List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[TBOW]

Who knows what different phantom drafters see in different players.
Past first round it is pure guess work.

Chris in his non-updated draft gives us-

Marchbank
McGovern

Daniel

Ramsey
Vickers Willis

So clearly they all rate the kids differently. Think Knightmare is a little more hype driven than Chris.

 

[Stevey J]

Can anyone fill me in on some of the most explosive line breakers that will be available around our picks? (between the 20-50 range)
We really should be desperate for some genuine leg speed through the midfield/half-back that can run and carry the ball

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Can anyone fill me in on some of the most explosive line breakers that will be available around our picks? (between the 20-50 range)
We really should be desperate for some genuine leg speed through the midfield/half-back that can run and carry the ball

The WA boys in Garlett and Pickett are towards the top. If you can find some footage of Garlett from the Champs it'll highlight this. One run in particular he went from HB to HF, burnt and few tackles, kicked forward, then roved his own kick and set up a shot iirc. Think it was the game at Kardinia.

 

[Iluvdalhouse]

BOYD -Forward (17)
Menadue-Fast outside run (7)
Garlett-Fast smooth half back or wing (16)
Gore-hard at it on baller in the Griff mode... (13)
Keitel-Key position back (12)
Rainbow-Half back great kick left footer(30)
CORDY-Swing man back (46)
Biggs-Fast on baller or hb
Jong-hard at it on baller (15)
Redpath-Strong forward (19)

Gia
Cooney
Griff
Howard
Goodes
Tutt
Jones
Pierce
Fuller

 

[Dav1d]

Playing as a deep medium forward? Didn't know dahl and honey could do that!

He is not a medium forward though

lets face it, we absolutely stink at marking around the ground
I'm not talking about contested marks in the forward line/backline either

but if you look at the amount of marks we take in the midfield compared to the other clubs, I think its alarming how poor it is
sure it will improve

but I don't think another player under the 180cm would be the best bet, I mean AFL players ain't going to let him use them as a step ladder
and AFL players are much better at spoiling the ball, in fact at junior level you won't often see a lot of spoiling from anyone but key defenders

and Dahl and Honey can crumb & kick a goal; read what I replied to
I wasn't discussing McLean

can both obviously play in the role.

dahlhaus i think is more natural in the role, but with cooney, griffen and tutt all gone from the midfield rotation - he's going to be needed up the ground for his burst and carry. honeychurch i have more as a goal-kicking midfielder (brent harvey) than a stay at home forward pocket (milne / eliott).

All really depends who we take in the draft now
personally, I hope we only take any other smalls with late picks

Can anyone fill me in on some of the most explosive line breakers that will be available around our picks? (between the 20-50 range)
We really should be desperate for some genuine leg speed through the midfield/half-back that can run and carry the ball

Jarrod Garlett/Connor Menadue/Daniel McKenzie/Nathan Drummond

 

[Turtle3]

Hopefully these guys are available:

Marchbank, Reece McKenzie, Duggan, Menadue...

And

Caleb Daniel. The only non-Vic id look at, he will probably slide due to his height (167cm), but his lack of height is a great point of difference, and along with being top 5 quality on talent, will surely draw an incredible number of free kicks.

Id take him at pick 26.

My perfect draft scenario (if I switched McKenzie with Goddard).

Re Daniel, even though he is smaller than Lewis Taylor I think his success this year will encourage other teams to pick Caleb. Everything about his personality suggests he will overcome (as he has done to this point) his height challenges.

 

[ossie_21]

Only player I'd go with that has an unsure future is Taylor Hunt. Would be a good run-with pick up with a few years in the system. But I'd like us to go into the draft something like this :

26 - Best available player
27 - Pace/explosive type
39 - Best available KPD
45 - Best available KPF, preferably mature age
46 - Pace/explosive type
64 - Z Cordy
82 - Speculative pick (best available mature age?)
100 - Jong upgrade
118 - Redpath upgrade

 

[Doggies_13]

I hope we go something like
26,27 two of the following R.McKenzie McDonald Menadue Hammelmann D.McKenzie
39,45 two of the following Cripps Miller Viojo Rainbow Keitel McLean

I would only pick up 4 on top of Cordy, I would like to see
26 R.McKenzie
27 Menadue
39 Miller
45 Viojo Rainbow

 

[DognBones]

Considering that our first picks, 26 and 27 are effectively 23 and 24 (3 places ahead are already committed), I am confident we can pick up a couple of very good players if we draft wisely. Who knows what gems could still be available around those picks. Looking forward to some McCarney/Dalrymple magic.

