List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion Part II

[SumTingWong]

After listening to what Richardson had to say about our focus this off season and the likelihood that our interest in Greenwood has waned to the point that we're not going after him, I'd like to see us explore the following.

Trade - I know Richo said everyone was happy and wants to stay, but I can't help but feel that McDonough might look at moving back home for more opportunity, I mean if we were going to keep him then surely we would have signed him already. So a trade to Adelaide for their second round pick is something I'd like to get back for him. So McDonough for pick 30

That would give us picks 12, 30, 32, 49, 66 & 83. With those picks here is how I'd draft:

12. Liam Duggan 183cm 76kg Defender/Midfielder
Kid who can slot into a HBF to start off with and then work into the midfield. Brings speed and skill.

30. Nakia Cockatoo 188cm 84kg Defender/Midfielder
Like Duggan above another who can initially slot into a HBF role before working his way into the midfield. I know he is the current hype player and many think he'll go higher than this, but his lack of exposure this year might see him only climb into the middle second round.

32. Connor Blakely 186cm 81kg Midfielder
A kid who has played against men already who could be ready to go from round 1. An inside/outside type. See him as a forward first rotating through the middle.

49. Nathan Drummond 181cm 85kg Utillity
Overaged kid who like Blakely could play early on. Possesses good skills as well as a mix of speed and endurance. Played VFL for us this year.

66. Dean Gore 183cm 86kg Midfielder
A kid who isn't showing up in many Phantoms at the moment, but was early in the year. Comes across as a hard at it inside midfielder who wins contested footy and when he doesn't have it likes to crunch opponents who do have it. Like Blakely has played against men already so gives us another ready made option.

83. Anthony Miles (rookie promotion)

Again this is based on my interpretation of what Richardson has said in the press this week and how we want to improve our midfield depth. With the above we certainly improve on our midfield stocks. The bonus being that all of them would be capable of playing from early next year. It would also mean that we get to use the rookie draft to take a few project KPP types and maybe the odd mature aged player from the state leagues or delisted types.

1. Where did you get the impression our interest in Greenwood has waned? In the interview Dan gave on Trade Radio he seemed very interested. And the rumours are that we have actually tabled an offer. So how you have come to your conclusion is baffling to say the least
2. No way Dean Gore lasts until 66.
3. No way Drummond is a better player than Gore

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

I can't fathom how Gore isn't in that many Phantoms. He should be off the board by 30.

Drummond is injury prone and an ordinary kick. Can't see him being on our radar.

I think our 3rd rounder should be used on a classy small forward to put at the feet of our talls. Particularly if we play 3 of them.

I suspect he will be. He reminds me a little of Vlastuin though not as tough and average skills.

 

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I can't fathom how Gore isn't in that many Phantoms. He should be off the board by 30.

Drummond is injury prone and an ordinary kick. Can't see him being on our radar.

I think our 3rd rounder should be used on a classy small forward to put at the feet of our talls. Particularly if we play 3 of them.

Drummond scored 26/30 in the kicking test at combine from memory, can't be that bad of a kick.

Dont just assume from a media report that we aren't into Levi anymore.

Not based solely on what the media have said, but also what people away from the media have said. We had a crack at him but when Pies & Dogs got involved we cooled our interest as we don't want to get into a bidding way.

1. Where did you get the impression our interest in Greenwood has waned? In the interview Dan gave on Trade Radio he seemed very interested. And the rumours are that we have actually tabled an offer. So how you have come to your conclusion is baffling to say the least
2. No way Dean Gore lasts until 66.
3. No way Drummond is a better player than Gore

Richo spoke on Trade Week Radio Wednesday/Thursday and as I said above we were interested, but now others with better picks than we're willing to give up are involved we've cooled on the chase. If he picks us it might be different, but for now I think we're happy to go to the draft.

Basing the Gore ratings on how he seems to have fallen of the radar of the phantom draft writers. He might be ranked higher by those who actually do the drafting. Given my ratings are based on what I read from those who do get to watch the kids, that's all I can go off.

