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2 top players have agreed to come to the crows :thumbsu:
Just received some info, maybe top is a little overboard but 2 players the crows wanted have agreed to come.
Given i specifically asked about updates on bellch, lycett, polec, betts, gorringe, im assuming its 2 of them.




Let's assume that the first one is Betts. And a line goes through Gorringe. And if Polec wants to go to Port then a line through him as well. (if he is the second one he would have nominated us). That leaves Lycett (but previous rumour that Wet Toast won't deal with us directly) and possibly Bellchambers. Is the second one The GWS player - was it Edwards ( I think?).

Who else is could the second one be? (Or even the first if it wasn't Betts?)
 

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Thats a bit of a generic question.... How do you know that any player is going to have skills good enough for AFL:confused: dont know what you're trying to get at???

But he was rated extremely highly as a youngster and thats shown by his pick 5 status. Ive seen him play for brisbane and he certainly does have a great kick on him with some exciting pace. You dont exactly forget how to play AFL overnight....

I think his downfall has been his injury history, combined with a very poor mental state leading to poor work ethic, not his ability.
What I'm getting at his he has shown precious little to warrant a) a big pay packet and b) finding a good 2nd round pick
 

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The Crows have 3 glaring deficiencies, small forward, outside mid and second ruck.

Now we've got the chance to definitely fix the small forward role with a quality player.
We've got the chance to go for an outside quick mid who hasn't made it yet, but neither do draft picks.

We also have no early picks and we've got a shit load of cash to spend, it's a no brainer isn't it?
 

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What I'm getting at his he has shown precious little to warrant a) a big pay packet and b) finding a good 2nd round pick

Im not one advocating that though. I definitely wouldnt give up a 2nd rounder for him at this stage, and id only throw enough money at him in order for him to choose adelaide over what port are offering.
 
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I understand where you are coming from but it's never a players preference to go to the PSD. Kurt would have expected us to do the trade given the clause.

If its a borderline decision for him us or Port and he knew he could guaranteed get to Port who do you think he will choose? We have to be his preferred choice by far.

The Smaller Warrior believes he's already chosen Port
We may as well just give up now as we won't win that bidding game.
 

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Let's assume that the first one is Betts. And a line goes through Gorringe. And if Polec wants to go to Port then a line through him as well. (if he is the second one he would have nominated us). That leaves Lycett (but previous rumour that Wet Toast won't deal with us directly) and possibly Bellchambers. Is the second one The GWS player - was it Edwards ( I think?).

Who else is could the second one be? (Or even the first if it wasn't Betts?)

What if the 2nd player is indeed Polec and hes already accepted the Crows offer, therefore coming out and saying that he has quit Brisbane?:confused:

But in terms of your actual question, i have no idea hahaha:p im praying to god its Bellchambers though...
 

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If we want him, we need to pay him overs. If he is worth $240,000 we should be offering him $350,000 and making him pick us.

Take port out if the game with the pay packet.
Look, the principle of what you say makes perfect sense, Alex.

My problem with Polec is this. He and Smith were WWT team-mates at the time of being drafted 3 years ago. Smith looked like being a very good player, and his progress is exactly what it should be to achieve that. Polec on the other hand looked like being a match-winning lightning quick outside mid. He was the one I dreamt of Adelaide getting but of course he went too early.

3 years later and a heap of injuries later and we're really none the wiser as to what this lad will be at AFL level. He's played 16 games - 1 this year - averaging 12 disposals over those 16 games.

Is he one of those whose career never really gets off the ground because of constant soft tissue injuries? Will he ever achieve the level that he promised before being drafted due to both injury and lack of development?

Given these unknowns, what is he actually worth? That's my dilemma. I like your principle of offering more than Port to compensate for the fact that Trigg's idiocy has left us fighting a bidding war with one hand tied behind our backs. However, will he be worth what we might have to pay?

I would like to have him as part of our club, but if we have to pay a high financial inducement for us to be his preference, how much of a risk is he and is this the best use of our monies?
 