 

[Cori]

My Wishlist:

26: Duggan > Menadue > Ellis
27: McDonald > Hammelmann > R.McKenzie
39: Capiron > Cunico > Cavka
45: DV-R > D.McKenzie > McLean
46: Eddy > Ramsay > Neilson

 

[yebiga]

Caleb Daniel
Now that we have lost Griffey
If he was 6 inches taller he would be pick 1

 

[fronkalicious]

And doesn't the key forward need to be someone who complements Boyd?. Isn't McKenzie just Boyd-lite? Boyd is said to be the 'out of the goalsquare, roaming inside the forward 50' type. To me that suggests we need a more traditional athletic centre half forward. I don't know who that is, but that is the type of forward I'd target (a Jake Carlisle type.)

Id like us to draft 2 if at all possible. One CHF as described, and another full forward type as well. Maybe they can play together, and we just need for key forwards for depth as well. Jones would have been able to play with Boyd IMO as an example.

 

[Aldo]

I'm a definite yes for Daniel. I think a club has to give someone with that level of talent and I hope we're the one. If we take him, it would be with a late pick, and given that a large number of players don't make it anyway, I'd take that risk.

Also on McKenzie. Even though we have Boyd, I'd like it if we took him still. Even though Boyd is supposed to be the saviour, we still need a back up and McKenzie would be great. We could also potentially develop a gameplan where we could play both very effectively. HAving two monsters in the forward 50 who work well together would be a great combo to have.

 

[Dogsman16]

Id like us to draft 2 if at all possible. One CHF as described, and another full forward type as well. Maybe they can play together, and we just need for key forwards for depth as well. Jones would have been able to play with Boyd IMO as an example.

Hammelman is probably the one we should go after in the range of picks we have. He really can push up the ground, its where he does his best work. Better tank than Jones as well I presume. There was a bit of rumour earlier this year saying that Hammelman would have been taken at the lions second pick, if the beams trade weren't to happen. Seems to be a 30s - 50s prospect now. Hopefully hes there at 39.

 

[Mutt]

Id like us to draft 2 if at all possible. One CHF as described, and another full forward type as well. Maybe they can play together, and we just need for key forwards for depth as well. Jones would have been able to play with Boyd IMO as an example.

What about one traditional CHF; Foster as a rookie (being the full forward) and rest being "outside" mids and key defenders. No small defenders and no small forwards. Just select them in whatever order they become available to us on a best available basis.

 

[LukasTheGreat]

Caleb Daniel would be straight up impossible to tackle.

 

[TBOW]

Caleb Daniel would be straight up impossible to tackle.

Our midfield would be full of either giants or short people. The opposition won't know what to do.

 

[Sharkey66]

So with the 5 picks, we seem to need:

1. At least one key forward (hammelman, Mckenzie, keitel)
2. At least one key defender (macdonald. Anyone else?)
3. one running half-back (menadue, v-rainbow).
4. one speedy mid (anyone??).

With Biggs coming to the club, haven't we already addressed this need?

 

[Zgope1]

I've been crappy this year with the draft. Know a lot about the top 20 but not much around the fringe. I don't mind Lucas Webb. What's the knock on him?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I've been crappy this year with the draft. Know a lot about the top 20 but not much around the fringe. I don't mind Lucas Webb. What's the knock on him?

Nice kick but a bit of a one trick pony for mine. Certainly a role for him in an AFL side but there's nothing that really stands out about him.

 

[Mutt]

It's time that you unveiled your draft selections for our club Dannnnnnnnnn .

I'm getting impatient to know who we will draft - I need something to argue about now that Sportsbet have declared Brett Montgomery to be unbackable favourite to be appointed Coach.

