2014 Draft Discussion

[John_Proctor]

Just to follow up. Look at the age of our list and in particular triple r and leuenberger. We want to be good from 2016-2019 to get triple r in high quality teams at 26-30. Means aside from needing a kpf now to replace brown. We need one now so that after 3-4 years in the system they'll be ready to contribute beside our best players in the prime of their career.

To early to write off Paine who's only played 11 games himself and is 20/21.

 

[TheZork]

Just to follow up. Look at the age of our list and in particular triple r and leuenberger. We want to be good from 2016-2019 to get triple r in high quality teams at 26-30. Means aside from needing a kpf now to replace brown. We need one now so that after 3-4 years in the system they'll be ready to contribute beside our best players in the prime of their career.

To early to write off Paine who's only played 11 games himself and is 20/21.

But what concerns me is that he has nothing to offer but a big body forcing a contest, he's not quick, agile, he's undersized and doesn't have a particularly good set shot or mark. I don't have anything against him by the way, but I just don't see him lining up for us in the future.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Obviously KPF is what we are desperate for but if we wend with a later pick due to a run of good form we might need to draft best available.

 

[TheZork]

Obviously KPF is what we are desperate for but if we wend with a later pick due to a run of good form we might need to draft best available.

Yeah if none of those 4 were at pick 5,6,7 we'd at least get the best midfielder, you take the best player available and dont muck around with 1st round picks. Then we'll just have to draft a tall later

 

[irel]

But what concerns me is that he has nothing to offer but a big body forcing a contest, he's not quick, agile, he's undersized and doesn't have a particularly good set shot or mark. I don't have anytime against him by the way, but I just don't see him lining up for us in the future.

You may be too young to know but this is exactly what was said about Bradshaw in his early years at the Lions. By the end of Bradshaw's career he become the quintessential third tall utility forward/back-man. Also playing key positions in the hour of need. Paine shows all the elements of Bradshaw's versatility. It would not escape Leppa's notice the value of developing another versatile big bodied utility.

Paine's best value to the team would be when the full focus in the forward half of the ground is given to our two KP's. At the moment we don't have them. We have Brown holding one position because there is no other option. If we can recruit trade at least one KP forward who can replace Brown and develop Close as the other, Paine would be critical in a premiership strong team.
Personally I expect big things from Payne. But it would take time, because we are missing vital pieces of the jigsaw.

 

[TheZork]

You may be too young to know but this is exactly what was said about Bradshaw in his early years at the Lions. By the end of Bradshaw's career he become the quintessential third tall utility forward/back-man. Also playing key positions in the hour of need. Paine shows all the elements of Bradshaw's versatility. It would not escape Leppa's notice the value of developing another versatile big bodied utility.

Paine's best value to the team would be when the full focus in the forward half of the ground is given to our two KP's. At the moment we don't have them. We have Brown holding one position because there is no other option. If we can recruit trade at least one KP forward who can replace Brown and develop Close as the other, Paine would be critical in a premiership strong team.
Personally I expect big things from Payne. But it would take time, because we are missing vital pieces of the jigsaw.

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but how many of the good forwards have none of the attributes (in their early years) that I talked about? not many I imagine. Yeah occasionally there will be one or two like Bradshaw, but more often than not, it shows in their early years if they can be an elite afl player.

 

[dlanod]

After the past 2 wins I thought instead of having a forum for pick 1, we should have one for picks 4-6, which we are now likely to end up with (only if we can beat GWS though). There are 4 key position players that will all be likely picked in the top 5 or 6: Sam Durdin, Peter Wright, Patrick McCartin and Hugh Goddard.
Personally for me its out of McCartin and Goddard, as Wright is 203cm and not a natural forward (he's plays 50% of games in the ruck) while Durdin is best suited as a key defender.
But I'd like to know what views other people have towards these 4 players

We've already got this existing thread for picks 4-6.

Pick 1 is more a philosophical question.

 

[TheZork]

I dont know if anyone agrees but this is my ideal plan for the rest of the year. Firstly we need a good fixture for next year, so finishing 13th would place us in the bottom six bracket (I obviously want us to do as well as possible every game but anything more than 12th/13th is unrealistic). Then we get pick 6 and get a key forward out of Wright, McCartin, Goddard and Durdin (they all appear to be about the same as no one has put their hand up)

We've already got this existing thread for picks 4-6.

Pick 1 is more a philosophical question.

Haha maybe now, but at the time I think people were pretty adamant we'd be in the bottom few teams and have access to these key forwards, now we might not. But fair point, I forgot about this existing thread, I just made one to replace the "wooden spoon" thread

 

[carnthemlions]

You may be too young to know but this is exactly what was said about Bradshaw in his early years at the Lions. By the end of Bradshaw's career he become the quintessential third tall utility forward/back-man. Also playing key positions in the hour of need. Paine shows all the elements of Bradshaw's versatility. It would not escape Leppa's notice the value of developing another versatile big bodied utility.

Paine's best value to the team would be when the full focus in the forward half of the ground is given to our two KP's. At the moment we don't have them. We have Brown holding one position because there is no other option. If we can recruit trade at least one KP forward who can replace Brown and develop Close as the other, Paine would be critical in a premiership strong team.
Personally I expect big things from Payne. But it would take time, because we are missing vital pieces of the jigsaw.

I don't share you optimism. Paine's effort is good, but I can't see him being more than a stop-gap measure.

