List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dav1d]

amen.

first pick goes to the best player left on the scouting report, with quality talls and ball users winning tie-breakers over general forwards and midfielders. sneak a money-ball free agent, pull a swifty in trade week (pull a koby stevens / tom young trade for an undervalued tall) and continue down the dvelopment path. it would be gut wrenching to reach for a tall and then when he busts, wish we had drafted the wingard / gaff type that was obviously best available...

I don't get that a KPF is the only hole on our list, because there are still aging players in other areas of the ground and any key forward taken in this draft is going to take at least 4-5 years (unless we got lucky & got a freak) but I just think more natural footballers will be the go and if we got lucky on an undervalued tall; that would be amazing

still think we need another HBF with good kicking skills and I really hope Laverde is at our second round pick, possibly even Harrison Wigg
though Laverde has that extra bit of height

 

[Dogsman16]

amen.

first pick goes to the best player left on the scouting report, with quality talls and ball users winning tie-breakers over general forwards and midfielders. sneak a money-ball free agent, pull a swifty in trade week (pull a koby stevens / tom young trade for an undervalued tall) and continue down the dvelopment path. it would be gut wrenching to reach for a tall and then when he busts, wish we had drafted the wingard / gaff type that was obviously best available...

Agree why reach for Goddard or Durdin both of who haven't shown a whole lot this year, when Pickett might be slapping us in the face at pick 6 or 7. I'm firmly not in the lever or lamb camp, however I think Petrecca deserves to be considered as a top 5 pick which Richmond should heavily consider, Carlton could also do with another midfielder so I think Brawshaw and Petrecca could find themselves at Richmond and Carlton respectively. Lets just say that if we had number one pick my preference would be McCartin/Wright/Pickett/Durdin/Petrecca and that whoever finds themselves at our pick is the one we should take, of which we can already rule out McCartin/Wright/Durdin. I'd almost say that if we do end with pick 6 or 7, petrecca, brawshaw and pickett could all be gone as well as Wright McCartin and Durdin.

 

[Hrovat24]

Look at our previous first round key positions that we have drafted , Walsh Williams and grant none have lived up to expectations

 

[Dav1d]

I'd almost say that if we do end with pick 6 or 7, petrecca, brawshaw and pickett could all be gone as well as Wright McCartin and Durdin.

Weller would probably be the next in line then

I could see Carlton going for Goddard though, maybe even Keitel
but we'll see

Carlton/Richmond need to start winning!
even the Brisbane board don't seem to be 100% convinced they'll get a KPF because they think St Kilda will take McCartin and think Wright is more a ruck

Brayshaw might be an 'inside' midfielder, but I could see him playing off the half back like Vlaustin from Richmond

don't think we'd draft Lever either

 

[TempleKelvington]

Yeah there's no locks but there's at least players who look capable of it, up front we've got Jones, a couple of ruck men, an injury prone 29 year old and a rookie.

at the game yesterday I genuinely thought the effort was there, he kept presenting and at least tried to make his weight felt and I really do think he tries every week. Agree that he can drop his confidence pretty quickly when things don't go his way.

Can't agree that he can play CHB though. He just makes too many mistakes which up forward we can hide as long as he's doing some other good things but down back they can just absolutely kill ya. Forward or bust IMO.

I really do reckon if you had someone taking the attention off him he'd thrive

He played CHB as a kid, the way he reads the ball suits him as a defender and I also suspect he doesn't really want the ball as a forward because that means he might have to kick for goal. I just reckon he's not a natural goal kicking forward.

 

[True Dog]

Huddo on SEN this morning said the dogs must get a KPF and KPB (wow how observant) David King said that we should continue constructing our list as we have been and in 2 or 3 years mortgage the farm for a free agent? He said our midfield group is very good and some of them are filtering to the flanks (he mentioned Hrovat & Hunter as examples)... Therefore I'm all for best pick with our first selection...Please let it be Petrecca

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Draft the best available talent and then do everything and anything we can to make this happen


Am I a broken record

 

[Dav1d]

Huddo on SEN this morning said the dogs must get a KPF and KPB (wow how observant) David King said that we should continue constructing our list as we have been and in 2 or 3 years mortgage the farm for a free agent? He said our midfield group is very good and some of them are filtering to the flanks (he mentioned Hrovat & Hunter as examples)... Therefore I'm all for best pick with our first selection...Please let it be Petrecca

there are a few KPFs coming out of contract next year, not sure about the year after that though
but our list management guys would know

 

[Cudi]

If we do have around pick 6 or 7 would Keitel be close to best available or too much of a stretch?? I like the sound of him.

 

[Kony Abbott]

Just had a peek at the draft discussion on the St.Kilda board, I thought they would have resigned to picking up McCartin at #1 but it seems they aren't sold on him at all, I know its only BF, not actual recruiters, but they are talking about Wright just as much, and really talking up Petracca.
It's fantasy to think that McCartin will slide to our pick but perhaps the order of the top 10 is not as certain as we thought.

