List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dav1d]

I agree with you , last thing you want to do is to be seduced by father sons.
But I can see a bit with Cordy , think 3rd rounder would be a good get.
The highly rated McCartin doesn't look like an early first rounder to me. He looks awfully slow ?

not so slow when the ball is coming at him and hes leading at it
I think forwards need to be able to get up the ground now though
and not sure he uses it too well around the ground

like Dalrymple said; the KPPs haven't been really performing as expected
not like Tom Boyd last year or even McCarthy

 

[Hrovat24]

I agree with you , last thing you want to do is to be seduced by father sons.
But I can see a bit with Cordy , think 3rd rounder would be a good get.
The highly rated McCartin doesn't look like an early first rounder to me. He looks awfully slow ?

I have only seen him 3 or 4 times his a nice build and height doesn't look overly quick but I think he will end up at the saints

 

[Dav1d]

Yeah your right there , well with both statements and the guy I was thinking of was Andrews what do u think of him and ham

didn't watch him enough, I really like 'ham' though
think brisbane would take him, if we nominated him
the top 'quality' KPP have been a bit overrated in my opinion and I'm wondering if we could potentially find something later
especially if we plan to target an out of contact or f/a KPP come next season, because I don't expect us to be challenging next year
be more competitive...maybe

 

[Hrovat24]

didn't watch him enough, I really like 'ham' though
think brisbane would take him, if we nominated him
the top 'quality' KPP have been a bit overrated in my opinion and I'm wondering if we could potentially find something later
especially if we plan to target an out of contact or f/a KPP come next season, because I don't expect us to be challenging next year
be more competitive...maybe

yeah I'm really not sure about this draft at all

 

[Dav1d]

yeah I'm really not sure about this draft at all

for KPPs? I hope we take a couple of under the radar ones

though thats hard for a KPP to fly under the radar...every says Brenton Payne, but every other draft watcher I chat to talks him up! hardly flying under the radar

 

[Hrovat24]

for KPPs? I hope we take a couple of under the radar ones

though thats hard for a KPP to fly under the radar...every says Brenton Payne, but every other draft watcher I chat to talks him up! hardly flying under the radar

I mean I'm not sure how strong this draft is in general and I'm not sold on Payne either

 

[Dav1d]

I mean I'm not sure how strong this draft is in general and I'm not sold on Payne either

who are you sold on? at this time
still plenty of the year to go though

I'm pretty tired from watching all the games, I'll probably come up with more players names that I liked

 

[Hrovat24]

who are you sold on? at this time
still plenty of the year to go though

I'm pretty tired from watching all the games, I'll probably come up with more players names that I liked

Not sold on anyone at the moment but players I have seen something from are patrecca brayshaw Durdin kietel wright in the ruck Moore Laverde smith Pickett garlett Hamlemm Andrews lonie

 

[josh the gent]

Saw an article in today's Herald Sun that tries to show each team's run home.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...un-to-the-finals/story-fni5f22o-1226974052293

The bottom 8 teams looked like this (with Essendon in 10th on 12 wins):

11. West Coast 8-12
12. Richmond 7-15
13. Western Bulldogs 7-15
14. Carlton 5-17
15. Melbourne 5-17
16. GWS 5-17
17. Brisbane Lions 5-17
18. St Kilda 3-19

He has us winning against St Kilda and GWS. Entirely feasible I think, but it also wouldn't surprise me if we win a couple of other games, vs Essendon and North are not completely unrealistic.

Nonetheless, we should get pick 6 if it all works out that way, so at this early stage (and just based off write-ups, etc) I would view it in an early phantom draft as:

1. St Kilda - McCartin
Obvious pick. They have 2 young rucks, so go with a more pure KPF than Wright who is a Ruck/KPF. He suits them perfectly IMO.

2. Brisbane - Wright
Need a KPF badly, and is a pretty obvious selection too. Their mids are actually not bad at all, could be exciting times ahead for the Lions.

