List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Yep I agree with what you're saying. I think that kind of thing can be learnt pretty easily and a lot of it is about effort, which i'm extremely confident the coaching staff could quickly rectify (ala Macrae).

I think with some it can be taught, others it just can't, and I personally see Pickett fitting in the latter bracket. I see shifting mindset as being an easier thing to do than expecting a massive turnaround in work ethic (especially if you're expecting work rate consistently!). Macrae for mine just came in with a, "See ball, get ball," mentality as a lot do. With experience that develops into the ability to find and win the ball without letting your man just run off you and do whatever they want. I cite Redpath's debut as an example here: in the first quarter he was lost at sea trying to hunt the ball and giving Taylor far too much room to move, but he improved in this regard as the game went on. Experience can tinker with offensive mindsets but I don't think it can make a player a two-way runner. Maturation does play a part but I think Pickett always remains that player that is ahead of the ball and gives only minute effort the other way. Still think he's a great talent, I just don't think he's the right fit for us.

For me it's very much out of Lever, Durdin, Wright and Laverde.

 

[Super Hans]

Dannnnnnnnnn, what about Lachie Weller, would you be disappointed if we got him?

Whoever said he plays like Griff is spot on, even the way they run/kick is similar.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dannnnnnnnnn, what about Lachie Weller, would you be disappointed if we got him?

Whoever said he plays like Griff is spot on, even the way they run/kick is similar.

I'm not as big on Weller as a lot are. I don't think he ever develops the ability to be as imposing inside as Griffen is now, although I don't think he's useless inside either. He doesn't have the big body that Griff does and I don't think he stacks on the kegs. Athletically he's not as exemplary as others in his role are (good agility, fantastic speed but nothing else that really stands out - like with Laverde, Pickett, etc) and, even on the outside, he's not a huge ball winner. He's not the greatest at finding the ball, and his ability to find space and put himself in really dangerous positions to receive it isn't anything overly special. Of course I'm focused on the negatives here just to give you an idea of why I don't really like him at our pick but that's not to say he'd be a bad pick. I like him as a player. I think he develops into a very solid, very valuable inside-outside receiver/distributer that offers impact both ways. I just don't see him becoming your absolutely top-line midfielder, nor do I see him as being a guy you'd look to tag week in, week out. They're very different players so don't read too much into the comparison but in some regards I see him as being similar to Andrew Gaff - he's going to do damage, but he's not somebody you base your match committee around trying to stop.

Usual disclaimer about it just being my opinion and I didn't think Bont was a good pick at pick four either etc etc.

 

[doggies ftw]

I'm not as big on Weller as a lot are. I don't think he ever develops the ability to be as imposing inside as Griffen is now, although I don't think he's useless inside either. He doesn't have the big body that Griff does and I don't think he stacks on the kegs. Athletically he's not as exemplary as others in his role are (good agility, fantastic speed but nothing else that really stands out - like with Laverde, Pickett, etc) and, even on the outside, he's not a huge ball winner. He's not the greatest at finding the ball, and his ability to find space and put himself in really dangerous positions to receive it isn't anything overly special. Of course I'm focused on the negatives here just to give you an idea of why I don't really like him at our pick but that's not to say he'd be a bad pick. I like him as a player. I think he develops into a very solid, very valuable inside-outside receiver/distributer that offers impact both ways. I just don't see him becoming your absolutely top-line midfielder, nor do I see him as being a guy you'd look to tag week in, week out. They're very different players so don't read too much into the comparison but in some regards I see him as being similar to Andrew Gaff - he's going to do damage, but he's not somebody you base your match committee around trying to stop.

Usual disclaimer about it just being my opinion and I didn't think Bont was a good pick at pick four either etc etc.

To be fair though i don't think anyone could have imagined Griff turning into the contested beast he is now.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

To be fair though i don't think anyone could have imagined Griff turning into the contested beast he is now.

Yep, which is why any club that sees the propensity for Weller to be imposing inside will take him very early. If he does develop the ability to win around 30 disposals every game with a very good contested ratio, he'll be the best midfielder in the draft. I personally just don't see him doing so.

 

[Super Hans]

Yep, which is why any club that sees the propensity for Weller to be imposing inside will take him very early. If he does develop the ability to win around 30 disposals every game with a very good contested ratio, he'll be the best midfielder in the draft. I personally just don't see him doing so.

By the sounds of it, in a perfect world Brisbane take Weller, leaving more options for us at our pick.

Still think we will be heavily into Brayshaw.

 

[dogwatch]

Petition to Simon Dalrymple
(with apologies to Janis Joplin)

Oh Dal, won't you draft me a big KPF?
Since Bazza retired we've got no-one left
Who'll kick our goals? I feel so bereft!
Oh Dal, won't you draft me a big KPF.