 

[Dav1d]

If he gets to the rookie draft, I hope we rookie McLaren

good athleticism for a KPP, just wasn't anything special this year
but I think that might be partly to do with having a new role as a KPD

With Biggs coming to the club, haven't we already addressed this need?

he might still end up in the midfield, same with Darley

I'm not sure we need to address every need in this draft
miss out on a certain type of player, it isn't the end of the world
always next year and I'm not expecting us to climb up the ladder (very highly anyway)

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

It's time that you unveiled your draft selections for our club Dannnnnnnnnn .

I'm getting impatient to know who we will draft - I need something to argue about now that Sportsbet have declared Brett Montgomery to be unbackable favourite to be appointed Coach.

Can't play all my cards before the BF phantom.

I think we're in a pretty good position to take best available to be honest. Tall defenders, tall forwards, speed and skill are all obvious needs; but with Griff out and Boyd probably in his last year (plus injury concerns with Smith and Prudden) I don't think a bit more grunt inside the contest would go astray either. With five picks inside the top 50 we've got some flexibility to just pick the players we think have the best chance of making it at each pick - chances are, if they're good enough, they'll have a role with us as either starting 22, or quality depth.

Something I put together rather quickly:
Pick 26: Connor Menadue (Liam Duggan / Neal-Bullen)
Pick 27: Oscar McDonald (Jarrod Garlett / Matthew Hammelmann)
Pick 39: Matthew Hammelmann (Toby McLean / Brayden Maynard)
Pick 45: Brayden Maynard (Damien Cavka / Daniel Nielsen)
Pick 46: Jack Cripps (Daniel McKenzie / Sean McLaren)

Rookie 1: Josh McGuinness
Rookie 2: Marc Pittonet
Rookie 3: Jake Maher
Rookie 4: Dan Howe

It's really speculative as anything can happen before even our first pick, but these are just some ideas. My point is that we don't have to fret and attempt to reach for needs; with the amount of picks we have in a good range there's a decent chance that we end up covering most of what we need anyway. With my first choices in the main draft we're getting two KPFs (Hammelmann and Cripps), a KPD (McDonald) and two utilities (Menadue and Maynard). We're gaining speed, skill, height and some grunt around the contest as well - a really nice balance there.

 

[Dav1d]

Can't play all my cards before the BF phantom.

I think we're in a pretty good position to take best available to be honest. Tall defenders, tall forwards, speed and skill are all obvious needs; but with Griff out and Boyd probably in his last year (plus injury concerns with Smith and Prudden) I don't think a bit more grunt inside the contest would go astray either. With five picks inside the top 50 we've got some flexibility to just pick the players we think have the best chance of making it at each pick - chances are, if they're good enough, they'll have a role with us as either starting 22, or quality depth.

Something I put together rather quickly:
Pick 26: Connor Menadue (Liam Duggan / Neal-Bullen)
Pick 27: Oscar McDonald (Jarrod Garlett / Matthew Hammelmann)
Pick 39: Matthew Hammelmann (Toby McLean / Brayden Maynard)
Pick 45: Brayden Maynard (Damien Cavka / Daniel Nielsen)
Pick 46: Jack Cripps (Daniel McKenzie / Sean McLaren)

Rookie 1: Josh McGuinness
Rookie 2: Marc Pittonet
Rookie 3: Jake Maher
Rookie 4: Dan Howe

It's really speculative as anything can happen before even our first pick, but these are just some ideas. My point is that we don't have to fret and attempt to reach for needs; with the amount of picks we have in a good range there's a decent chance that we end up covering most of what we need anyway. With my first choices in the main draft we're getting two KPFs (Hammelmann and Cripps), a KPD (McDonald) and two utilities (Menadue and Maynard). We're gaining speed, skill, height and some grunt around the contest as well - a really nice balance there.

How did Neal-Bullen test for speed at the combine? I think I had seen Gore was pretty quick, solid player as well

don't rate Blakely? Your rookies are also interesting, who is McGuinness? heard the name
think we'd take some mature age talent to

heard a few people mention Marcon, never watched him play though

 

[Hrovat24]

Don't think Mckenzie will last to pick 26 I reckon he is a lock for the saints at 21 or 22