3. GWS - Durdin
Not 100% on this one, could go Petracca, but I think a KPD is their biggest deficiency, so why not get the best one available who is a top 5 pick on talent anyway.

4. Melbourne - Brayshaw
Didn't go with the contested beast in Wines a couple of years ago and it bit them on the bum. Should go with the proven man this time around.

5. Carlton - Goddard
Just feels right. I think the Blues will want a high-end KPF, and snatch Goddard from under our noses. Either him or Petracca.

6. WB - Petracca
Could go Duggan, but I think the allure of a big bodied mid will be too much for the recruiters to ignore. Will go any of the others above if available (i.e. if GWS take Petracca and Durdin is available, I think we would go Durdin).

If we finish ahead of Richmond though (and get pick 7), then I reckon Petracca will be gone and we will definitely get Duggan. WC to take Pickett.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

You mean we shouldn't make assertions about players based on a singular game of football, nay, 5 combined minutes of play in that game of football?

Burn him!

But forming firm opinions on little to no evidence is what we do best!

 

[Dav1d]

Saw an article in today's Herald Sun that tries to show each team's run home.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...un-to-the-finals/story-fni5f22o-1226974052293

The bottom 8 teams looked like this (with Essendon in 10th on 12 wins):

11. West Coast 8-12
12. Richmond 7-15
13. Western Bulldogs 7-15
14. Carlton 5-17
15. Melbourne 5-17
16. GWS 5-17
17. Brisbane Lions 5-17
18. St Kilda 3-19

He has us winning against St Kilda and GWS. Entirely feasible I think, but it also wouldn't surprise me if we win a couple of other games, vs Essendon and North are not completely unrealistic.

Nonetheless, we should get pick 6 if it all works out that way, so at this early stage (and just based off write-ups, etc) I would view it in an early phantom draft as:

1. St Kilda - McCartin
Obvious pick. They have 2 young rucks, so go with a more pure KPF than Wright who is a Ruck/KPF. He suits them perfectly IMO.

2. Brisbane - Wright
Need a KPF badly, and is a pretty obvious selection too. Their mids are actually not bad at all, could be exciting times ahead for the Lions.

3. GWS - Durdin
Not 100% on this one, could go Petracca, but I think a KPD is their biggest deficiency, so why not get the best one available who is a top 5 pick on talent anyway.

4. Melbourne - Brayshaw
Didn't go with the contested beast in Wines a couple of years ago and it bit them on the bum. Should go with the proven man this time around.

5. Carlton - Goddard
Just feels right. I think the Blues will want a high-end KPF, and snatch Goddard from under our noses. Either him or Petracca.

6. WB - Petracca
Could go Duggan, but I think the allure of a big bodied mid will be too much for the recruiters to ignore. Will go any of the others above if available (i.e. if GWS take Petracca and Durdin is available, I think we would go Durdin).

If we finish ahead of Richmond though (and get pick 7), then I reckon Petracca will be gone and we will definitely get Duggan. WC to take Pickett.

I think Goddard would suit Carlton well, the KPPs haven't had a great championships so I could potentially see GWS going with a ready made Petracca
Melbourne as well, think Brayshaw would suit them well to (hoping that Frawley doesn't leave) Carlton just got a big bodied midfielder last year, so I'm thinking they'll go with Goddard or Durdin if he is there....I think it most likely will end up been Duggan, Petracca, Durdin, Brayshaw that we end up with

not sure if Dalrymple mentioned Durdin when talking about the KPPs; know he missed somebody (means nothing really)

Goddard isn't really a KPF, thinking of him more as a KPD who could go forward if desperate and this would mean Carlton could put Henderson back in the forward line

