List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Norm De Guerre]

I'd love to see Wight available at our pick and we pass on him, just for the meltdown.

I'm o.k with it as long as we get an inside mid.

 

[BorisDawg]

A silly question that I think I already know the answer to, but posters have got Melbourne with picks 2 and 3 because of the assumed Frawley compo, yeah?

 

[ThirdLegUp]

A silly question that I think I already know the answer to, but posters have got Melbourne with picks 2 and 3 because of the assumed Frawley compo, yeah?

Correct, something to do with the contract he scores... he wants 4 million for 4 games or something

 

[BorisDawg]

Correct, something to do with the contract he scores... he wants 4 million for 4 games or something

Cheers. Someone really needs to sit him down and calmly explain that no, James, you are not worth that much money.

 

[BorisDawg]

I'm o.k with it as long as we get an inside mid.

 

[immortalmike]

I'd love to see Wight available at our pick and we pass on him, just for the meltdown.

Cameron?

 

[Guido]

I think another important thing to look at, is how much did Ayce weigh before the draft in comparison? If Wright already has the size, he wont be putting on 20kg

Umm, that's explicitly one of the points I made?

You've quoted what I've said, told me the exact same thing and acted as if you're providing me with some kind of insight.

 

[_M_16_]

Umm, that's explicitly one of the points I made?

You've quoted what I've said, told me the exact same thing and acted as if you're providing me with some kind of insight.

Never said that at all, you asked straight up how much did Ayce himself weigh and said he put on something like 20kg or something and how it affected him. I simply pointed out whatever Ayce weighed, I would like to compare him to Wright now at the same stage for comparison, and found out Wright is already a big lad and still pretty mobile. As that would be more important, than worrying that Wright will be impacted in the same way simply because it did to Ayce.

I was asking about something entirely different. Never acted like anything thank you

 

[Guido]

Never said that at all, you asked straight up how much did Ayce himself weigh

What?

Have a re-read of my post that you originally replied to.

"The two key things that have me confident on him is that phantom drafts have him at 3 seconds for 20m - elite for his size, and on the flip side he's ripping out ridiculous beep test numbers - and the most important factor is that both of these are occurring with him resembling an actual AFL playing weight over 100kgs.

This is very much unlike, as an example of a likely top 5 pick at the time, Ayce Cordy, who although looked incredibly fast and mobile for a big guy at 18, but lost a lot of that when he put on 20kg (as you do)."

Where in the above do you think you need to alert me to the fact that Wright is pretty close to an AFL playing weight already, or that Ayce was a very different proposition given he had to add a lot of mass to get to an AFL playing weight?

 

[_M_16_]

What?

Have a re-read of what you originally replied to.

"The two key things that have me confident on him is that phantom drafts have him at 3 seconds for 20m - elite for his size, and on the flip side he's ripping out ridiculous beep test numbers - and the most important factor is that both of these are occurring with him resembling an actual AFL playing weight over 100kgs.

This is very much unlike, as an example of a likely top 5 pick at the time, Ayce Cordy, who although looked incredibly fast and mobile for a big guy at 18, but lost a lot of that when he put on 20kg (as you do)."

Where in that do you think you need to alert me to the fact that Wright is pretty close to an AFL playing weight already, or that Ayce was a very different proposition given he had to add a lot of mass to get to an AFL playing weight?

My bad, I was probably replying to a different poster. Have a habit of replying to the current conversation of topic, and quote the last person instead of directly replying to the intended person. Which a few here in the past have gotten confused over or even a couple had a go at me for not replying to them properly, and thought I was attacking them or twisting there words or something. Cant be bothered scrolling all the way back to go over it exactly, but who cares I aren't perfect. Lets not make a deal on a non issue, moving on.

 

[Guido]

My bad, I was probably replying to a different poster. Have a habit of replying to the current conversation of topic, and quote the last person instead of directly replying to the intended person. Which a few here in the past have gotten confused over or had a go at me for not replying to them properly, when I wasn't meaning to reply to them directly. My bad, but moving on

No probs, end of the day, I would just love to know how Wright compares to the big guys taken early who haven't done well. Even though we're looking at him as a key forward rather than a ruck, it would be great to see a comparison of their respective draft camp results. Unfortunately though it looks like unless they finished 10 in the tests, those results are not on public record.

If Wright was a fair bit faster than guys like Fraser/Kreuzer/Leunburger, and smashes them in the endurance stuff, then there's something we can really hang our hat on as a point of difference and why he'll possibly succeed as an outstanding 200cm+ top 5 pick (compared to those others who were or are looking mid-range).

