2014 Draft Discussion

[cotter101]

I think Petracca has good speed and strength and has shown he can potentially be this sort of player.



I disagree. You can't waste picks on high end talent. If he is deemed the best available I have no problem with us selecting Durdin. Clarke is really the only young KPD we have along with Gardiner who has shown he can equally play small. Bourke is a rookie listed player and has shown some potential but he's far from a sure thing particularly at his height.

Weller is classy and I would like him also but our pick won't be at the right range for him unless he somehow slips to our 2nd which I can't see happening.

I wouldn't have listed Petracca as someone who has speed. But he is certainly strong.

 

[Balony_pony16]

if we end up with pick 4-6, I wonder considering hammelmann is likely to come in and looks a great propect as a tall, we may go with best available mid? Angus Bradshaw or QLD boy Weller etc... I personally think we need alot more class in the midfield and at pick 4-6 it could come down to best available tall or the best mid in the draft

 

[jjami15]

if we end up with pick 4-6, I wonder considering hammelmann is likely to come in and looks a great propect as a tall, we may go with best available mid? Angus Bradshaw or QLD boy Weller etc... I personally think we need alot more class in the midfield and at pick 4-6 it could come down to best available tall or the best mid in the draft

I'm very curious as to how the club rate Hammelman and possibly Uebergang and how this might impact on what we do with our fist pick. Reading on other boards some have Hammelman rated after the likes of Wright, McCartin, Goddard and Moore. If the club does rate him highly I would understand going for best mid like a Petracca or Brayshaw. Then again I think there is a bit of depth this year and there should be some talent at our second pick if we don't have to use it for one of our academy players.

 

[Billy Puller]

KPF first pick. Cannot see us finishing above 17th. Our percentage is awful. Thats pick two meaning one of Wright or McCartin should be available.

 

[jjami15]

KPF first pick. Cannot see us finishing above 17th. Our percentage is awful. Thats pick two meaning one of Wright or McCartin should be available.

If we do finish there then it would be out of those two, to which I constantly change my mind about. A possible forward line of Wright, Hammelman and Close could be our future in three to four years.

 

[Caiphus]

Mid wise, I think we need a different type of clearance player because we have enough pace - when we chose to run them through the midfield anyway - we need a real burrower. All our clearance players are too upright and we are missing something in the balance. Any true in and under players that are worth looking at in the early second round if we have a live pick?

 

[carnthemlions]

I think Petracca has good speed and strength and has shown he can potentially be this sort of player.



I disagree. You can't waste picks on high end talent. If he is deemed the best available I have no problem with us selecting Durdin. Clarke is really the only young KPD we have along with Gardiner who has shown he can equally play small. Bourke is a rookie listed player and has shown some potential but he's far from a sure thing particularly at his height.

Weller is classy and I would like him also but our pick won't be at the right range for him unless he somehow slips to our 2nd which I can't see happening.

If the club think Durdin can be a dominant forward, sure.
Otherwise, I'd rather not use a top 3 pick on a key defender/swing man. We have other deficiencies that need addressing much more urgently.
Maybe it's just that I'm not overly enamoured with the current swing man craze. It's a useful skill, but that's all.

 

[KissKiss]

If the club think Durdin can be a dominant forward, sure.
Otherwise, I'd rather not use a top 3 pick on a key defender/swing man. We have other deficiencies that need addressing much more urgently.
Maybe it's just that I'm not overly enamoured with the current swing man craze. It's a useful skill, but that's all.

I agree especially when you look at Essendon with Carlisle and Hurley. Both can play at each end but neither are great forward. As you say handy when you have it but not necessary.

At the same time I wouldn't be against drafting Durdin. He sounds like a good prospect, just not sure he is the best choice

 

[Big Lion]

Wright will

You think he'll still be there at 3 or 4. I see him or McCartin as being the ideal pick early for us.

 

[Panthera]

You think he'll still be there at 3 or 4. I see him or McCartin as being the ideal pick early for us.

If McCartin goes to the Saints @ pick 1...

Wright will get past GWS if they have #2 & Melbourne at #3 as they both have KPF depth (although Melbourne a bit less now that Clark has retired). Then it'll get interesting.

If we have pick #2 then we'll have a massive decision to make, especially since we're likely to use another 2-4 picks later in the National and/or Rookie draft for Academy & F/S players. We'd have to be a 95% chance to take both Dawson and Hammelmann, with the Father/Sons more an even money bet at this stage.

And as much as I've trumpeted for the need of a KPF this coming off season, I haven't seen anything from any of them apart from McCartin that would be worth a Top 3 pick.

Trade week, whilst hopefully not as dramatic as last year, will be equally as important this year as we may need an extra couple of 3rd rounders to secure the above mentioned Academy kids

Can't wait to see it all unfold

 

[blueiris]

If McCartin goes to the Saints @ pick 1...

Wright will get past GWS if they have #2 & Melbourne at #3 as they both have KPF depth (although Melbourne a bit less now that Clark has retired). Then it'll get interesting.

If we have pick #2 then we'll have a massive decision to make, especially since we're likely to use another 2-4 picks later in the National and/or Rookie draft for Academy & F/S players. We'd have to be a 95% chance to take both Dawson and Hammelmann, with the Father/Sons more an even money bet at this stage.

And as much as I've trumpeted for the need of a KPF this coming off season, I haven't seen anything from any of them apart from McCartin that would be worth a Top 3 pick.

