List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Ant_]

Two words Fronky......Josh Prudden

Hope he can get his body right, shown glimpses of class when he's had a run at it

 

[Doggies7]

As much as everyone loves him, it's better to expect nothing from Prudden and get a nice surprise if he makes it. His body has just shown it will be tough for him to break the chronically injured cycle and be able to get a good run at it.

 

[Dav1d]

What sort of player is Bevan? Athletic second tall type correct?

An athletic key forward, that doesn't win a lot of the ball
but he is a good user of the ball & at a late pick
I would be reasonably happy with him; because if he makes it, that is brilliant
if he doesn't, nothing major was really risked
Sean McLaren is also a player I'd hope we'd take a risk on later

I think that it is difficult to determine out of the later picks the rate of improvement when they take the next step up to AFL & when I say now how I really hope we don't take Clem Smith (for example) in the draft for whatever, he might go on to be a multiple All Australian; because something might click once he or any other player regardless of their past results shift into an AFL clubs atmosphere

ALSO, if we miss out of McLean Wizard17, how do you like Aidan Anderson?
I see a few smokies in the draft machine AND Cockatoo has a very interesting range, 10-40
I just don't want him to go to GWS to be honest..

 

[Yojimbo]

An athletic key forward, that doesn't win a lot of the ball
but he is a good user of the ball & at a late pick
I would be reasonably happy with him; because if he makes it, that is brilliant
if he doesn't, nothing major was really risked
Sean McLaren is also a player I'd hope we'd take a risk on later

I think that it is difficult to determine out of the later picks the rate of improvement when they take the next step up to AFL & when I say now how I really hope we don't take Clem Smith (for example) in the draft for whatever, he might go on to be a multiple All Australian; because something might click once he or any other player regardless of their past results shift into an AFL clubs atmosphere

ALSO, if we miss out of McLean Wizard17, how do you like Aidan Anderson?
I see a few smokies in the draft machine AND Cockatoo has a very interesting range, 10-40
I just don't want him to go to GWS to be honest..

McLaren is my insurance policy when McDonald goes pick 25

 

[Wizard17]

An athletic key forward, that doesn't win a lot of the ball
but he is a good user of the ball & at a late pick
I would be reasonably happy with him; because if he makes it, that is brilliant
if he doesn't, nothing major was really risked
Sean McLaren is also a player I'd hope we'd take a risk on later

I think that it is difficult to determine out of the later picks the rate of improvement when they take the next step up to AFL & when I say now how I really hope we don't take Clem Smith (for example) in the draft for whatever, he might go on to be a multiple All Australian; because something might click once he or any other player regardless of their past results shift into an AFL clubs atmosphere

ALSO, if we miss out of McLean Wizard17, how do you like Aidan Anderson?
I see a few smokies in the draft machine AND Cockatoo has a very interesting range, 10-40
I just don't want him to go to GWS to be honest..

I'd like Anderson the outside mids that are available at our pick there would be waaaay to outside for my liking. I'd think about it even more if Blakely fell through to our first.

I actually like Daniel Nielson I was hoping for him in the main draft if we didn't get McDonald he is just so atheletic for a tall sub 3 second sprint and 3rd in the repeat sprints and is a leader in defence (this is something we have next to no of down there post Morris) probably one of the most underrated defenders in this draft on bigfooty to be honest and McLaren or Tester as a rookie.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Kind of hoping Tom Lamb falls to 26. Not sure if possible.

 

[Wizard17]

Doesn't pass the good person test from what has been said about him here.

Kind of hoping Tom Lamb falls to 26. Not sure if possible.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Doesn't pass the good person test from what has been said about him here.

Well if that is the case then pass. He does have a bit of Bontempelli about him but if the attitude isn't sound there's no way he'll make a similar impact.

 

[Dav1d]

I'd like Anderson the outside mids that are available at our pick there would be waaaay to outside for my liking. I'd think about it even more if Blakely fell through to our first.

I actually like Daniel Nielson I was hoping for him in the main draft if we didn't get McDonald he is just so atheletic for a tall sub 3 second sprint and 3rd in the repeat sprints and is a leader in defence (this is something we have next to no of down there post Morris) probably one of the most underrated defenders in this draft on bigfooty to be honest and McLaren or Tester as a rookie.

Or both Neilson & McLaren/Tester

watching McLean, he looks great through the midfield
I think he'd be wasted as a forward

I like Anderson because he is good at crumbing goals and I think that would suit us if it was decided that Honeychurch/Dahlhaus weren't to play more forward

looking at the draft machine, a load of rookie-esque players are named, I'd be surprised if some of them are even called out at the National Draft

oddly enough, people really don't rate Oscar McDonald
and have him going later, ditto with Connor Menadue

I was also thinking, if Maynard or Drummond were an option later; we'd probably take them
I've seen Maynard sprint out of packs with the ball before and he looks as if he'd have some good burst speed
Drummond the same, although his highlights in my opinion didn't highlight his best attribute
the kid is quick

 

[Super Hans]

Pretty keen to grab Blakely and Menadue with our first two picks. Then Glenn at 39, McLean at 45 and and Hammelmann at 46.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

I haven't paid much attention to Blakely, I'm keen on Menadue though. If Oscar McDonald is there at 26/27, we have to take him.

