2014 Draft Discussion

[Swanny10]

I would like to see a bigger body in there in the Watson or Dangerfield mould. Agree the midfield is solid but a bit vanilla.

Danger would be nice. Inside grunt and X-factor combined.

I still think KPF is still our greatest need at the moment, with midfield class & depth a relatively close second.

Pretty happy with how our defence is shaping up and the hopeful inclusion of Dawson into the mix should solidify this.

Ruck stocks are suddenly looking ok too with Berger, West & Martin all AFL capable and Archie showing promise. Would like to add another 21-23 ruck to the mix who could play straight away but still has decent scope for development improvement over 3-4 seasons in the system.

 

[jackess]

I would like to see a bigger body in there in the Watson or Dangerfield mould. Agree the midfield is solid but a bit vanilla.

Dangerfield or Fyfe type mid would be awesome. A tall midfielder really quick on the burst who can play inside or out and dangerous forward.

That's all I want.

 

[Swanny10]

I think last year I would've agreed with this exactly. A bigger bodied inside mid would still be handy, but I still have a fair bit of confidence in Lester's upside to fill that role capably, if not as dominantly as Wines or Josh Kennedy. As for a midfield Cyril, I think the advantage of now having Green, Zorko and Taylor (and Hanley really) in a side is that we're always going to have the option of throwing real pace in the midfield while maintaining that crumbing presence up forward. Clearly none of them are exactly like Cyril, but IMO all three have the ability to substantially change the tempo and make us look a lot less one paced.

I wouldn't turn down another exciting mid with our second pick, but I'm not sure that having two around 10-15 is a better fit for us that having one pick in the top five.

No I am thinking we would only do this to go big at one pick if we believe the right player will be there, and then select a midfielder with the other.

 

[POBT]

Just another scenario to throw out there. Who would do a swap of our first round pick (3/4) for GC's two first round picks (ranging 9-15) with a possible swap of second round picks?

I had been thinking something similar. My thought would be to try and get a player and a pick back - eg Jesse Lonergan and the GC's first pick.

 

[KissKiss]

Lonergan could be getting fairly cheap at the moment. Hasnt played a lot of games, few injuries, down the pecking order. Tasmanian so no go home factor

 

[chopperduck]

It is an interesting idea. I think it would depend on how the draft is shaping up and where the players we want look like falling. We will want to land that KPF, but if our pick ends up being 5 or higher we might start looking at another idea. We still need another mid, and someone with a bit of explosiveness that can break out of congestion would be good. Perhaps we start looking at an injured player who might not play a lot this year, similar as we did with Close. Find that player who might slip down, and as a bonus we can score a player or another high-ish pick as well with that trade.

 

[Crawb]

I assume this is the best thread to discuss how we're a huge chance for the wooden spoon sadly
Keep the discussion civil otherwise bad things happen and remember tanking = bad, never tank.

6 clubs on 3 wins....however Richmond, Bulldogs and Melbourne aren't any realistic chances for the spoon/Bottom 2. These teams are more likely to pull an upset win against a mid-tier team. Essentially a 3-way battle between GWS, St. Kilda and us me thinks.

The obvious problem for us is a tougher draw - Games against other bottom 6 teams for the rest of the season:
Richmond: 4
St. Kilda x2
Brisbane
GWS

Western Bulldogs: 3
Melbourne
St. Kilda
GWS

Melbourne: 3
Bulldogs
Brisbane
GWS

St. Kilda: 3
Richmond x2
Bulldogs

GWS: 3
Richmond
Melbourne
Bulldogs

Brisbane: 2
Richmond
Melbourne

 

[Schache It Off]

I assume this is the best thread to discuss how we're a huge chance for the wooden spoon sadly
Keep the discussion civil otherwise bad things happen and remember tanking = bad, never tank.

6 clubs on 3 wins....however Richmond, Bulldogs and Melbourne aren't any realistic chances for the spoon/Bottom 2. These teams are more likely to pull an upset win against a mid-tier team. Essentially a 3-way battle between GWS, St. Kilda and us me thinks.

The obvious problem for us is a tougher draw - Games against other bottom 6 teams for the rest of the season:
Richmond: 4
St. Kilda x2
Brisbane
GWS

Western Bulldogs: 3
Melbourne
St. Kilda
GWS

Melbourne: 3
Bulldogs
Brisbane
GWS

St. Kilda: 3
Richmond x2
Bulldogs

GWS: 3
Richmond
Melbourne
Bulldogs

Brisbane: 2
Richmond
Melbourne

Yep and Richmond haven't been playing too bad...Just those one quarters that cost them dearly and by that time we play melbourne, we are probably 2 games and % off from 17th place...Gonna accept the wooden spoon is ours

 

[Panthera]

I assume this is the best thread to discuss how we're a huge chance for the wooden spoon sadly
Keep the discussion civil otherwise bad things happen and remember tanking = bad, never tank.

