List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[TheHoneyBadger]

Well that is just insane
Doug Hawkins would never get recruited if that is the thinking.
Ditto Dane Swan, Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett Senior

I am sure Christain Howard aced his VCE score

He wasn't saying they'd pick an ordinary player over a superstar just because of his grades, just that if it was a toss-up between very similar players you'd go for the one that has demonstrated an impressive work ethic in school.

 

[Dav1d]

Well that is just insane
Doug Hawkins would never get recruited if that is the thinking.
Ditto Dane Swan, Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett Senior

I am sure Christain Howard aced his VCE score

I know its insane
not sure Stringer even completed his Year 12, so probably not something to worry about
Stringer was working with his Dad every day though

 

[yebiga]

He wasn't saying they'd pick an ordinary player over a superstar just because of his grades, just that if it was a toss-up between very similar players you'd go for the one that has demonstrated an impressive work ethic in school.

And I am saying that if someone is getting great academic results perhaps they are better suited to something more worthy than just football. it is an entirely nonsensical criteria for selecting a footballer and if that is what recruiters are really doing to split two similarly talented prospects they have it seriously wrong. What about a kid who has ordinary academic results but has a part time job or a hobby they are committed too?

I think you would find their astrological signs are a more reliable guide then their VCE scores.

 

[Dav1d]

And I am saying that if someone is getting great academic results perhaps they are better suited to something more worthy than just football. it is an entirely nonsensical criteria for selecting a footballer and if that is what recruiters are really doing to split two similarly talented prospects they have it seriously wrong. What about a kid who has ordinary academic results but has a part time job or a hobby they are committed too?

I think you would find their astrological signs are a more reliable guide then their VCE scores.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but that is just how they see it

I don't know how much our recruitment guys value that

I posted something on it earlier and not everyone saw it the same way as you did

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

And I am saying that if someone is getting great academic results perhaps they are better suited to something more worthy than just football. it is an entirely nonsensical criteria for selecting a footballer and if that is what recruiters are really doing to split two similarly talented prospects they have it seriously wrong. What about a kid who has ordinary academic results but has a part time job or a hobby they are committed too?

I think you would find their astrological signs are a more reliable guide then their VCE scores.

I disagree here, I think it's worth noting their commitment to their studies. Hobbies/part time work should also be taken into account, I'll give you that.

There are other ways to split prospects and decide who is best for your club, but it just has to be taken under consideration. It's definitely not the be all and end all, however.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Saw one of his tweets saying "Come on pies! Make my saturday night please!".

Don't think we should draft him anymore. Even though we do have Hrovat.

Seriosuly though, also saw a tweet from early in the year saying that he reached 14.2 on the beep test. That's pretty good. Don't think his gas tank will be a big issue.

Too many beans?

 

[Peter Wallis]

Well that is just insane
Doug Hawkins would never get recruited if that is the thinking.
Ditto Dane Swan, Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett Senior

I am sure Christain Howard aced his VCE score

Will Minson should have gone pick 1 then.

 

[Metal]

The Bontempelli selection should tell us a few things -

1. Select ones with huge upside, that might be late developers
2. Visit the family and check the character of the young man - re authority, leadership, values.....
3. Establish if there is any "connection" between coach and player (well, it's a good place for loyalty and listening to start from).
4. Be lucky and find someone who appears to have all the time in the world on the football field.
5. Check out who Collingwood is interested in!

The recruiters will know all there is to know about a player by then. However I note that Roos said the other night that there is a huge difference between the champs and AFL footy, especially in the area of 2 way running. Many will fall by the wayside. You really want someone who has that extra zing to learn and the capacity to implement it.

 

[scooter600x]

The Bontempelli selection should tell us a few things -

1. Select ones with huge upside, that might be late developers

Scott Clayton has come back

 

[Metal]

LOL

 

[Dav1d]

The Bontempelli selection should tell us a few things -

1. Select ones with huge upside, that might be late developers
2. Visit the family and check the character of the young man - re authority, leadership, values.....
3. Establish if there is any "connection" between coach and player (well, it's a good place for loyalty and listening to start from).
4. Be lucky and find someone who appears to have all the time in the world on the football field.
5. Check out who Collingwood is interested in!

The recruiters will know all there is to know about a player by then. However I note that Roos said the other night that there is a huge difference between the champs and AFL footy, especially in the area of 2 way running. Many will fall by the wayside. You really want someone who has that extra zing to learn and the capacity to implement it.

that part isnt true and fortunately there are some good kicking players that run hard both ways in this draft!

you forgot the obvious one though, tall midfielder; I believe that is how we'll go, because if they run hard both ways there is a chance they could also become a HBF maybe even at both our picks

 

[fronkalicious]

With melbournes needs for mids and ours for a key forward, I wonder if we may look to trade up with them to get a wright//mccartin/durdin and allow them to take a petracca/brayshaw at pick 5 or 6. Particularly if they get a compo pick for frawley, i can see roos trading down or out again.


