2014 Draft Discussion

[jjami15]

I'm not sure how I feel with Keitel. Seems like he is quickly rising up the ranks though. But I'd rather grab someone like Maynard, Duggan or Petracca over Goddard.

Petracca is someone for me who is standing up through the nationals and putting his hand up, making his mark and standing out. If he is to continue in the same vain then it will be very interesting. Look forward to seeing him play when they televise it. Also raised my eye brow when I read an article that he decribed himself as someone who models his game on Ollie Wines and Dustin Martin.

 

[jackess]

I don't think we necessarily need a key forward we just need a forward capable of kicking bags of goals every now and again. If he's a key forward then that's a bonus.

 

[cotter101]

I don't think we necessarily need a key forward we just need a forward capable of kicking bags of goals every now and again. If he's a key forward then that's a bonus.

I suppose we just need players who can kick multiple goals each week. But it would be handy to have a genuine tall target that the midfielders could kick to and we as fans could rely upon.

Petracca is someone for me who is standing up through the nationals and putting his hand up, making his mark and standing out. If he is to continue in the same vain then it will be very interesting. Look forward to seeing him play when they televise it. Also raised my eye brow when I read an article that he decribed himself as someone who models his game on Ollie Wines and Dustin Martin.

He has seriously improved his overall game this year. I've also seen a few people liken him to Martin in the sense that he is going to be seriously dangerous up forward or in the midfield which is true, but I've also seen people say he has the same speed and skill that Martin does, which is just plain wrong.

His endurance has been improving steadily which is a good sign for him.

 

[Devz15]

Mitch Thorp anyone?

 

[TheZork]

If the 4 talls are gone by our pick we should get Jarrod Pickett, absolute gun, 180cm and runs 20m in 2.81 seconds.

 

[sonofabeams]

I suppose we just need players who can kick multiple goals each week. But it would be handy to have a genuine tall target that the midfielders could kick to and we as fans could rely upon.



He has seriously improved his overall game this year. I've also seen a few people liken him to Martin in the sense that he is going to be seriously dangerous up forward or in the midfield which is true, but I've also seen people say he has the same speed and skill that Martin does, which is just plain wrong.

His endurance has been improving steadily which is a good sign for him.

Hey Man..If we win a few more games and we end up say pick 5, could we possibly pick Petracca and then hopefully nab a KPF with our next pick, One player I had in mind is C Marchbank pretty sure he has been playing back for Vic Country, but has played foward.

What other fowards if we dont pick one with our 1st pick should we be looking out for?

 

[Dylan12]

When is the 2015 Draft Discussion thread going to get going?

I'm guessing we will need to start discussing the merits of tanking in order to get the next white hope.

 

[jjami15]

When is the 2015 Draft Discussion thread going to get going?

I'm guessing we will need to start discussing the merits of tanking in order to get the next white hope.

I don't believe that anyone has stated the merits of 'tanking' or stated that we are or that we should. I can understand your frustrations with others who might be inclined to lose to finish lower down the draft to get a specific needs type player. There is however a narrative behind their motivations to attain the KPF that we have craved for since Clark and Henderson's departure and Brown's impending retirement has created. The club itself is highly aware of this need and tried to attain KPF's via trade and the mini draft without success. Add to this the compromised drafts (post Clark leaving) and each and every top line KPF being taken way before our pick.

I feel that both sides have merit behind their thinking. Winning breeds winning and culture is imperative to future success. Do I hope we get a top line KPF out of this draft. Definitely! Do I think that they will be the solution to all our needs. No. Personally, I can see the building blocks of a great side being built when I look at the list from age 25 down. I hope that we add more to this with another two to three pieces with smart trading in the future years. However I don't think that it is warranted to knock those who might be showing a desperation to get the specific player we need.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I like how the tanking proponents are now telling us how nice it would be to have a key forward as if we are a bunch of Johnny-come-latelies who are unaware of the fact. As though we have been living under a rock during the Fev debacle, the Mitch Clark saga, the Tippett scandal and the great Hogan theft of 2012.

I am wondering though if these people have actually been following the TAC Cup and u18 champs the last month or so? The top end key talls are not doing much to convince people that they are even going to be close to sure things at AFL level.

Geezus, I mean really, at least Melbourne and Carlton were tanking for extra priority picks. Why the hell would we sell our soul for nothing more than a slightly shinier instant scratchie ticket in this question mark draft?