 

[_M_16_]

No probs, end of the day, I would just love to know how Wright compares to the big guys who haven't done well. Even though we're looking at him as a key forward rather than a ruck, it would be great to see a comparison in their respective draft camp results. If Wright was a fair bit faster than guys like Fraser/Kreuzer/Leunburger, and smashes them in the endurance stuff, then there's something we can really hang our hat on as a point of difference and why he'll possibly succeed as an outstanding 200cm+ top 5 pick (compared to them who were or are looking mid-range).

I agree with all of that. What happens if he rates poorer than some of these guys. Would you think we should put him straight into the do not draft category instantly with alarm bells ringing? Or has he shown enough as a Footballer, to overlook his raw attributes?

I know for sure if he smashed some of those tests in comparison to other guys his size, I wouldn't hesitate to go for him at all. But on the opposite end? The last thing we want is a slow, lumbering giant who gets outplayed by an athletic and tall defender every week. Is he a genuine power forward with some athleticism? Or an overrated man child who only won by bullying his opponent in size each week like Tom Boyd, that we will have to leave in the goal square and hope he can mark everything?

Cannot wait to see his combine results

 

[Guido]

I agree with all of that. What happens if he rates poorer than some of these guys. Would you think we should put him straight into the do not draft category instantly with alarm bells ringing?

It would worry me, but depending on who's available I don't think we would have a choice with someone of that ilk being available at pick 5/6 - even if his supposed contested marking and not standing up in big games weaknesses mean he's a 50/50 on getting to 150-200 games, we have to take him (unless a Lever has also fallen through, in which case it's a huge call for the recruiting department).

But hell, even if Wright turns into a serviceable/solid key forward/resting ruck who can play a role as a dependable player rated between 12-18 on the list for the next ten years, a) we'll need him and b) we've done much much worse with top 10 picks.

We all want the superstar, or multiple AA player with a top 5 pick, but if your draft "screw ups" include getting blokes who would contribute to a number of finals campaigns and in no way be out of place in a premiership level top 22, I'd take it. Just as long as we're not overlooking the next Judd or Selwood in the process.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I agree with all of that. What happens if he rates poorer than some of these guys. Would you think we should put him straight into the do not draft category instantly with alarm bells ringing? Or has he shown enough as a Footballer, to overlook his raw attributes?

I know for sure if he smashed some of those tests in comparison to other guys his size, I wouldn't hesitate to go for him at all. But on the opposite end? The last thing we want is a slow, lumbering giant who gets outplayed by an athletic and tall defender every week. Is he a genuine power forward with some athleticism? Or an overrated man child who only won by bullying his opponent in size each week like Tom Boyd, that we will have to leave in the goal square and hope he can mark everything?

Cannot wait to see his combine results

Wright still hasn't worked out how to use his size yet, one of the knocks I have on him. Seen him live on 4 occasions and there's only been one mark and goal that I can recall that was because of his size advantage.

Athletically he seems more then capable of playing as a leading CHF in the AFL in my opinion. Seems a bit quicker then someone like Tom Lynch from the Gold Coast and has a similar level of endurance. Don't think he's got his level of aggression though.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

Just looking through lists and names, hieghts and wieght. DOes anybody know anything about Jesse Watchman? 196cm 90kg at 18 is more to my liking. Personally i am in favor of a 196ish heavy set, ala DUnstall, or muscular like Bazza over your kirk tippet types, which is what Wright seems to be.

 

[_M_16_]

It would worry me, but depending on who's available I don't think we would have a choice with someone of that ilk being available at pick 5/6 - even if his supposed contested marking and not standing up in big games weaknesses mean he's a 50/50 on getting to 150-200 games, we have to take him (unless a Lever has also fallen through, in which case it's a huge call for the recruiting department).

But hell, even if Wright turns into a serviceable/solid key forward/resting ruck who can play a role as a dependable player rated between 12-18 on the list for the next ten years, a) we'll need him and b) we've done much much worse with top 10 picks.

We all want the superstar, or multiple AA player with a top 5 pick, but if your draft "screw ups" include getting blokes who would contribute to a number of finals campaigns and in no way be out of place in a premiership level top 22, I'd take it. Just as long as we're not overlooking the next Judd or Selwood in the process.