I like Drummond at 39, and Daniel at 46. A few phantoms have us taking Jack Cripps, but he's another that I've paid little attention.

 

[Yojimbo]

I haven't paid much attention to Blakely, I'm keen on Menadue though. If Oscar McDonald is there at 26/27, we have to take him.

I like Drummond at 39, and Daniel at 46. A few phantoms have us taking Jack Cripps, but he's another that I've paid little attention.

If Drummond is gone at 39 you may want to look at Lukas Webb
Daniel Mckenzie, Matthew Goodyear, or Tom Wilkinson good to
have all bases covered,

 

[Wizard17]

I think that McLean is similar to Robby Grey a little more outside but his footskills and decision making is to die for. He is just so damaging both as a mid and as a forward. Has a big tank too better beep than Duggan and just over 10 minutes in the time trial and kicks very well on both feet.

They have Maynard going earlier too possibly in the first round. There is some reasons behind why Menadue would be going later, in the first pick thing on the AFL site they are saying McDonald for us so I think he just has a bit of a weird range.

Drummond I'd like but I have a feeling that Melbourne or StKilda will pick him with their pick in the 40's and it would depend in who we got in the second round if we are going to take him.

Or both Neilson & McLaren/Tester

watching McLean, he looks great through the midfield
I think he'd be wasted as a forward

I like Anderson because he is good at crumbing goals and I think that would suit us if it was decided that Honeychurch/Dahlhaus weren't to play more forward

looking at the draft machine, a load of rookie-esque players are named, I'd be surprised if some of them are even called out at the National Draft

oddly enough, people really don't rate Oscar McDonald
and have him going later, ditto with Connor Menadue

I was also thinking, if Maynard or Drummond were an option later; we'd probably take them
I've seen Maynard sprint out of packs with the ball before and he looks as if he'd have some good burst speed
Drummond the same, although his highlights in my opinion didn't highlight his best attribute
the kid is quick

 

[Dav1d]

I think that McLean is similar to Robby Grey a little more outside but his footskills and decision making is to die for. He is just so damaging both as a mid and as a forward. Has a big tank too better beep than Duggan and just over 10 minutes in the time trial and kicks very well on both feet.

They have Maynard going earlier too possibly in the first round. There is some reasons behind why Menadue would be going later, in the first pick thing on the AFL site they are saying McDonald for us so I think he just has a bit of a weird range.

Drummond I'd like but I have a feeling that Melbourne or StKilda will pick him with their pick in the 40's and it would depend in who we got in the second round if we are going to take him.

Yeah, I get that in previous years
clubs haven't gone with the best available as we seem to think that do on here

some clubs will go needs, which may mean we miss out on some KPPs in the second round

but there will still be plenty of players that I would be happy with in the second round
McDonald and Viojo-Rainbow would be a nice start, Menadue a bonus at our third second round pick if we didn't choose him earlier

then McLean/McLaren/Nielson etc; would all be valuable pick ups
even if they only turned out to be depth, still require depth in these positions (KPP)

 

[paulveed]

Look, being away on a lengthy holiday, and only scanning through this thread. In all the discussion on potential mids, has the name Darley come up at all. I know he has been played as a halfback, but he was drafted originally I thought as a mid. He was only moved to the back 6 due to lack of opportunities up North. Now we have picked up the new kid from Syd. as a halfback, would that free up Darley to return to his original status as a mid ?

 

[Dav1d]

Look, being away on a lengthy holiday, and only scanning through this thread. In all the discussion on potential mids, has the name Darley come up at all. I know he has been played as a halfback, but he was drafted originally I thought as a mid. He was only moved to the back 6 due to lack of opportunities up North. Now we have picked up the new kid from Syd. as a halfback, would that free up Darley to return to his original status as a mid ?

I believer either one could end up a midfielder

maybe both? really depends who we draft I'd have to say

everyone says KPPs take longer, so I'm not going to be surprised if we don't take a KPP until later in the draft

 

[paulveed]

I believer either one could end up a midfielder

maybe both? really depends who we draft I'd have to say

everyone says KPPs take longer, so I'm not going to be surprised if we don't take a KPP until later in the draft

Especially with our first couple of picks, I don't really give a tinker's cuss what position they play. Just so long as they are ...All Class... good kicks, good decision makers, and above average in pace. Despite all the angst and vitriol directed at the guys who have left, Griff., Coons, and Missy, we have lost an awful lot of talent and creativity. Yes, I know we all love to hate the guys who leave, and there were shortcomings there, but gee, that is an awful lot of talent to disappear from one list in the space of a week, and like it or not, it will take some very astute, and lucky recruiting to make up for their loss.