 

[tigs2010]

The kicking test is the most pointless test there is. They just go through the motions under no pressure and don't have to make the decision for themselves.

 

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The kicking test is the most pointless test there is. They just go through the motions under no pressure and don't have to make the decision for themselves.

I don't know what to say other than when I watched him at Punt Rd his kicking was good enough to get the job done.

 

[FootyIcon4]

A couple of questions for those who've followed this years draft:

Is the current consensus that Ahern will be gone before our pick? And Connor Menadues highlights entice nicely, what's the word on the rest of his game and would it be too much of a reach with our first pick?

 

[thetradesman]

A friend of mine is Paul Ahern's cousin and seems to think he will go top 10.

 

[Ciderhound]

looks increasingly likely we will take him with our first pick. Anyone seen him play? Is he worth it?

 

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2014 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

3km time trial (minutes : seconds)
Jack Hiscox 9:18
Tom Lamb 9:45
Alex Neal-Bullen 9:54
Billy Stretch 9:57
Nathan Drummond 9:59
Josh Deluca-Cardillo 10:07
Daniel McKenzie 10:07
Connor Menadue 10:07
Liam Duggan 10:11
Jack Steele 10:11

Beep test/shuttle run (level)
Caleb Daniel 16.1
Jack Hiscox 16.1
Nathan Drummond 15.9
Tom Lamb 15.5
Ed Langdon 15.3
Jarrod Garlett 15.2
Alex Neal-Bullen 15.2
Jason Castagna 15.2
Billy Stretch 15.1
Jack Steele 15.1
Jordan Cunico 14.12
Christian Petracca 14.12

Kicking test (score out of 30)
Nakia Cockatoo 29
Daniel Howe 28
Kyle Langford 28
Toby McLean 27
Michael Mattingly 27
Nathan Drummond 27
Dean Gore 27
Brett Eddy 27
Clem Smith 26
Liam Duggan 26
Brayden Maynard 26
Jack Steele 26
Ed Vickers-Willis 26
Mitch McGovern 26

Clean hands test (score out of 30)
Nathan Drummond 26
Paddy Brophy 26
Reece McKenzie 26
Tyler Keitel 26
Dougal Howard 26
Michael Mattingly 25
Brett Eddy 25
Caleb Daniel 25
Jake Johansen 25
Jarrod Garlett 25
Brydan Hodgson 25
Marc Pittonet 25
Liam Dawson 25
Jack Cripps 25

Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
Dean Gore 30
Keenan Ramsey 30
Nathan Drummond 25
Paddy Brophy 25
Michael Mattingly 25
Liam Dawson 25
Cory Gregson 25
Aidan Anderson 25
Dougal Howard 24
Jarrod Garlett 24
Jack Cripps 24
Bailey Dale 24
Declan Hamilton 24

20 metre sprint results (sec)
Marvin Baynham 2.81
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results (sec)
Clem Smith 8.09
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results (sec)
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

Standing vertical jump (cm)
Marvin Baynham 88
Jarrod Garlett 76
Nathan Drummond 76
Christian Petracca 74
Nakia Cockatoo 73
James Rose 73
Dean Gore 72
Nicholas Coughlan 72
Evan Bruinsma 72
Reece McKenzie 72
Tom Read 72

Running vertical jump (cm)
Evan Bruinsma 97
Marvin Baynham 95
Daniel McKenzie 94
Billy Gowers 93
Nathan Drummond 90
Nakia Cockatoo 89
Matthew Uebergang 87
Mitch McGovern 87
James Rose 87
Matthew Hammelmann 87

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

The kicking test is the most pointless test there is. They just go through the motions under no pressure and don't have to make the decision for themselves.

Agree, although the second place getter is a great kick tigs2010 .
Clean hands is also wank .
Not sure that the combine still has any real benefit TBH . Most of those present have been tested numerous times in the previous 12 months .

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Who is Jack Hiscox?
Is that a record over the 3km time trial? I love my endurance runners and really wanted Billy Hartung last season.
9:18 is very impressive.

Interesting that Caleb Daneil ran a 16.1 beep but couldnt keep under 10 mins in the 3km.