 

[jjami15]

I see us ending up with pick 3/4 and I thought that from last year when the scheduling was put out. From this far out their will be some more players to stand up and others to slide I hope and we see this every year. My main concern is GWS and St Kilda and their needs. GWS could go Durdin or if Wright is seen as a pure ruckman they could also take him. St Kilda are in the market, as we are, for a KPF and this is my worry that they would be all over McCartin. In a perfect scenario for me personally, GWS - Durdin, St Kilda - Wright, Lions - McCartin. However as stated before it's along way out. My other concern is the supposed lack of elite talent and the top end but this year supposedly bats deep with an even spread and hopefully with our second we get another good player, with Dawson to go third round.

 

[cotter101]

If McCartin or Wright were not available with our first round pick, I'd be either trading our first rounder or picking a midfielder with it. I simply don't rate the others highly enough or I don't think they are exactly what we need. But then where do we get our next genuine KPF from? I feel if we are planning to draft one, we have to nab one this year.

 

[Dom PC]

We could do worse than to pick up the best midfielder in this year's draft. An average KPF in Cam Mooney was an AA forward thanks to that great midfield Geelong had. It didn't stop them winning a premiership or two.

 

[dlanod]

If McCartin or Wright were not available with our first round pick, I'd be either trading our first rounder or picking a midfielder with it. I simply don't rate the others highly enough or I don't think they are exactly what we need. But then where do we get our next genuine KPF from? I feel if we are planning to draft one, we have to nab one this year.

I don't think it's the end of the world if we take a Goddard-type player. Yeah he's not highly rated on here, but he's still got that ability to play as a KPF... He just might take a bit longer.

 

[cotter101]

I don't think it's the end of the world if we take a Goddard-type player. Yeah he's not highly rated on here, but he's still got that ability to play as a KPF... He just might take a bit longer.

He can certainly play as a KPF. I just don't see him becoming that power forward we sorely need. Arguably a better defender than he is a forward. I'd sooner take Maynard than I would Goddard.

Maynard is going to be a star.

 

[Dylan12]

Considering the plethora of tall forwards GWS already have, for those in the know, is the expectation that they would take one of Wright, Durdin or McCartin?

If GWS were to take the best mid or rather not one of the KPF I mentioned, there is obviously a good chance we could still get one of those KPF should we not finish above 15th.

 

[jjami15]

Considering the plethora of tall forwards GWS already have, for those in the know, is the expectation that they would take one of Wright, Durdin or McCartin?

If GWS were to take the best mid or rather not one of the KPF I mentioned, there is obviously a good chance we could still get one of those KPF should we not finish above 15th.

Durdin is more suited to CHB and has been described as Ben Reid type swing man than a true KPF. Their backline is the next area to complete.

GWS are going to be intesting this year in what they do. They have to reduce their list by two (I think) they have some young players coming out of contract who aren't getting a run. I expect them to be qute active trade time and who knows if they are willing to offer their first rounder up for something worthwhile. 3 (possible) spoons is not a good look god forbid if they got 4. They really need to bolster their best 22 with some bigger bodies who are very good players.

 

[dlanod]

GWS are going to be intesting this year in what they do. They have to reduce their list by two (I think) they have some young players coming out of contract who aren't getting a run. I expect them to be qute active trade time and who knows if they are willing to offer their first rounder up for something worthwhile. 3 (possible) spoons is not a good look god forbid if they got 4. They really need to bolster their best 22 with some bigger bodies who are very good players.

While their overall list size does reduce, they are already running two players below their maximum list size. As a result they only need to delist one person to take the minimum three draft picks/rookie upgrades. Chances are more than that will happen though, if only because Gilham and Hunt stink.

 

[cotter101]

Considering the plethora of tall forwards GWS already have, for those in the know, is the expectation that they would take one of Wright, Durdin or McCartin?

If GWS were to take the best mid or rather not one of the KPF I mentioned, there is obviously a good chance we could still get one of those KPF should we not finish above 15th.

I'd say they would take Durdin. They certainly need a defender so he fits right in.

 

[jjami15]

If Wright and McCartin are gone by our pick do we stretch for Keitel/Goddard or do we go next best player? If so who would that be? Brayshaw/Petracca/Pickett?

 

[POBT]

It is a bit early to be talking about players like that as "stretches". It wasn't that long ago that Goddard was mentioned as a possible #1.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Any chance we will consider Lever as a key back/swingman in the Ben Reid mould?

 

[KissKiss]

Any chance we will consider Lever as a key back/swingman in the Ben Reid mould?

Whilst I don't claim to be an expert I'd say we should avoid the swingman type (whether thats Lever, Durdin or Goddard). We have a lot of stop gap key fwds and none of them have really come on. If the top couple of more pure fwds are taken then you'd think we would be better off taking the best available mid. If we did go for a back I'd rather see them just play their natural position than try for another conversion that has less chance of succeeding

 

[Quigley]

I am looking forward to getting a look at Lamb. If we win a few more games he might be one to take a look at.

 

[Caiphus]

Any over-age players that were overlooked last year that are coming on? Anything happening with Darcy Hourigan and Cameron Conlon?

 

[cotter101]

If Wright and McCartin are gone by our pick do we stretch for Keitel/Goddard or do we go next best player? If so who would that be? Brayshaw/Petracca/Pickett?

I'm not sure how I feel with Keitel. Seems like he is quickly rising up the ranks though. But I'd rather grab someone like Maynard, Duggan or Petracca over Goddard.

I am looking forward to getting a look at Lamb. If we win a few more games he might be one to take a look at.

He would probably be someone to consider if one of the more highly rated Key Forwards weren't available at our first round pick. I think there are others I would probably choose over him though. You seem a fairly big fan of him?

Any over-age players that were overlooked last year that are coming on? Anything happening with Darcy Hourigan and Cameron Conlon?

Not sure what is happening with Conlon. Hourigan has played a couple of games in the SANFL reserves. His first game wasn't much but he stepped up in his second one. Probably not a chance to be picked up as it stands.