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The Crows have 3 glaring deficiencies, small forward, outside mid and second ruck.

Now we've got the chance to definitely fix the small forward role with a quality player.
We've got the chance to go for an outside quick mid who hasn't made it yet, but neither do draft picks.

We also have no early picks and we've got a shit load of cash to spend, it's a no brainer isn't it?
Don't worry, Brendon Sanderson got it covered. He will get the recruits in their positions and we will find out.

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Look, the principle of what you say makes perfect sense, Alex.

My problem with Polec is this. He and Smith were WWT team-mates at the time of being drafted 3 years ago. Smith looked like being a very good player, and his progress is exactly what it should be to achieve that. Polec on the other hand looked like being a match-winning lightning quick outside mid. He was the one I dreamt of Adelaide getting but of course he went too early.

3 years later and a heap of injuries later and we're really none the wiser as to what this lad will be at AFL level. He's played 16 games - 1 this year - averaging 12 disposals over those 16 games.

Is he one of those whose career never really gets off the ground because of constant soft tissue injuries? Will he ever achieve the level that he promised before being drafted due to both injury and lack of development?

Given these unknowns, what is he actually worth? That's my dilemma. I like your principle of offering more than Port to compensate for the fact that Trigg's idiocy has left us fighting a bidding war with one hand tied behind our backs. However, will he be worth what we might have to pay?

I would like to have him as part of our club, but if we have to pay a high financial inducement for us to be his preference, how much of a risk is he and is this the best use of our monies?
It's a chicken and egg situation.

If we don't offer him overs and he doesn't pick a club, Basically leaving it up to the Lions to get him to an Adelaide club - we lose as port can out bid us.

If he picks port based on an equal monetary bid and ends up being a gun, we will kick ourself.

I think its as simple as, high risk, (hopefully) high reward.
 

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A lot of concern about getting players for cheap and obviously keeping the cap room for existing players is priority but I really think we should be more concerned about getting the right players and if it costs a little to get them over here and we can front load it then łets do it.

I think the main thing is not if we are paying more than other clubs are willing to but if we are paying what they are worth to us.

Other teams might have similar players so a Betts might only offer them a small percentage gain, we get him and he is probably replacing 2 players who are doing that role part time. Which makes him worth more to us than them.

That goes for everyone we look to bring in this year, I don't see our list being in the stage where we should go after anyone we can, the list is good, it's just a few positions we can greatly improve with genuine talent.

Oh and let's definently not go after 30 year olds who may or may not be able to squeeze one or two more years out, that's for clubs who finish the year top 3 or 4 and look like doing it again but have a weakness, not clubs on their way.
 

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If that's Hendo's value, polec is a 4th round.
I would be stoked with St Kildas 2nd round pick! That's almost into the "first round" once the bomber/crow sanctions are enforced.

And I agree, I'd be giving up a high 3rd for Polec. Injury prone.
 

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I think you may find North Melbourne are sniffing around Betts with a rather sizable offer.
Them too. Now that Martin is supposedly staying at Richmond, Collingwood have moved onto Betts as well. So it'll be a 3 horse race between Adelaide, North and Collingwood, with Carlton the big unknown.
 

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Look, the principle of what you say makes perfect sense, Alex.

My problem with Polec is this. He and Smith were WWT team-mates at the time of being drafted 3 years ago. Smith looked like being a very good player, and his progress is exactly what it should be to achieve that. Polec on the other hand looked like being a match-winning lightning quick outside mid. He was the one I dreamt of Adelaide getting but of course he went too early.

3 years later and a heap of injuries later and we're really none the wiser as to what this lad will be at AFL level. He's played 16 games - 1 this year - averaging 12 disposals over those 16 games.

Is he one of those whose career never really gets off the ground because of constant soft tissue injuries? Will he ever achieve the level that he promised before being drafted due to both injury and lack of development?

Given these unknowns, what is he actually worth? That's my dilemma. I like your principle of offering more than Port to compensate for the fact that Trigg's idiocy has left us fighting a bidding war with one hand tied behind our backs. However, will he be worth what we might have to pay?