 

[Dav1d]

If we do have around pick 6 or 7 would Keitel be close to best available or too much of a stretch?? I like the sound of him.

might be bit of a stretch, considering he may still be there at our second round pick and he has been pretty quiet apart from one game

Just had a peek at the draft discussion on the St.Kilda board, I thought they would have resigned to picking up McCartin at #1 but it seems they aren't sold on him at all, I know its only BF, not actual recruiters, but they are talking about Wright just as much, and really talking up Petracca.
It's fantasy to think that McCartin will slide to our pick but perhaps the order of the top 10 is not as certain as we thought.

still a bit of the season to go, what recruiters want to see is a player who performed at U18 level; go back to their TAC and build on the form they had at the Champs

I just think Petracca is a 'flavour of the month' at the moment, especially after a good performance on tv

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Just had a peek at the draft discussion on the St.Kilda board, I thought they would have resigned to picking up McCartin at #1 but it seems they aren't sold on him at all, I know its only BF, not actual recruiters, but they are talking about Wright just as much, and really talking up Petracca.
It's fantasy to think that McCartin will slide to our pick but perhaps the order of the top 10 is not as certain as we thought.

A lot will change between now and draft day. I'm not sure Bontempelli was touted as a no4 pick this time last year.

 

[Dav1d]

A lot will change between now and draft day. I'm not sure Bontempelli was touted as a no4 pick this time last year.

this time last year, wasn't touted in the top 20 by some recruiters! End of the year though that had changed

 

[Pannalstaroz]

this time last year, wasn't touted in the top 20 by some recruiters! End of the year though that had changed

Exactly so just wait, some of these KPF's will go up and go down in the pecking order. We might get a star where our pick sits.

 

[Dav1d]

Exactly so just wait, some of these KPF's will go up and go down in the pecking order. We might get a star where our pick sits.

I won't be holding my breath on that
any KPF we get, will likely take 5 or years to adjust
and I know for a fact we want players that can slot into the team as of next year

 

[Dogsman16]

In terms of the Keitel, Goddard discussion I really think they will be in the 7 - 12 range a bit like Tomlinson, Jaksch etc. Not really smashing the door down on a top 5 selection but a good prospect none the less. Tom Lynch from the Suns was pick 11 in 2010 and Day was number 3 and Lynch is head and shoulders above Day at the moment so really it can occur a pick 7 - 12 KPF can become a better player than a top 3. In saying that though Day is an outstanding athlete where as Lynch is a more natural footballer and it shows.

Even though all the rage this year has been that St Kilda, Carlton and Richmond could all go tall in the early stages of the first round but I think that it would be a better result for their respective sides to take a midfielder. Richmond really needs support for Cotchin to allow Martin forward and Deledio down back, Carlton need another a grade inside ball getter post judd, ditto St Kilda with Hayes and Montagna soon to retire.
2 of those clubs will end up with Petracca/Brayshaw I feel. The other club will hope Weller pushes from being rated 8 - 10 to a 4 -6 pick come draft, which could push Goddard and Keitel to around the 8 - 10 mark.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I won't be holding my breath on that
any KPF we get, will likely take 5 or years to adjust
and I know for a fact we want players that can slot into the team as of next year

??????

 

[Dav1d]

????

not this year, sorry

 

[Pannalstaroz]

not this year, sorry

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Dav1d]

Booooooooooo

its okay, don't want to frighten the competition just yet

build and build our side, then an attractive destination for a KPF we will be

 

[TempleKelvington]

There is no point using a relatively high draft pick to select a kid who will likely be an average key forward and will take five or more years to get there.

Select Foster, keep developing the young players we have, try to trade for under-valued talls, try to lure a free agent, draft some project players with low draft picks or the rookie draft (eg. Campbell and Redpath) but above all - don't waste pick 6 or 7 on a kid who is unlikely to ever become an A-grade footballer.

Spot on.....we simply have to get what we think is the best player and not settle for a lesser player because he's a KP player. We have been a bit unlucky that the really good KP players have not been available at our pick in the last couple of drafts and it's likely to be the case again. But if we choose well we should end up with yet another good mid to compliment what we have put together so far. Another tall big bodied mid who can play multiple positions is nothing to be sneezed at. Petracca sounds good to me.

Agree with Foster, he sounds ok, will need time, won't cost us the earth. I also think that eventually at least one of our existing talls will come through and perhaps who knows, maybe, just maybe a Boyd or Patton type may want to come to the Whitten oval in a year or 2.

 

[TBOW]

People talk about giving talls in their 20's like Jones & Cordy time to develop, but are ready to write off 17 year old kids after an unimpressive champs?
Recruiters are going off pages of data & years of footy with these kids, if they are going to be good footballers they already have a pretty good idea.
The best thing about none of them setting the world on fire is that we may now have a slightly higher chance of landing one of them. Only slightly.

That said I am definitely in the draft small - trade tall boat.

 

[TempleKelvington]

What about **** Kennedy's boy? I heard he was doing ok, anyone reckon he's worth a shot? His dad wasn't over skillful, but by geeze he was a hard big bugger and I'd love someone like that playing defense for us again.

 

[TBOW]

Just had a peek at the draft discussion on the St.Kilda board, I thought they would have resigned to picking up McCartin at #1 but it seems they aren't sold on him at all, I know its only BF, not actual recruiters, but they are talking about Wright just as much
.

A 2 meter tall, solid kid with strong hands who can kick goals from anywhere within 60... McCartin needs to be a freak of a footballer to match that. Not saying he is or he isn't but I know who I'd be taking at least on paper.

 

[TempleKelvington]

A lot will change between now and draft day. I'm not sure Bontempelli was touted as a no4 pick this time last year.

he wasn't a number 4 pick until we picked him. Most had him going later, he came in hard towards the end. The Pies wanted him big time. They got a good one too in Sharenberge but he's injured this year.