 

[Dav1d]

Especially with our first couple of picks, I don't really give a tinker's cuss what position they play. Just so long as they are ...All Class... good kicks, good decision makers, and above average in pace. Despite all the angst and vitriol directed at the guys who have left, Griff., Coons, and Missy, we have lost an awful lot of talent and creativity. Yes, I know we all love to hate the guys who leave, and there were shortcomings there, but gee, that is an awful lot of talent to disappear from one list in the space of a week, and like it or not, it will take some very astute, and lucky recruiting to make up for their loss.

People have to remember, we're not drafting for next year
we're trying to draft for 3 years time
I believe we've been awfully lucky with our youngsters able to play straight away

Macrae/Bontempelli & Stringer have been huge

hoping Smith can get a bit of luck, definitely think he'd add a massive amount to the side as a defensive forward that can also hit the scoreboard

 

[paulveed]

People have to remember, we're not drafting for next year
we're trying to draft for 3 years time
I believe we've been awfully lucky with our youngsters able to play straight away

Macrae/Bontempelli & Stringer have been huge

hoping Smith can get a bit of luck, definitely think he'd add a massive amount to the side as a defensive forward that can also hit the scoreboard

Dav1d, I agree with all that, but we have had a problem for too long as a side relying on a couple of talented guys to add all the class. Don't get me wrong, players in the Cross mould have long been my favourite players, but that hasn't won us too many flags. I have just come to believe we need a couple more players who can swing games off their own boots. I realise we have have a terrific core of talented kids coming through, but I also think we have plenty of potential keys on the up-and-coming list. I would just love to see that extra one or two truly classy kids come in this draft, that can take our list up just one more notch.

 

[Dav1d]

Dav1d, I agree with all that, but we have had a problem for too long as a side relying on a couple of talented guys to add all the class. Don't get me wrong, players in the Cross mould have long been my favourite players, but that hasn't won us too many flags. I have just come to believe we need a couple more players who can swing games off their own boots. I realise we have have a terrific core of talented kids coming through, but I also think we have plenty of potential keys on the up-and-coming list. I would just love to see that extra one or two truly classy kids come in this draft, that can take our list up just one more notch.

then we take best available early

and needs based later in the draft
definitely needs based in the rookie draft though

definitely believe we have some young gun players on our list though

 

[paulveed]

then we take best available early

and needs based later in the draft
definitely needs based in the rookie draft though

definitely believe we have some young gun players on our list though

I think that is right in this case. In the past I have not necessarily been 100% behind the 'best available' regardless of need policy. But given Boyd and Cordy already coming in, I think our tall stocks front and back aren't too bad. But I still see a need for us to move one or two steps up in the 'class' stakes. Like I said, losing 3 players, that, despite their limitations, all added an element of class to our list, with them we were not a flag team, without them we are even shorter of that mark. Thus I would love to see another Macrea, Bonti., or Stringer, or preferably two, piled up on top of that unit, just to complete the picture.

 

[Dav1d]

I think that is right in this case. In the past I have not necessarily been 100% behind the 'best available' regardless of need policy. But given Boyd and Cordy already coming in, I think our tall stocks front and back aren't too bad. But I still see a need for us to move one or two steps up in the 'class' stakes. Like I said, losing 3 players, that, despite their limitations, all added an element of class to our list, with them we were not a flag team, without them we are even shorter of that mark. Thus I would love to see another Macrea, Bonti., or Stringer, or preferably two, piled up on top of that unit, just to complete the picture.

I remember in the Cordy video
he compared himself to Enright
probably a fair comparison as he isn't really the size for a KPD role
but definitely a position we don't have an abundance of depth in

with Redpath been elevated
I hope we target more athletic KPFs as opposed to gorilla/stay at home FFs

 

[doggies ftw]

Cordys going to be a key part of our backline, like him a hell of a lot

 

[paulveed]

I remember in the Cordy video
he compared himself to Enright
probably a fair comparison as he isn't really the size for a KPD role
but definitely a position we don't have an abundance of depth in

with Redpath been elevated
I hope we target more athletic KPFs as opposed to gorilla/stay at home FFs

I hope Cordy [2] fills the Hargrave role for us, IE almost a 3rd tall, and yes extra depth in KP defence would not go astray, especially with Moz coming towards the end. FR might fill gaps, but I am still convinced he is a forward.
I have faith in both Roughy and Talia, but yes one more KPD would certainly not go astray.
Hard to visualise a really complete front 6 right now, despite the depth of options we have up there. A classic CHF with pace, good hands and goal sense/kicking ability would be nice, but gee, how do we fit them all in...Boyd, FR, Stringer, Bonti, Hunter, Dal, Honey, Bob, the resting 2nd ruck and a new CHF type ????
In all honesty I am yet to be convinced by Redders, but if he does eventually make the grade, then there could be yet one more to add to the mix.

 

[Iluvdalhouse]

Think we will go for Gore we have been in contact with him 3 times so fair chance we like him.
Boyd
26.Menadue
27.Garlett
39.McDonald
45.Gore
46.Rainbow
Cordy

This would be our perfect draft Tall power forward a strong CHB and swing tall back man a hard nose on baller 2 outside running machines and a left footer to take the kick inns