You have a fairly valid point. Though we all want that big 50-60 goals a year forward. Would we be unrealistic to hope for that? Or does he have all the attributes to do that? Wouldn't surprise me if he is like Tom Hawkins, starts of really slow. Becomes every supporters bitch on here, getting abuse left, right and centre, then 2-3 years starts to find some consistency. Whether he will kick that many goals or a handy 30-35, who knows

 

[_M_16_]

Wright still hasn't worked out how to use his size yet, one of the knocks I have on him. Seen him live on 4 occasions and there's only been one mark and goal that I can recall that was because of his size advantage.

Athletically he seems more then capable of playing as a leading CHF in the AFL in my opinion. Seems a bit quicker then someone like Tom Lynch from the Gold Coast and has a similar level of endurance. Don't think he's got his level of aggression though.

Interesting you place him as a CHF. He would have to move pretty well. For some reason every time I think of a big 200cm, 100kg type of forward, I automatically think of them as a Full Forward, just sitting in the square taking grabs in the air. CHF seems to be more for the tall, and athletic types who mark on the lead.

I guess part of the reason you didn't mark him down as a traditional FF role, is the fact he doesn't use his body well yet?

 

[igloo dweller]

Interesting you place him as a CHF. He would have to move pretty well. For some reason every time I think of a big 200cm, 100kg type of forward, I automatically think of them as a Full Forward, just sitting in the square taking grabs in the air. CHF seems to be more for the tall, and athletic types who mark on the lead.

I guess part of the reason you didn't mark him down as a traditional FF role, is the fact he doesn't use his body well yet?

and the fact he's reportedly an aerobic beast (15+ beep) with solid lead up game and a 60m hoof.

...the only issue i have with him playing CHF at league level is that he'd be too spent to play the pinch hit in the ruck




can't see the saints trading out P1. can't see dees not getting P3 - and then can't see them not shifting it. can't see beams going to QLD without the lions P5 being involved. so many variables.

i pray to all the deities we don't get tunnel-vision and trade up. i'll happily take pick 6 to draft - one of lever, durdin, goddard, laverde will be there - perhaps even wright. all fill big needs (especially as skippos confirmed lever is now 194cm). drafting < development, it's just that development takes time and it isn't as sexy.

 

[footyfan000001]

Could it perhaps go like this? (from all rumours) - Basing this on if Lions trade pick 5 for Beams, GWS trade pick 4 and a player/s (O'Rourke/Jaksch) for Pick 1 and Melbourne keep picks 2 and 3 (3 being for Frawley compo which is a disgrace yes).

1. GWS - Petracca
2. Melbourne - Brayshaw
3. Melbourne - McCartin
4. StKilda - Ahern
5. Collingwood - Laverde
6. Western Bulldogs - Wright

Apparently saints really keen on Ahern, Pies won't take two KPP in the top 10. I honestly have the feeling saints are keen to bolster their midfield first in the 'rebuild' stage and would be keen to see how White/Stanley/Lee goes in 2015 and will draft a mid. Would obviously need everything to go right for Wright to get to 6. Dees could also go Brayshaw/Laverde or Brayshaw/Ahern which would make things interesting!

Thoughts?

 

[natedog1]

Pick 5 Wright or Mcartin

2nd round
Menadue

We get another pick in the 2nd round for Higgens we use that pick and trade Minson to Essendon for Carlile

3rd Round
Mclean

4th round
Cordy

5th
Foster

2015
First round pick, 2nd round pick and Cooney for Dangerfield

2016 Premiers

 

[Leezorr]

Pick 5 Wright or Mcartin

2nd round
Menadue

We get another pick in the 2nd round for Higgens we use that pick and trade Minson to Essendon for Carlile

3rd Round
Mclean

4th round
Cordy

5th
Foster

2015
First round pick, 2nd round pick and Cooney for Dangerfield

2016 Premiers

Minson and a pic in the 20's for Carlise, you are dreaming. And Dangerfield is a free agent next year.

 

[natedog1]

Minson and a pic in the 20's for Carlise, you are dreaming. And Dangerfield is a free agent next year.

Remember they have no ruckman now paddys gone

 

[Leezorr]

Remember they have no ruckman now paddys gone

We have no tall forwards, doesnt mean we would give up Macrea for Drew Petrie and Change for example.

 

[natedog1]

We have no tall forwards, doesnt mean we would give up Macrea for Petri and Change.

Lol petri his ****ing shit! Carlile was pick 24 we are giving them 26 and Minson

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

Guys has anyone seen natedog1 and MattDougie in the same room together?