2014 Draft Discussion

[Ironmonger]

I firmly think that Melb will get that extra pick. Apparently there are a few team wanting him and the highest bidder will probably get him.
As jjami15 said, Carlton and Daisy.

I don't know about that. I reckon the team with the best short to medium term prospects will probably get him. I suspect Frawley wants to win a premiership.

It's not like he's going to starve wherever he goes. He's never had any team success in his career and I reckon trying to make sure he gets some of that, and gets it soon, will be a bigger motivator than getting an extra $100k to go to somewhere like Carlton.

 

[scoman]

Any chance of Weller surviving to our second pick (should we have a live 2nd)? Im not sure he will considering Gold Coast have a 2nd pick at the end of the first round. He was rated fairly highly for a while but seems to be sliding on the Phantom Drafts. Would be nice if he did slide and we picked Wright at 4 and Weller at 24ish?

Edit: Or even Brayshaw and Weller to add to Hammerman and another of our Academy falls

 

[Lace Out]

After the mini draft Hogan corruption it will be most unpalatable if Dees get the 2 picks before us.I think they might take Wright and Bradshaw.I think those 2 players could be on the top of our list.The question is,what is the third name appearing on our list ?

 

[SizeMatters]

He won't go past GCS at pick 14-16 unless someone like Goddard, Lever or Durdin slide. Can't see that happening. The Suns are still a KPD short IMO unless they rate Leslie really highly. I think the Suns first need is a smart, lead up forward/utility so I think they may go with someone like Lamb at their first pick and won't reach for Weller.

 

[chopperduck]

Frawley wants success, not cash. He should not be attracting massive cash if he is going to a genuine finals team.

 

[Lace Out]

Frawley wants success, not cash. He should not be attracting massive cash if he is going to a genuine finals team.

It's not just the amount per year though is it ? Being 24 it could be a 5 year deal worth 2.5 mill.That might get them over the line for an early compo.I have unfortunately been told by someone who should know that Roos' contract extension was influenced by what is going to happen re available draft picks.

 

[POBT]

I think Frawley is 26 soon so a long term deal like 5 years would be a slight risk

 

[blueiris]

I think Frawley is 26 soon so a long term deal like 5 years would be a slight risk

I thought he was asking for a 7 year contract at least that's what Purple was saying

 

[western royboy]

I thought he was asking for a 7 year contract at least that's what Purple was saying

Please don't quote purple he just makes it up as he goes along.

 

[Lace Out]

I think Frawley is 26 soon so a long term deal like 5 years would be a slight risk

So he is,but I don't think 5 years is out of the question with bidding competition.He'll be after length and amount combined when weighing it up.

 

[Sanchez365]

The most disappointing thing about melbourne getting pick 4 for Frawley is the double standard applied to the academy system.

Its OK for Melbourne to get a very high pick for losing a known quantity 26 year old who almost every club would trade in a heart beat, while Sydney getting an untested 18 year old with a late pick is the end of the world.

Its a ****ing crazy world we live in.

 

[jjami15]

For me it is that if they do get pick 4 as compo it does IMO leave the cupboard pretty bare. This years crop haven't set the world on fire excepted for Petracca and I think that after the top four, which are a bit of a consensus, there will be some interesting picks come draft day.

For us who knows who we would take. Outside of our mids of Hanley, Rich, Rockliff, Redden and Luey and co we are quite young across the board. A strong back six is very important and I would think that further solidifying this area would be important. Lever, even though coming back from being injured, would be a strong possibility and I wouldn't be upset if we took him.

 

[jackess]

The most disappointing thing about melbourne getting pick 4 for Frawley is the double standard applied to the academy system.

Its OK for Melbourne to get a very high pick for losing a known quantity 26 year old who almost every club would trade in a heart beat, while Sydney getting an untested 18 year old with a late pick is the end of the world.

Its a ******* crazy world we live in.

Starting to sound like Eddie McGuire.

 

[Scubaveg]

My arse is feeling generous today help yourself Melbourne.

 

[Luke Kathutian]

It's not just the amount per year though is it ? Being 24 it could be a 5 year deal worth 2.5 mill.That might get them over the line for an early compo.I have unfortunately been told by someone who should know that Roos' contract extension was influenced by what is going to happen re available draft picks.

As I understand it the dees are 100% confident of offloading frawley (still a biding war between hawthorn and geelong) and collecting that bonus pick. Sounds like they are happy with Wright and Brayshaw and made sure that was the worst they could do with a very heavy session on the track before playing us. At the risk of sounding like a pessimest it effectively shunts us to #7 when you factor in Heeney and Moore. Bugger all useful quality available. Durdin has some tricks but a mile away from even playing senior footy let alone playing well. Maybe lever but massive price to pay for a halfback whose not that great a kick.

 

[rusty08]

As I understand it the dees are 100% confident of offloading frawley (still a biding war between hawthorn and geelong) and collecting that bonus pick. Sounds like they are happy with Wright and Brayshaw and made sure that was the worst they could do with a very heavy session on the track before playing us. At the risk of sounding like a pessimest it effectively shunts us to #7 when you factor in Heeney and Moore. Bugger all useful quality available. Durdin has some tricks but a mile away from even playing senior footy let alone playing well. Maybe lever but massive price to pay for a halfback whose not that great a kick.