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I think Goddard would suit Carlton well, the KPPs haven't had a great championships so I could potentially see GWS going with a ready made Petracca
Melbourne as well, think Brayshaw would suit them well to (hoping that Frawley doesn't leave) Carlton just got a big bodied midfielder last year, so I'm thinking they'll go with Goddard or Durdin if he is there....I think it most likely will end up been Duggan, Petracca, Durdin, Brayshaw that we end up with

not sure if Dalrymple mentioned Durdin when talking about the KPPs; know he missed somebody (means nothing really)

Goddard isn't really a KPF, thinking of him more as a KPD who could go forward if desperate and this would mean Carlton could put Henderson back in the forward line

I didn't see Dally on TV, can someone upload it?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I think Goddard would suit Carlton well, the KPPs haven't had a great championships so I could potentially see GWS going with a ready made Petracca
Melbourne as well, think Brayshaw would suit them well to (hoping that Frawley doesn't leave) Carlton just got a big bodied midfielder last year, so I'm thinking they'll go with Goddard or Durdin if he is there....I think it most likely will end up been Duggan, Petracca, Durdin, Brayshaw that we end up with

not sure if Dalrymple mentioned Durdin when talking about the KPPs; know he missed somebody (means nothing really)

Goddard isn't really a KPF, thinking of him more as a KPD who could go forward if desperate and this would mean Carlton could put Henderson back in the forward line

Also mate in the 30 mins I saw (which clearly now makes me an expert) Lukas Cook(??) looked like a star. Is he highly rated?

 

[Dav1d]

Also mate in the 30 mins I saw (which clearly now makes me an expert) Lukas Cook(??) looked like a star. Is he highly rated?

you mean Lukas Webb?

plays for vic country, kicked 4 goals? set up 2-3 as well?

he isn't highly rated, he is a bit underrated
break out game for him though

Dal was only talking for about 30-40 seconds; just said the KPPs haven't been really putting up big numbers and seemed a bit disappointed to be honest

I really loved Cunico when he had the ball, not very evasive though and is real skinny
but if he put on some size, I think he'd go alright; all around classy user of the ball

Jackson Nelson is similar, but taller ...both solid kicks

Cordy had a quiet game and got well beat by Cripps at the start, then kept him quiet for the rest of the game

 

[Dav1d]

http://boundforglorynews.com/jourdan-canils-second-round-phantom-draft/

also

would love a Laverde or Vickers-Willis

 

[Pannalstaroz]

you mean Lukas Webb?

plays for vic country, kicked 4 goals? set up 2-3 as well?

he isn't highly rated, he is a bit underrated
break out game for him though

Dal was only talking for about 30-40 seconds; just said the KPPs haven't been really putting up big numbers and seemed a bit disappointed to be honest

I really loved Cunico when he had the ball, not very evasive though and is real skinny
but if he put on some size, I think he'd go alright; all around classy user of the ball

Jackson Nelson is similar, but taller ...both solid kicks

Cordy had a quiet game and got well beat by Cripps at the start, then kept him quiet for the rest of the game

Yes Webb. During the time II

you mean Lukas Webb?

plays for vic country, kicked 4 goals? set up 2-3 as well?

he isn't highly rated, he is a bit underrated
break out game for him though

Dal was only talking for about 30-40 seconds; just said the KPPs haven't been really putting up big numbers and seemed a bit disappointed to be honest

I really loved Cunico when he had the ball, not very evasive though and is real skinny
but if he put on some size, I think he'd go alright; all around classy user of the ball

Jackson Nelson is similar, but taller ...both solid kicks

Cordy had a quiet game and got well beat by Cripps at the start, then kept him quiet for the rest of the game

interesting he's not highly rated. The limited time I saw him he looked terrific. Good balance, awareness and kicks it well. I'll be interested to see if he gets drafted.