 

[John]

Am unable to comment on TAC cup but do agree TBD.

 

[jackess]

Who's saying we should tank? I don't get it.

 

[Big Lion]

I don't believe that anyone has stated the merits of 'tanking' or stated that we are or that we should. I can understand your frustrations with others who might be inclined to lose to finish lower down the draft to get a specific needs type player. There is however a narrative behind their motivations to attain the KPF that we have craved for since Clark and Henderson's departure and Brown's impending retirement has created. The club itself is highly aware of this need and tried to attain KPF's via trade and the mini draft without success. Add to this the compromised drafts (post Clark leaving) and each and every top line KPF being taken way before our pick.

I feel that both sides have merit behind their thinking. Winning breeds winning and culture is imperative to future success. Do I hope we get a top line KPF out of this draft. Definitely! Do I think that they will be the solution to all our needs. No. Personally, I can see the building blocks of a great side being built when I look at the list from age 25 down. I hope that we add more to this with another two to three pieces with smart trading in the future years. However I don't think that it is warranted to knock those who might be showing a desperation to get the specific player we need.

Very well said, appreciate both sides of the argument and feel we all have the best interests of the club at the forefront of most of our posts.

 

[POBT]

I bet the mods must be ecstatic to have the conversation from the closed thread re-start in this thread.

 

[Big Lion]

I am wondering though if these people have actually been following the TAC Cup and u18 champs the last month or so? The top end key talls are not doing much to convince people that they are even going to be close to sure things at AFL level.

Didn't Wright kick 6 goals in a half of footy a few weeks ago http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...-geelong-falcons/story-fngnvocb-1226914172734, your right none of them have ripped things apart but Wright has definitely shown glimpses and a 6 goal second half is nothing to look down on, his also leading the goal kicking isn't he? Could be wrong haven't checked it.

 

[Big Lion]

I bet the mods must be ecstatic to have the conversation from the closed thread re-start in this thread.

Groundhog day, mods must be punching the air with excitement.

 

[ZoBlitz]

You people are tanking this thread.

Concentrate on the draft talk. Maybe the tank thread can return once we stop winning games.

 

[HereIam86]

Bound for glory phantom draft they have us taking Wright @ pick 3.
http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-1-0/

 

[John]

Bound for glory phantom draft they have us taking Wright @ pick 3.
http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-1-0/

Praise the long absent lord! We will not have to tank.

 

[jjami15]

Just another scenario to throw out there. Who would do a swap of our first round pick (3/4) for GC's two first round picks (ranging 9-15) with a possible swap of second round picks?
Personally I'm not sold on Wright as a true KPF. Keitel is moving up the ranks into that mid first round range and from all reports is lookin like the second best KPF behind McCartin who will most probably be going to St Kilda if they finish lower than us. We could also then pick up another mid, be it inside or outside. Not sure if it would be Keitel first then mid or other way round. Just something to think about.

 

[Swanny10]

Just another scenario to throw out there. Who would do a swap of our first round pick (3/4) for GC's two first round picks (ranging 9-15) with a possible swap of second round picks?
Personally I'm not sold on Wright as a true KPF. Keitel is moving up the ranks into that mid first round range and from all reports is lookin like the second best KPF behind McCartin who will most probably be going to St Kilda if they finish lower than us. We could also then pick up another mid, be it inside or outside. Not sure if it would be Keitel first then mid or other way round. Just something to think about.

Could be food for thought. I do hear that. It is a very even draft so our recruiters may see more value in drafting 2 around this range as opposed to one high end pick (3 or 4). I would probably be loathe to do it if we think we can get Wright, Durdin or Mccartin with our first but if not maybe it could work out well. Keitel sounds pretty good but I'm not convinced he will be available around the picks you are suggesting with Carlton, Richmond and some others likely being in need of the services of a player like him. Marchbank is another but probably more of a Key defender by the sounds. Still early days though and will come down to our recruiters think about the first round prospects.

 

[Fatcat08]

Just another scenario to throw out there. Who would do a swap of our first round pick (3/4) for GC's two first round picks (ranging 9-15) with a possible swap of second round picks?
Personally I'm not sold on Wright as a true KPF. Keitel is moving up the ranks into that mid first round range and from all reports is lookin like the second best KPF behind McCartin who will most probably be going to St Kilda if they finish lower than us. We could also then pick up another mid, be it inside or outside. Not sure if it would be Keitel first then mid or other way round. Just something to think about.