If this was to be the case, does someone like a Pickett come into the equation? Although Fwiw, I don't think melbourne will get a successive pick.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I hope you're right. Surely the pick they get for losing Frawley has to be based solely on his value, not where Melbourne's current first round pick lies.

 

[Ruse]

The most disappointing thing about melbourne getting pick 4 for Frawley is the double standard applied to the academy system.

Its OK for Melbourne to get a very high pick for losing a known quantity 26 year old who almost every club would trade in a heart beat, while Sydney getting an untested 18 year old with a late pick is the end of the world.

Its a ******* crazy world we live in.

I don't see how its related. One is losing a player who was previously AA and another is drafting a player on the cheap.

 

[lions27]

Wouldn't Melbourne only get an end of first round draft pick at most?
Pick 4 would be out of control and definitely over what Frawley is worth, he is an ok player in a poor team.

 

[SizeMatters]

I think I read or saw somewhere that they are reviewing compo picks this year. I think they will get a end of round pick at the least though.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

He was taken at pick 12 in the 2006 draft in which Gibbs was first pick, we took Leuey at 4 and Geelong's Selwood at 7. All Australian in 2010 but importantly, in terms of his current value, hasn't placed in the Melb B & F in the last two years and won't this year in all likelihood. Has played largely forward this year for 15 goals. Hard to see how anyone could justify putting his value at higher than mid to late first round. Contract value should be a factor but not determinative. Melbourne's current pick/place on the ladder should be irrelevant.

 

[crispy creme]

Re Frawley, as the rules currently stands any compo pick will relate to the size of his new contract/offer. The figure being bandied around for first round is $700k. Anything considerably under that will most likely result in a second round pick.

 

[Kevvo]

He was taken at pick 12 in the 2006 draft in which Gibbs was first pick, we took Leuey at 4 and Geelong's Selwood at 7. All Australian in 2010 but importantly, in terms of his current value, hasn't placed in the Melb B & F in the last two years and won't this year in all likelihood. Has played largely forward this year for 15 goals. Hard to see how anyone could justify putting his value at higher than mid to late first round. Contract value should be a factor but not determinative. Melbourne's current pick/place on the ladder should be irrelevant.

I guess this is the inevitable product of making a system mechanical. If Fyfe had left Fremantle this year on the free agency system (don't think he was eligible for F/A yet, but as a hypothetical), they'd get a late first round pick for a (surely) current AA who is rapidly becoming a dominant player in the competition. Frawley leaves Melbourne and they'll get a high first rounder. Comparing the two players on merit, it looks like a strange outcome.

On the other hand, there is an argument that the loss of an equivalently good player is a more substantial one to a team near the bottom. I don't think that's totally unreasonable.

I'm probably a little bit on the fence about the system in total. I'm not sure we can argue against a panel determining draftee worth, then ask for a discretionary system to determine F/A compo picks.

For our sake though, I do hope though that Frawley goes to a contender for smaller dollars.

 

[Ironmonger]

I guess this is the inevitable product of making a system mechanical. If Fyfe had left Fremantle this year on the free agency system (don't think he was eligible for F/A yet, but as a hypothetical), they'd get a late first round pick for a (surely) current AA who is rapidly becoming a dominant player in the competition. Frawley leaves Melbourne and they'll get a high first rounder. Comparing the two players on merit, it looks like a strange outcome.

On the other hand, there is an argument that the loss of an equivalently good player is a more substantial one to a team near the bottom. I don't think that's totally unreasonable.

I'm probably a little bit on the fence about the system in total. I'm not sure we can argue against a panel determining draftee worth, then ask for a discretionary system to determine F/A compo picks.

For our sake though, I do hope though that Frawley goes to a contender for smaller dollars.

I don't really have a problem with the compensation system, although it strikes me as manifestly unfair that the ways in which traditional footy state clubs lose players have compensation but there's none for the go-home factor.

 

[dlanod]

He was taken at pick 12 in the 2006 draft in which Gibbs was first pick, we took Leuey at 4 and Geelong's Selwood at 7. All Australian in 2010 but importantly, in terms of his current value, hasn't placed in the Melb B & F in the last two years and won't this year in all likelihood. Has played largely forward this year for 15 goals. Hard to see how anyone could justify putting his value at higher than mid to late first round. Contract value should be a factor but not determinative. Melbourne's current pick/place on the ladder should be irrelevant.

Except that the free agency compensation boils down to two things - contract value at the new club and player age. That's fair enough to my mind, as a club offering the player a contract will factor in AA, B&F results, etc, when offering a player a contract. If Frawley signs for $650k+ he'll be a mid first round pick, and as a result that's pick 4 (Goddard, Thomas, Franklin). If he signs for something in the $500k-600k range, it'll probably be an end of first round pick. Less than $500k and you're looking at a second round pick (Chaplin, Pearce, Sylvia).