 

[Dav1d]

Yes Webb. During the time II

interesting he's not highly rated. The limited time I saw him he looked terrific. Good balance, awareness and kicks it well. I'll be interested to see if he gets drafted.

if he played consistent football and had a few big games, I don't see why he wouldn't
I'll be sure to keep an eye on him though when he goes back to the TAC now

 

[doggies ftw]

Is there any chance at all any of the top kpfs slide? Seems like all the talk is about these talls maybe being a bit overrated and compared to some of the KPFs taken high in recent drafts they're not quite on the same level. I really think all the teams that look likely to finish below us could all do with mids and even defenders just as much as they need forwards, besides probably Brissy who are actually building a pretty nice midfield. Wright really makes sense for Brisbane, they have a good crop of smalls and Wright/Leuenberger could be a fantastic combo. Other than that though, Melbourne and GWS are no brainers and must take best mids or Durdin (probably more GWS for Durdin but if Frawley leaves Melbourne could even use another key back too, but mids is their obvious need), St Kilda and Carlton could definitely both use key forwards but they also need mids and defenders pretty badly too, not in the position that they should be taking the kpfs just because they are kpfs even if they think theres other better prospects available.

Who knows just maybe one of those good talls falls to our pick, stranger things have happened, pretty unlikely though especially if we get a few more wins. Nothing would be better than getting a high quality tall through the draft and not having to rip our list apart trying to trade someone in.

Wishful thinking?

 

[Mofra]

If he wasn't a Cordy we wouldn't even be looking at him we also don't need him

Bulldust.

Recruiters look at hundreds of kids, and he blanketed the likely no 1 pick a few weeks ago despite giving up significant size advantage. Any kid would be assessed on that performance, especially by us considering we tend to weight rate of improvement during draft year higher than other clubs.

 

[scooter600x]

Bulldust.

Recruiters look at hundreds of kids, and he blanketed the likely no 1 pick a few weeks ago despite giving up significant size advantage. Any kid would be assessed on that performance, especially by us considering we tend to weight rate of improvement during draft year higher than other clubs.

Completely blanketed him except for the 6 goals he kicked.

 

[Mofra]

Completely blanketed him except for the 6 goals he kicked.

Reports here earlier said he kept him to 1 goal - link?

 

[Kony Abbott]

Saw an article in today's Herald Sun that tries to show each team's run home.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...un-to-the-finals/story-fni5f22o-1226974052293

The bottom 8 teams looked like this (with Essendon in 10th on 12 wins):

11. West Coast 8-12
12. Richmond 7-15
13. Western Bulldogs 7-15
14. Carlton 5-17
15. Melbourne 5-17
16. GWS 5-17
17. Brisbane Lions 5-17
18. St Kilda 3-19

He has us winning against St Kilda and GWS. Entirely feasible I think, but it also wouldn't surprise me if we win a couple of other games, vs Essendon and North are not completely unrealistic.

Nonetheless, we should get pick 6 if it all works out that way, so at this early stage (and just based off write-ups, etc) I would view it in an early phantom draft as:

1. St Kilda - McCartin
Obvious pick. They have 2 young rucks, so go with a more pure KPF than Wright who is a Ruck/KPF. He suits them perfectly IMO.

2. Brisbane - Wright
Need a KPF badly, and is a pretty obvious selection too. Their mids are actually not bad at all, could be exciting times ahead for the Lions.

3. GWS - Durdin
Not 100% on this one, could go Petracca, but I think a KPD is their biggest deficiency, so why not get the best one available who is a top 5 pick on talent anyway.

4. Melbourne - Brayshaw
Didn't go with the contested beast in Wines a couple of years ago and it bit them on the bum. Should go with the proven man this time around.

5. Carlton - Goddard
Just feels right. I think the Blues will want a high-end KPF, and snatch Goddard from under our noses. Either him or Petracca.

6. WB - Petracca
Could go Duggan, but I think the allure of a big bodied mid will be too much for the recruiters to ignore. Will go any of the others above if available (i.e. if GWS take Petracca and Durdin is available, I think we would go Durdin).