Its not the worst idea but we'd want to be bloody sure who we were after would be still available. GC would have to really want someone though as well and if the top few in the draft are all talls, I'm not sure that is a pressing need for them right now. They still need a few additions to their midfield, and they're sitting in a pretty good spot to grab someone where they will be likely to finish.

 

[Kevvo]

Just another scenario to throw out there. Who would do a swap of our first round pick (3/4) for GC's two first round picks (ranging 9-15) with a possible swap of second round picks?
Personally I'm not sold on Wright as a true KPF. Keitel is moving up the ranks into that mid first round range and from all reports is lookin like the second best KPF behind McCartin who will most probably be going to St Kilda if they finish lower than us. We could also then pick up another mid, be it inside or outside. Not sure if it would be Keitel first then mid or other way round. Just something to think about.

It's a pretty interesting idea I think, and it has the ring of plausibility that the GC would be keen on it. They certainly have enough depth of talent, so now the chance to fill specific needs with a near top pick would surely be attractive to them.

On the other hand, I feel like we aren't a million miles from that position either. You can never have enough good midfielders, but our midfield right now looks pretty good to me, and with a few years of development there is no single member of it I feel like we desperately need to upgrade. We clearly could do with a top flight KPF, and probably another classy big defender would be good, but I really like our HBF/HFF stocks when Rich is healthy (either playing there, or pushing one of the other mids there) and Cutler gets a little more experience (plus the presumed drafting of Dawson in a lower round). All of this is an elliptical way of saying that given where our list is, I think we may be better off having the chance to draft exactly the person we want, rather than topping up with more players from a shorter list that are still available.

Edit: actually, thinking about this again, their seconds get murdered every week in the reserves. I guess it's more accurate to say that their best 25 or so are very, very talented across most positions. That being the case, maybe they won't be that keen to give up the shot at another couple of first rounders to build depth.

 

[Swanny10]

It's a pretty interesting idea I think, and it has the ring of plausibility that the GC would be keen on it. They certainly have enough depth of talent, so now the chance to fill specific needs with a near top pick would surely be attractive to them.

On the other hand, I feel like we aren't a million miles from that position either. You can never have enough good midfielders, but our midfield right now looks pretty good to me, and with a few years of development there is no single member of it I feel like we desperately need to upgrade. We clearly could do with a top flight KPF, and probably another classy big defender would be good, but I really like our HBF/HFF stocks when Rich is healthy (either playing there, or pushing one of the other mids there) and Cutler gets a little more experience (plus the presumed drafting of Dawson in a lower round). All of this is an elliptical way of saying that given where our list is, I think we may be better off having the chance to draft exactly the person we want, rather than topping up with more players from a shorter list that are still available.

I think our midfield still could do with another really good inside ball winner and a another player with x-factor and pace. Out midfield is shaping up alright but a little too vanilla for my liking. Not saying we don't have these types but we could do I with extra depth and particularly a little more class. An Ollie Wines and a Midfield version of Cyril Rioli would be good!

 

[winged1]

I think our midfield still could do with another really good inside ball winner and a another player with x-factor and pace. Out midfield is shaping up alright but a little too vanilla for my liking. Not saying we don't have these types but we could do I with extra depth and particularly a little more class. An Ollie Wines and a Midfield version of Cyril Rioli would be good!

I would like to see a bigger body in there in the Watson or Dangerfield mould. Agree the midfield is solid but a bit vanilla.

 

[Kevvo]

I think our midfield still could do with another really good inside ball winner and a another player with x-factor and pace. Out midfield is shaping up alright but a little too vanilla for my liking. Not saying we don't have these types but we could do I with extra depth and particularly a little more class. An Ollie Wines and a Midfield version of Cyril Rioli would be good!

I think last year I would've agreed with this exactly. A bigger bodied inside mid would still be handy, but I still have a fair bit of confidence in Lester's upside to fill that role capably, if not as dominantly as Wines or Josh Kennedy. As for a midfield Cyril, I think the advantage of now having Green, Zorko and Taylor (and Hanley really) in a side is that we're always going to have the option of throwing real pace in the midfield while maintaining that crumbing presence up forward. Clearly none of them are exactly like Cyril, but IMO all three have the ability to substantially change the tempo and make us look a lot less one paced.

I wouldn't turn down another exciting mid with our second pick, but I'm not sure that having two around 10-15 is a better fit for us that having one pick in the top five.