Trade week, whilst hopefully not as dramatic as last year, will be equally as important this year as we may need an extra couple of 3rd rounders to secure the above mentioned Academy kids

Can't wait to see it all unfold

The bidding is be before trade week so we would know what picks we have

 

[irel]

If McCartin goes to the Saints @ pick 1...

Wright will get past GWS if they have #2 & Melbourne at #3 as they both have KPF depth (although Melbourne a bit less now that Clark has retired). Then it'll get interesting.

If we have pick #2 then we'll have a massive decision to make, especially since we're likely to use another 2-4 picks later in the National and/or Rookie draft for Academy & F/S players. We'd have to be a 95% chance to take both Dawson and Hammelmann, with the Father/Sons more an even money bet at this stage.

And as much as I've trumpeted for the need of a KPF this coming off season, I haven't seen anything from any of them apart from McCartin that would be worth a Top 3 pick.

Trade week, whilst hopefully not as dramatic as last year, will be equally as important this year as we may need an extra couple of 3rd rounders to secure the above mentioned Academy kids

Can't wait to see it all unfold

Why would we need extra 3rd rounders to secure them?

 

[Panthera]

The bidding is be before trade week so we would know what picks we have

Other teams may bid on Academy players on the Friday prior to trade week commencing; then we can use the trade period to access the specific round picks (if necessary).

Correct?

 

[POBT]

Other teams may bid on Academy players on the Friday prior to trade week commencing; then we can use the trade period to access the specific round picks (if necessary).

Correct?

Nope.

If we successfully bid on an Academy player using one of our original picks, we must use it on that player. Can't trade it, can't use another club's pick via a trade.

That pick is effectively dead in terms of trades and the draft. It is committed to said player.

 

[Panthera]

Why would we need extra 3rd rounders to secure them?

What happens if clubs bid their 2nd round picks on Dawson and Hammelmann? We'd potentially need three x 3rd round picks to secure them if we want to use our own original 3rd rounder (as it's early in the round).

Would we not need another two if the above happens?

 

[POBT]

What happens if clubs bid their 2nd round picks on Dawson and Hammelmann? We'd potentially need three x 3rd round picks to secure them if we want to use our own original 3rd rounder (as it's early in the round).

Would we not need another two if the above happens?

No.

We use our 3rd and 4th round picks. Same as father-son.

 

[Panthera]

Nope.

If we successfully bid on an Academy player using one of our original picks, we must use it on that player. Can't trade it, can't use another club's pick via a trade.

That pick is effectively dead in terms of trades and the draft. It is committed to said player.

Don't other clubs bid on the Friday to ensure we pay close to market value, then we use our next pick, either later the same round or the next round?

If no one bids, all well and good; we use late round picks...but surely we are given the chance to secure these players with picks during trade week.

It's impossible for us to have more than 1 pick per round before trade period so that'd mean we relinquish rights on Academy kids if various clubs bid for different kids with, say, 3rd round bids.

 

[POBT]

Example:

We have pick 36 and 54.

A club with pick 33 bids on both Hammelman and Dawson. We then match the bid. Come draft day, we use 36 on Dawson (for eg) and 54 on Hammelman. We don't get to use another 3rd or 4th round pick (unless we traded in an extra one).

 

[Panthera]

No.

We use our 3rd and 4th round picks. Same as father-son.

Really?

If you are correct, this is excellent

 

[Panthera]

Example:

We have pick 36 and 54.

A club with pick 33 bids on both Hammelman and Dawson. We then match the bid. Come draft day, we use 36 on Dawson (for eg) and 54 on Hammelman. We don't get to use another 3rd or 4th round pick (unless we traded in an extra one).

Good, very good then

 

[POBT]

Don't other clubs bid on the Friday to ensure we pay close to market value, then we use our next pick, either later the same round or the next round?

If no one bids, all well and good; we use late round picks...but surely we are given the chance to secure these players with picks during trade week.

It's impossible for us to have more than 1 pick per round before trade period so that'd mean we relinquish rights on Academy kids if various clubs bid for different kids with, say, 3rd round bids.

Another example.

Let's assume this draft has 18yo NRiewoldt, MVoss and Akermanis. They are the 3 best players in the draft.

We have pick 2, 20 and 38.

The club with pick 1 bids on all 3.

We draft all 3 players, using our first, second and third round picks.

That's called Leppa's wet dream.!

 

[Panthera]

Another example.

Let's assume this draft has 18yo NRiewoldt, MVoss and Akermanis. They are the 3 best players in the draft.



We have pick 2, 20 and 38.

The club with pick 1 bids on all 3.

We draft all 3 players, using our first, second and third round picks.

That's called Leppa's wet dream.!

Nice. Very nice.

Thanks for the explanation

 

[POBT]

^^^^^^

Take out Riewoldt and put in Dunstall. Riewoldt would go to the mob down the road.

 

[Balony_pony16]

^^^^^^

Take out Riewoldt and put in Dunstall. Riewoldt would go to the mob down the road.

take out Dunstall and put in Brown

 

[Ironmonger]

^^^^^^

Take out Riewoldt and put in Dunstall. Riewoldt would go to the mob down the road.

I stand to be corrected, but isn't Beenleigh part of the GC zone? Meaning Voss would also go to the Suns if we came through now?