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[Dav1d]

With melbournes needs for mids and ours for a key forward, I wonder if we may look to trade up with them to get a wright//mccartin/durdin and allow them to take a petracca/brayshaw at pick 5 or 6. Particularly if they get a compo pick for frawley, i can see roos trading down or out again.

trade what? If St Kilda and Brisbane have the first two picks; McCartin/Wright will be gone-ski

 

[Dav1d]

for those without foxtel or that didn't catch it

 

[Super Hans]

for those without foxtel or that didn't catch it

Petracca reminds me so much of a bigger bodied Luke Shuey.

 

[Wizard17]

for those without foxtel or that didn't catch it

It is too bad that Daniel is such a midget from that the kid looks like a complete freak half those goals seemed to be set up by him and he had three himself . Durdin is one that I hope falls to us more than ever looked really good, strong overhead and when the ball hit the ground he didn't look like he was completely out of the contest. McCartin's marking was good but he had absolutely no supply by the looks of things.

 

[Dav1d]

McCartin surprised me, he worked a lot harder up the ground then I thought he would
he knows when to fly up for a ball, when to stay down
good at ground level, not a great user of the ball around the goal though

Petracca reminds me so much of a bigger bodied Luke Shuey.

probably the best comparison I've heard...been compared to Dangerfield and Dustin Martin; I've compared him to Swan
I really hope he'd be at our pick, because any KPP will take 5 years very likely before they start performing and we want a player ready to play Round 1 next year to be honest

you actually liked Brayshaw a bit back didn't you? I think he could be another we'd be hoping for, could totally play another position; doesn't need to be just stuck into the 'inside' midfielder category

 

[Super Hans]

McCartin surprised me, he worked a lot harder up the ground then I thought he would
he knows when to fly up for a ball, when to stay down
good at ground level, not a great user of the ball around the goal though


probably the best comparison I've heard...been compared to Dangerfield and Dustin Martin; I've compared him to Swan
I really hope he'd be at our pick, because any KPP will take 5 years very likely before they start performing and we want a player ready to play Round 1 next year to be honest

you actually liked Brayshaw a bit back didn't you? I think he could be another we'd be hoping for, could totally play another position; doesn't need to be just stuck into the 'inside' midfielder category

I think there's a fair few good options. Any of Petracca, Pickett, Brawshaw, Duggan or the key forwards will leave me pretty stoked.

I do think Brayshaw is a very good option.

 

[Dav1d]

I think there's a fair few good options. Any of Petracca, Pickett, Brawshaw, Duggan or the key forwards will leave me pretty stoked.

I do think Brayshaw is a very good option.

not disagreeing, but may I ask why? I think he could play off of HBF, like Vlaustin from Richmond
definitely think he could play early next year and is supposed to be a strong leader, him and Petracca

 

[Wizard17]

I like the look of Payne seems to be a good lead up CHF type who doesn't even look like missing infront of the sticks.

 

[Super Hans]

not disagreeing, but may I ask why? I think he could play off of HBF, like Vlaustin from Richmond
definitely think he could play early next year and is supposed to be a strong leader, him and Petracca

I just think come finals, you want to have a big strong midfield. He's not my number one preference, but I think would be very good for us long term.

Boyd will be gone soon, and I know we have Smith, Wallis, Libba, Hrovat. But I'd say Libba is the only one that goes into the centre square and is genuinely a contested beast. As much as people think Boyd is nothing to our team, he is gonna leave a massive hole. Brayshaw can fill that IMO.

But as I said, he's not my number one preference. Duggan and Pickett are from who I think will be available.

 

[Dav1d]

But as I said, he's not my number one preference. Duggan and Pickett are from who I think will be available.

Pickett and Duggan haven't really accumulated as much as you'd like of the ball though

I think Duggan has to improve his numbers when he gets back to the TAC because he might end up going in the second round, hopefully falling to us
hope if thats the case, we didn't pass on him a second time
but I'm sure our recruiters will get it right

 

[Wizard17]

1st pick - Sam Durdin
2nd pick - best available
3rd pick - Zaine Cordy
4th pick - Caleb Hislop

 

[Dav1d]

1st pick - Sam Durdin
2nd pick - best available
3rd pick - Zaine Cordy
4th pick - Caleb Hislop

 

[Wizard17]

Best available is a KPF (McKenzie) if not then take one that falls through a bit to the fourth round/take Foster on the main list. If Durdin is at our pick then we MUST select him if not I'm going to be part of the mob that goes to Whitten Oval if he is not there then any of Pickett, Duggan, Petracca or (to get back at the expansion clubs) Weller would suite us. Underexposure makes Tassie kids like Hislop become very underrated IMO probably the best non KPP likely to be there that would fit into our game plan quite well.