If we finish ahead of Richmond though (and get pick 7), then I reckon Petracca will be gone and we will definitely get Duggan. WC to take Pickett.

I think if GWS passed on Durdin then Carlton would take him in a heartbeat.

 

[Kony Abbott]

http://boundforglorynews.com/jourdan-canils-second-round-phantom-draft/

also

would love a Laverde or Vickers-Willis

Langford sounds good too.

 

[Hrovat24]

Reports here earlier said he kept him to 1 goal - link?

Was 6

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Saw an article in today's Herald Sun that tries to show each team's run home.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...un-to-the-finals/story-fni5f22o-1226974052293

The bottom 8 teams looked like this (with Essendon in 10th on 12 wins):

11. West Coast 8-12
12. Richmond 7-15
13. Western Bulldogs 7-15
14. Carlton 5-17
15. Melbourne 5-17
16. GWS 5-17
17. Brisbane Lions 5-17
18. St Kilda 3-19

He has us winning against St Kilda and GWS. Entirely feasible I think, but it also wouldn't surprise me if we win a couple of other games, vs Essendon and North are not completely unrealistic.

Nonetheless, we should get pick 6 if it all works out that way, so at this early stage (and just based off write-ups, etc) I would view it in an early phantom draft as:

1. St Kilda - McCartin
Obvious pick. They have 2 young rucks, so go with a more pure KPF than Wright who is a Ruck/KPF. He suits them perfectly IMO.

2. Brisbane - Wright
Need a KPF badly, and is a pretty obvious selection too. Their mids are actually not bad at all, could be exciting times ahead for the Lions.

3. GWS - Durdin
Not 100% on this one, could go Petracca, but I think a KPD is their biggest deficiency, so why not get the best one available who is a top 5 pick on talent anyway.

4. Melbourne - Brayshaw
Didn't go with the contested beast in Wines a couple of years ago and it bit them on the bum. Should go with the proven man this time around.

5. Carlton - Goddard
Just feels right. I think the Blues will want a high-end KPF, and snatch Goddard from under our noses. Either him or Petracca.

6. WB - Petracca
Could go Duggan, but I think the allure of a big bodied mid will be too much for the recruiters to ignore. Will go any of the others above if available (i.e. if GWS take Petracca and Durdin is available, I think we would go Durdin).

If we finish ahead of Richmond though (and get pick 7), then I reckon Petracca will be gone and we will definitely get Duggan. WC to take Pickett.

This scenario could all be pushed back in the event that Melbourne lose Frawley (which seems likely IMO).

1. St Kilda - McCartin
2. Brisbane - Wright
3. GWS - Durdin
4. Melbourne - Brayshaw
5. Melbourne - Goddard (even though I think he will drop).
6. Carlton - Petracca
7. Western Bulldogs - Duggan

I think Goddard would suit Carlton well, the KPPs haven't had a great championships so I could potentially see GWS going with a ready made Petracca
Melbourne as well, think Brayshaw would suit them well to (hoping that Frawley doesn't leave) Carlton just got a big bodied midfielder last year, so I'm thinking they'll go with Goddard or Durdin if he is there....I think it most likely will end up been Duggan, Petracca, Durdin, Brayshaw that we end up with

not sure if Dalrymple mentioned Durdin when talking about the KPPs; know he missed somebody (means nothing really)

Goddard isn't really a KPF, thinking of him more as a KPD who could go forward if desperate and this would mean Carlton could put Henderson back in the forward line

During the post-draft interview last year with our head recruiter (Shane Rogers) he indicated that during discussions regarding Cripps vs. McCarthy (who later went to GWS with the next pick IIRC?) that we were better off holding out and taking a tall in next years draft crop (2014), which would indicate that we are planning on going tall at our first pick.

However, in saying that - he has been known to bluff in the past, so I'm hoping for best available from our perspective one of either: McCartin, Wright, Durdin, Petracca, Brayshaw (in that order).