6 clubs on 3 wins....however Richmond, Bulldogs and Melbourne aren't any realistic chances for the spoon/Bottom 2. These teams are more likely to pull an upset win against a mid-tier team. Essentially a 3-way battle between GWS, St. Kilda and us me thinks.

The obvious problem for us is a tougher draw - Games against other bottom 6 teams for the rest of the season:
Richmond: 4
St. Kilda x2
Brisbane
GWS

Western Bulldogs: 3
Melbourne
St. Kilda
GWS

Melbourne: 3
Bulldogs
Brisbane
GWS

St. Kilda: 3
Richmond x2
Bulldogs

GWS: 3
Richmond
Melbourne
Bulldogs

Brisbane: 2
Richmond
Melbourne

There was another one but a mod cracked the sads tonight and closed it

 

[carnthemlions]

There was another one but a mod cracked the sads tonight and closed it

Gee, I wonder why they did that?

 

[Panthera]

Gee, I wonder why they did that?

Not sure

 

[jackess]

Unless we think a KPF is gonna be a genuine A Grader, I want a midfielder who can play elsewhere with our first pick.

 

[blueiris]

Unless we think a KPF is gonna be a genuine A Grader, I want a midfielder who can play elsewhere with our first pick.

We could go midfield if we rate Hammelmann that highly and Keitel could be available at our second pick

 

[captainrich]

maybe we go so poorly we get a priority pick from the AFL and take both a midfielder and forward...if only though

 

[Dylan12]

maybe we go so poorly we get a priority pick from the AFL and take both a midfielder and forward...if only though

I'd be disappointed if we didn't at least ask.

Not sure it'll get us anywhere, but why not.

 

[Quigley]

Unless we think a KPF is gonna be a genuine A Grader, I want a midfielder who can play elsewhere with our first pick.

I wouldn't have any of the mids in the top 10 if they were in the last two drafts.

 

[captainrich]

I'd be disappointed if we didn't at least ask.

Not sure it'll get us anywhere, but why not.

bit premature i know and we might actually end up turning things around, (we were missing browny and merrett), but if things actually go like this we do need some sort of handouts from the AFL, part of the reason collingwood hawthorn are absolutely desotrying right now is due to the generous priority picks they all good in the mid 2000s.

Also after seeing how badly we struggled once we lost a marking presence in todays game it is imperative we draft a forward this draft mids can wait.

 

[blueiris]

I wouldn't have any of the mids in the top 10 if they were in the last two drafts.

Are the mids really that bad this year Quigley who would rate as your top 5 players this year

 

[western royboy]

bit premature i know and we might actually end up turning things around, (we were missing browny and merrett), but if things actually go like this we do need some sort of handouts from the AFL, part of the reason collingwood hawthorn are absolutely desotrying right now is due to the generous priority picks they all good in the mid 2000s.

Also after seeing how badly we struggled once we lost a marking presence in todays game it is imperative we draft a forward this draft mids can wait.

On the money - can't see us getting a priority pick despite the fact that we desperately need it. Go back and look at Hawthorn's drafting in'03

# 2 Roughead - Priority
# 5 Franklin
# 7 Lewis

We need those type of picks and to replicate that type of hit rate.

 

[jjami15]

I wouldn't have any of the mids in the top 10 if they were in the last two drafts.

All in all this year doesn't rate that strong as prior years. Even the KPP are just below as well. If there is any saving grave is that it is fairly even and goes fairly deep.

 

[POBT]

On the money - can't see us getting a priority pick despite the fact that we desperately need it. Go back and look at Hawthorn's drafting in'03

# 2 Roughead - Priority
# 5 Franklin
# 7 Lewis

We need those type of picks and to replicate that type of hit rate.

It was 2004 and if you take a look at Richmond's drafting from the same year (also with several high picks), it is obvious that this strategy is very much a double edged sword.

 

[SizeMatters]

Can't wait to draft McCartin and Durdin this year.

 

[carnthemlions]

It was 2004 and if you take a look at Richmond's drafting from the same year (also with several high picks), it is obvious that this strategy is very much a double edged sword.

It's easy to forget that nothing is guaranteed when it comes to the draft.

 

[jjami15]

Can't wait to draft McCartin and Durdin this year.

I know you're being tounge in cheek but how bout McCartin and Keitel or Wright and Keitel. Go a little way to build
depth in the most lacking of areas we have.

 

[Gibbo_88]

On the money - can't see us getting a priority pick despite the fact that we desperately need it. Go back and look at Hawthorn's drafting in'03

# 2 Roughead - Priority
# 5 Franklin
# 7 Lewis

We need those type of picks and to replicate that type of hit rate.

This comparison highlights how far off we really are. Roughead and Franklin showed in their 3rd year how good they could be (I remember Franklin kicking a goal on the halftime siren against us 50 metres out on the boundary in 2007 to take the lead?) and in their 4th year they were complete players. We don't have anyone on our list that looks like they will develop into a key forward that has pace or contested marking as their strength. If we draft a good forward this year, 2018 is when we could look good and based off the last 5 years, we're going to lose at least one of our first round draft picks in that time, probably more.