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Suns could do worse as a bit of depth at the very least by getting him onboard. Not AFL experience, but so much local league experience counts for something. Mature body and experience with the young list could help.
 
Yeah, prelim not GF. Although Clayton got 3 goals he was not named in the best and neither were Roos or Brayshaw. Roos had more of the ball with 17 handball receives but Brayshaw had a very quiet game stats wise.
 

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WhiteLionFeva said:
Yeah, prelim not GF. Although Clayton got 3 goals he was not named in the best and neither were Roos or Brayshaw. Roos had more of the ball with 17 handball receives but Brayshaw had a very quiet game stats wise.
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Brayshaw being quiet might explain why he dropped to 6 in Knightmare's mock draft. Still has us picking Wright at 4 but I'd take Brayshaw any day of the week if he was available.
 
blueiris said:
Me too I'd even take Brayshaw in front of Dayne Beams
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As much as I like that players such as Beams & Ryder are being mentioned in the same breath as Brisbane, I'm actually more excited to build from within over the next 2-3 years and add youngsters such as Brayshaw. And Hammelmann. And Dawson. And Clayton. And Keays.

But I do like Beams :cool:
 
I would be quite surprised if we used our second rounder on an academy player unless someone really improves. A team would have to bid a first rounder or an early second. Saying that, if we have picks 4 or 5 and our second rounder, IMO we should go best available at both picks. We would fill a position with almost every F/S and Academy pick. Dawson - HB, Hammelman - KPF, Andrews - KPD/RUCK and Clayton - HFF.
 

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Saints won't look twice and will snap up Petracca.

Melbourne desperately need a midfielder, that would be Brayshaw, who is the next-best mid after Petracca.

GWS are the surprise packets. They really don't need any more tall timber. 94581923 tall players is enough.

If the drafting goes to plan for the first three picks, we could end up with the best player in the draft (McCartin) with our pick four. Win!

Although, GWS could go full greedy and take McCartin, give him a few games, drop him then dish him off to some other team in a few years.
 
bato said:
Saints won't look twice and will snap up Petracca.

Melbourne desperately need a midfielder, that would be Brayshaw, who is the next-best mid after Petracca.

GWS are the surprise packets. They really don't need any more tall timber. 94581923 tall players is enough.

If the drafting goes to plan for the first three picks, we could end up with the best player in the draft (McCartin) with our pick four. Win!

Although, GWS could go full greedy and take McCartin, give him a few games, drop him then dish him off to some other team in a few years.
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I can't see McCartin go after Melb or Saints. Melbourne might want a forward after Clarke left and Saints need one when Reiwolt leaves.
 
a mayes ing said:
I can't see McCartin go after Melb or Saints. Melbourne might want a forward after Clarke left and Saints need one when Reiwolt leaves.
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Hmm, thought I read Riewoldt has a few more in him. Lenny Hayes is gone, so they might want to replace him right away with someone like Petracca.

Not sure about Melbourne. They have Jamar, Dawes and Watts as their talls. Very capable of holding their own I think.

Roos said they'd be chasing a midfielder. Bail, Vince and Cross in the midfield, then there's Nathan Jones and Tyson. Wouldn't be the worst idea to have some depth in the midfield, considering someone like McKenzie is unable to cement his spot in the 22.

With all that being said, apparently GWS and Saints are looking to work out some sort of deal. They might want to trade with St Kilda just to get Petracca.

It could end up looking something like this:

St Kilda - McCartin, Jaksch + another player

Melbourne - Brayshaw

GWS - Petracca (get pick 1 from Saints for Petracca)

Lions - Wright

Could also be a massive plot twist if the Dees end up with pick three as well.
 
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If I were a St Kilda supporter, I'd be enormously hoping that they'd take Petracca. Most agree that he's the best talent in the draft, and they are crying out for a new midfield. Adding Petracca to Billings and Dunstan suddenly starts to show some talent and some hope, and they already have Stanley and White as key forward prospects. Neither could turn out to be long term players, but I think if I were a Saints supporter I'd be desperately hoping the club tried to address the lack of class through the middle before even beginning to worry about the lack of a key forward.

As for the Dees, with Dawes and Hogan I'm not sure they'd need another key forward over a midfielder like Brayshaw, but who knows? GWS have been a bit of a surprise packet with their drafting in the early picks at times, and with Patton, Boyd, Cameron and McCarthy, I can't imagine they'd look at McCartin as a player they need.

I think there really is every chance that McCartin is available at pick 4 - the hurdle, though, is that I don't think we'll have pick 4 (or a top ten pick at all) once the trade period is done.
 
PattyKwasagun said:
If I were a St Kilda supporter, I'd be enormously hoping that they'd take Petracca. Most agree that he's the best talent in the draft, and they are crying out for a new midfield. Adding Petracca to Billings and Dunstan suddenly starts to show some talent and some hope, and they already have Stanley and White as key forward prospects. Neither could turn out to be long term players, but I think if I were a Saints supporter I'd be desperately hoping the club tried to address the lack of class through the middle before even beginning to worry about the lack of a key forward.