 

[Tigerbob]

Who is Jack Hiscox?
Is that a record over the 3km time trial? I love my endurance runners and really wanted Billy Hartung last season.
9:18 is very impressive.

Interesting that Caleb Daneil ran a 16.1 beep but couldnt keep under 10 mins in the 3km.

Sydney bound. Yes that was a record.

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Shane Nelson wins West Perths BnF.
Thats two years in a row now.

Won the BnF last season when West Perth went all the way.
Won it again this year.
Came second in the Sandover medal this season.
Leading possessions in the WAFL.

This kid can play and has earned his chance I believe. As a rookie I would definitely love to give him a shot.

http://www.wafootball.com.au/news/7...breckler-medal-as-west-perth-fairest-and-best

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Sydney bound. Yes that was a record.

Academy?
My best was 9:39, 9:18 is ****ing impressive.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

looks increasingly likely we will take him with our first pick. Anyone seen him play? Is he worth it?

That is interesting, where did you here we will be taking him ?. Most of the drafts rate him in the 10-15 bracket.

 

[Stylo]

looks increasingly likely we will take him with our first pick. Anyone seen him play? Is he worth it?

Where'd you hear that? Don't mind him but there are others I'd prefer. Then again I thought the same about Ellis.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Where'd you hear that? Don't mind him but there are others I'd prefer. Then again I thought the same about Ellis.

Haven't seen a lot of him play but after reading some of the draft boards it looks like he has a December birthday and a fair bit of talent to work with.

 

[TigerTime3]

The #9, the haircut, and the hunch/desperation are uncanny. I don't follow the U18s but anyone who looks like our #9 is off to a good start

 

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

He looks fairly useless to me

 

[theflea]

Drummond scored 26/30 in the kicking test at combine from memory, can't be that bad of a kick.


Not based solely on what the media have said, but also what people away from the media have said. We had a crack at him but when Pies & Dogs got involved we cooled our interest as we don't want to get into a bidding way.

Richo spoke on Trade Week Radio Wednesday/Thursday and as I said above we were interested, but now others with better picks than we're willing to give up are involved we've cooled on the chase. If he picks us it might be different, but for now I think we're happy to go to the draft.

Basing the Gore ratings on how he seems to have fallen of the radar of the phantom draft writers. He might be ranked higher by those who actually do the drafting. Given my ratings are based on what I read from those who do get to watch the kids, that's all I can go off.

Well is still disagree as we haven't even started trade week yet to actually get into a bidding war. If he wants to play with his mate dusty at a good pay rise on what he was offered, he may just go to the club who was interested in the first place, but I guess we will wait and see.

 

[theflea]

Who is Jack Hiscox?
Is that a record over the 3km time trial? I love my endurance runners and really wanted Billy Hartung last season.
9:18 is very impressive.

Interesting that Caleb Daneil ran a 16.1 beep but couldnt keep under 10 mins in the 3km.

Just as an aside, the new world record holder for the marathon averaged 9.03 for a 3 k block over the whole 42k...............

 

[Grockadoc]

Nathan Drummond top 5 in Beep Test, 3k Time Trial, Repeat Sprints, Standing and Running Vertical Jumps. Top 10 in the 20 meter sprint as well.

Wanted him last year and would love him this year. Is quick and has good endurance as well. Would be an upgrade on a few best 22 at the moment such as Grigg, Newman and Foley.

Wouldn't be against Baynham as an International rookie either.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Nathan Drummond top 5 in Beep Test, 3k Time Trial, Repeat Sprints, Standing and Running Vertical Jumps. Top 10 in the 20 meter sprint as well.

Wanted him last year and would love him this year. Is quick and has good endurance as well. Would be an upgrade on a few best 22 at the moment such as Grigg, Newman and Foley.

Wouldn't be against Baynham as an International rookie either.

Appears to be rated somewhere between our first and second .

 

[Croat tiger]

He looks fairly useless to me

Turns the ball over regularly, no thanks don't need those types.

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

Turns the ball over regularly, no thanks don't need those types.

That's right, we have enough already.