I would like to have him as part of our club, but if we have to pay a high financial inducement for us to be his preference, how much of a risk is he and is this the best use of our monies?
Every team has one or two severely overpaid players! We are no exception! Is Tambling worth the $300-350k he is getting? Of course not! Was Jacobs worth 3 year $1 million deal when we got him from Carlton? Not in a million years but he proved to be down the track!

The point is, you win some and you lose some but you can only be a winner if you try! The only way we can get players now is via free agency or severely overpaying a player that is high risk, high reward talent! We don't have any picks to trade nor do we have tradeable assets (i.e. those that are worth a lot on the market and we are willing to lose)
 

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If we would have to pay big overs to get polec through the PSD I'd rather hold off and build a war chest for Gibbs next year or Aish the year after. Sure polec is an outside mid and used to have a beautiful kick back at WWT, but he's also injured 50% of the time and can't break into Brisbane's first 22 the rest of the time. Cheap or not at all.

Certainly not worth a pissing contest with port. Give Sloaney a wing and Smith the other... I can't see Polec paying off for a season or two anyway, by which time we could probably do better.
 

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A lot of concern about getting players for cheap and obviously keeping the cap room for existing players is priority but I really think we should be more concerned about getting the right players and if it costs a little to get them over here and we can front load it then łets do it.

I think the main thing is not if we are paying more than other clubs are willing to but if we are paying what they are worth to us.

Other teams might have similar players so a Betts might only offer them a small percentage gain, we get him and he is probably replacing 2 players who are doing that role part time. Which makes him worth more to us than them.

That goes for everyone we look to bring in this year, I don't see our list being in the stage where we should go after anyone we can, the list is good, it's just a few positions we can greatly improve with genuine talent.

Oh and let's definently not go after 30 year olds who may or may not be able to squeeze one or two more years out, that's for clubs who finish the year top 3 or 4 and look like doing it again but have a weakness, not clubs on their way.

THIS is what people need to remember.

Just ask yourself, how often do you find yourself in a situation where you have no high draft picks at all and needing to a recruit a small forward/outside midfielder, and then players like Betts and Polec come knocking at your door. The opportunity is there for us to grab some serious talent, and we have the money so why not. Obviously with Polec there is a lot more risk involved, but he fits our clubs desire to an absolute T.

In saying that though i wouldnt be moving heaven and earth to get a player like Polec. Id definitely go toe to toe with Carlton/North/Pies for Betts though.

Id still be pushing very hard to bring in a player like Polec and give him a significantly better offer than what port are offering. Yes hes a risk, but he is also young and has his whole career ahead of him still. The rest of our list is also very young and it would be great to have him develop with the rest of them all at once. If we can grab Polec in the PSD even if he doesnt turn out like we hoped and does fail to make it, it wouldnt be a huge loss. Its money that we would have had to spend anyway most likely. Trading him for a high draft pick is a different scenario, but offering him quite a substantial pay packet despite him showing little isnt too big of a deal right now for crows with the money we have available.

Like i said, draft picks are something that youd want to get right, where as the money is a thing we'd have to spend anyways and given the crows situation and serious need for outside midfielders, a player like polec is someone im willing to take a risk on.

Ohh and that last bit, cant believe some of the things people are suggesting on here. We have a very young and up and coming list, with no high draft picks. 30 year old has beens is exactly NOT who you want to be taking on. As a coach, maybe. As a player, NO.
 

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Every team has one or two severely overpaid players! We are no exception! Is Tambling worth the $300-350k he is getting? Of course not! Was Jacobs worth 3 year $1 million deal when we got him from Carlton? Not in a million years but he proved to be down the track!

The point is, you win some and you lose some but you can only be a winner if you try! The only way we can get players now is via free agency or severely overpaying a player that is high risk, high reward talent! We don't have any picks to trade nor do we have tradeable assets (i.e. those that are worth a lot on the market and we are willing to lose)
Exactly especially when we should have a heap of spare cash
 
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