Oh Dal, won't you find me a big KPD?
Poor Moz can't take the monsters, surely you can see?
And Roughy's taped together, so maybe Zaine Cordee?
Oh Dal, won't you find me a big KPD?

Oh Dal, won't you draft me another Rising Star?
With Jake and Jack and Marcus you've done real well so far
Just prove it's no fluke and show how good you are
Oh Dal, won't you draft me another Rising Star?

Oh Dal, won't you draft me a team that wins a flag?
I want a gun full forward who'll always kick a bag
And AA midfielders, so we'll have cause to brag
Oh Dal, won't you draft me a team that wins a flag?

 

[VitalDread]

 

[BRG93]

So heading to Preston City Oval with VitalDread to do some recon on Jayden Foster and Reece McKenzie
Bloody 11am WHY AFL VIC WHY

 

[Testekill]

So heading to Preston City Oval with VitalDread to do some recon on Jayden Foster and Reece McKenzie
Bloody 11am WHY AFL VIC WHY

Well, what time do you have to wake up at? Won't get much sympy from me since I wake up at 6 in the morning on Mondays and Fridays for Uni.


Also, I know I misspelt sympathy. That was intentional.

 

[VitalDread]

Well, what time do you have to wake up at? Won't get much sympy from me since I wake up at 6 in the morning on Mondays and Fridays for Uni.


Also, I know I misspelt sympathy. That was intentional.

6am monday-friday
sup.

 

[Wizard17]

Bit like Morris in one on ones. Also provides rebound I like it I like it very much.

 

[BRG93]

Well, what time do you have to wake up at? Won't get much sympy from me since I wake up at 6 in the morning on Mondays and Fridays for Uni.


Also, I know I misspelt sympathy. That was intentional.

Shhh it's a Saturday sane people should still be sleeping, I'm not one of those people clearly

 

[Wizard17]

4am on Tuesday and Friday
6am on Wednesday

6am monday-friday
sup.

 

[dogwatch]

So heading to Preston City Oval with VitalDread to do some recon on Jayden Foster and Reece McKenzie
Bloody 11am WHY AFL VIC WHY

Looking forward to an in-depth comparative analysis, please BRG.

EDIT: In case I didn't make myself clear, the comparative analysis is between McKenzie and Fossie, NOT between prospective female partners for VD.

 

[Wizard17]

Don't forget Darcy MacPherson too

So heading to Preston City Oval with VitalDread to do some recon on Jayden Foster and Reece McKenzie
Bloody 11am WHY AFL VIC WHY

 

[BRG93]

Looking forward to an in-depth comparative analysis, please BRG.

EDIT: In case I didn't make myself clear, the comparative analysis is between McKenzie and Fossie, NOT between prospective female partners for VD.

Stuff VD I'll be looking for myself hahaha yes will give you a rundown of what I have seen as well as Video and Photos

 

[fronkalicious]

"Hi kristian. Jason McCartney here. Wondering if you'd like to come play with jacko and the rat again next season? Thought so. That's great.

Cap space? Yep, got plenty.

Key forwards you'll be competing with? Ummmm, jack redpath....Redpath. Yeah, Jack redpath. Big guy from kyneton. Doesn't ring a bell? Oh, ok.

Yep, no worries, I'll email the contract to you tomorrow.

You want me to email it to you now? Sure, why not. You're a keen bean aren't you."

 

[dogwatch]

Move over Jason McCartney. fronkalicious has just submitted his credentials and we have decided on a new list manager.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

To borrow a line from BRG93, #GatherTheJaksch

Looking forward to an in-depth comparative analysis, please BRG.

EDIT: In case I didn't make myself clear, the comparative analysis is between McKenzie and Fossie, NOT between prospective female partners for VD.

We really need to find a more appropriate abbreviation than VD given how often we're talking about his interactions with the fairer sex.

 

[dogwatch]

To borrow a line from BRG93, #GatherTheJaksch

We really need to find a more appropriate abbreviation than VD given how often we're talking about his interactions with the fairer sex.

Actual or hypothetical?

 

[Dry Rot]

Actual or hypothetical?

Probably CGI.

 

[Wizard17]

Langford, Foster, Drummond, McLean all named in bests today. Be happy with any of them at their range.

 

[VitalDread]

Langford, Foster, Drummond, McLean all named in bests today. Be happy with any of them at their range.

Odd that Wright wasn't named in the best, think he took about 8+ marks and was very deadly moving up forward.

 

[Wizard17]

VitalDread did Langford (no 2 Bonti like) use the ball well today? Named best on for the Knights.