As for the Dees, with Dawes and Hogan I'm not sure they'd need another key forward over a midfielder like Brayshaw, but who knows? GWS have been a bit of a surprise packet with their drafting in the early picks at times, and with Patton, Boyd, Cameron and McCarthy, I can't imagine they'd look at McCartin as a player they need.

I think there really is every chance that McCartin is available at pick 4 - the hurdle, though, is that I don't think we'll have pick 4 (or a top ten pick at all) once the trade period is done.
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Agree with everything you've written. Fully expect the Giants and Saints package deal to go through though. Sam McClure who is a sports reporter for 3AW (and posts on BigFooty from time to time) has said that both clubs will likely go through with it if the picks stay as they are.

I'm sure most Saints fans would rather McCartin + two players over just Petracca. Would be a win-win for both them and the Giants, whilst clubs like the Lions and the Dogs have to sit back and cop it.
 
PattyKwasagun said:
If I were a St Kilda supporter, I'd be enormously hoping that they'd take Petracca. Most agree that he's the best talent in the draft, and they are crying out for a new midfield. Adding Petracca to Billings and Dunstan suddenly starts to show some talent and some hope, and they already have Stanley and White as key forward prospects. Neither could turn out to be long term players, but I think if I were a Saints supporter I'd be desperately hoping the club tried to address the lack of class through the middle before even beginning to worry about the lack of a key forward.

As for the Dees, with Dawes and Hogan I'm not sure they'd need another key forward over a midfielder like Brayshaw, but who knows? GWS have been a bit of a surprise packet with their drafting in the early picks at times, and with Patton, Boyd, Cameron and McCarthy, I can't imagine they'd look at McCartin as a player they need.

I think there really is every chance that McCartin is available at pick 4 - the hurdle, though, is that I don't think we'll have pick 4 (or a top ten pick at all) once the trade period is done.
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You think we'll get Beams?? or were you just showing your fustration through angry sacarasm[emoji15]
 

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QLDatHEART said:
You think we'll get Beams?? or were you just showing your fustration through angry sacarasm[emoji15]
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Definitely one of those options ;)
 
PattyKwasagun said:
If I were a St Kilda supporter, I'd be enormously hoping that they'd take Petracca. Most agree that he's the best talent in the draft, and they are crying out for a new midfield. Adding Petracca to Billings and Dunstan suddenly starts to show some talent and some hope, and they already have Stanley and White as key forward prospects. Neither could turn out to be long term players, but I think if I were a Saints supporter I'd be desperately hoping the club tried to address the lack of class through the middle before even beginning to worry about the lack of a key forward.

As for the Dees, with Dawes and Hogan I'm not sure they'd need another key forward over a midfielder like Brayshaw, but who knows? GWS have been a bit of a surprise packet with their drafting in the early picks at times, and with Patton, Boyd, Cameron and McCarthy, I can't imagine they'd look at McCartin as a player they need.

I think there really is every chance that McCartin is available at pick 4 - the hurdle, though, is that I don't think we'll have pick 4 (or a top ten pick at all) once the trade period is done.
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St Kilda could take any number of players and it will meet a need on their list. They are in bad shape. If anything, inside midfielders are a comparative strength of theirs (ie compared to some areas of their list!). The have Armitage and Steven as established mids. And last year they recruited Dunstan and Acres with high draft picks. Not completely awful.

It is true that their talls aren't great as well. Other than in the ruck, they could do with some class at both ends of the ground IMO.

I tend to think that, due to the state of their list, St Kilda can afford to simply take the player who they think is going to be the best footballer. I don't think they need to worry too much about need. If that happens to be Petracca, it obviously increases the chance that McCartin slips. One advantage of Petracca might be that he is forward capable and so could potentially fill a hole in two alternative roles, which increases the flexibility of their list management.

In terms of Melbourne, I think their list could do with Wright and probably McCartin. But Roos has always been a "build a midfield" coach and Brayshaw has a lot going for him in terms of fitting the Roos mould.
 
POBT said:
St Kilda could take any number of players and it will meet a need on their list. They are in bad shape. If anything, inside midfielders are a comparative strength of theirs (ie compared to some areas of their list!). The have Armitage and Steven as established mids. And last year they recruited Dunstan and Acres with high draft picks. Not completely awful.

It is true that their talls aren't great as well. Other than in the ruck, they could do with some class at both ends of the ground IMO.

I tend to think that, due to the state of their list, St Kilda can afford to simply take the player who they think is going to be the best footballer. I don't think they need to worry too much about need. If that happens to be Petracca, it obviously increases the chance that McCartin slips. One advantage of Petracca might be that he is forward capable and so could potentially fill a hole in two alternative roles, which increases the flexibility of their list management.

In terms of Melbourne, I think their list could do with Wright and probably McCartin. But Roos has always been a "build a midfield" coach and Brayshaw has a lot going for him in terms of fitting the Roos mould.
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I'd be taking a key forward in their position. They're going to be down there for a while and will have other opportunities to pick up quality mids- may as well give whichever key forward they pick up more time to develop.
 

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