List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dav1d]

Geez, thats a good effort.

This is where downgrading our first to two lower first rounders could be good. Could potentially get someone like Duggan and McKenzie if he finishes the year well and pushes up the order.

McKenzie in the first round would be highly risky
Keitel maybe, if we done that
and then McKenzie in the second, Keitel could become a KPD
reads the play, very well

Kietel & Laverde, then McKenzie & Cordy

Lever & Duggan, then McKenzie & Cordy

still think GC will want more, especially if we pinch any more wins or Melbourne have Frawley leave and get another pick following their first
would push the pick up one and be less likely GC would get the player they want and if its Weller, its probable he is gone by their first pick

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Cameron Conlon

 

[AjsGuns]

Pretty much non-news considering most clubs would have done so as well, but anyway: we have met with Jake Lever

If we had pick 7/8 I'd be content with Lever tbh, I rate the top 5 all very close to each other (Petracca #1) then the next 10 you could throw a blanket over. Can't see GC trading their 2 picks for our pick just won't happen imo. Starting to warm to Laverde now reckon he will go top 10. Lever and Mckenzie would give us a KPD and a KPF though so i can see how it would be attractive.

Here is a write up from Chris25 on Reece Mckenzie, would be good if we could get a pick around 17-18 for him.

Reece McKenzie
Height: 196cm
Weight: 100kg
From: Northern Knights, Vic Metro
Position: Forward​

Fresh off a 10 goal haul in the TAC Cup yesterday, Reece McKenzie is next up on my list of profiles. He's a player who isn't getting a lot of exposure, but one that I rate highly. All season, I've had McKenzie as a top 5 key forward in this draft and a likely second round draft pick. But it seems not all agree.

I'll start with his game yesterday - 18 disposals, 13 marks (6 of those contested), three goal assists, 10 goals and 4 behinds. A total of 256 Supercoach points for those of you keeping score. It is without the doubt the best game he has played, and will probably end up as the individual performance of the 2014 TAC Cup season. Hopefully it's the game that sees him take his game to the next level consistently, but even that one game would likely be enough to get him drafted. Although having said that, his other games this season haven't been bad by any means. McKenzie had kicked 8 goals in 5 games leading into the match, switching between full forward and the ruck. It's been good to see him get a chance to stretch his legs, as opposed to playing out of the goal square all match. He has shown enough to suggest that pinch hitting could be in his future if needed.

Unfortunately, it hasn't all been good news for McKenzie this year. Through a combination of injury and competition for spots, he only managed the one game for Vic Metro in the U18 Championships this year. Which I did find a little odd. I understand that the likes of Wright and Moore will be picked first, but he deserved more game time and showed more than enough in his one game to get another. And further exposure at the top level would have been a real positive for his development too. He didn't play any TAC Cup football last year, as he chose to instead focus on basketball, so in the grand scheme of things he is still relatively raw as a player.

Despite a limited viewing sample this year, the reason I'm confident that McKenzie will get a chance come November is because he is essentially the template for what clubs are looking for in a key forward - over 195cm, strong body, contested marker, athletic. He isn't going to run all day from a CHF position, but his basketball background has given him quite decent agility for someone his size and weight. And it's the contested marking that will really make teams take notice. Roughly half his marks in the TAC Cup this year have been contested ones. And being able to clunk a mark like that isn't something you can really teach, which gives him a massive advantage.

But, McKenzie isn't a sure thing by any means. And in picking him, you are largely picking someone on potential with only flashes of performance. That's always a risk, and can go either way. Clubs are always going to back their development programs though. Otherwise, his kicking is where he lets himself down quite a bit. As I said before, he had kicked 8 goals in his 5 games before this weekend. But, he'd also kicked 8 behinds and finished with another 4 to go with his ten goal haul. He'll need to improve that if he is to truly be a focal point up forward, and while he seems to know his limitations during general game play, some of his field kicking could stand to improve too. And like all key position players, consistency and fading in and out of games has been a slight issue this year.

Personally, I tend to think a lot of his weaknesses will be ironed out with a good 2-3 years of development at an AFL club. It's then just a matter of whether it all clicks, or if he remains one of those potentially great forwards who never quite make it. In terms of draft position, I could see him going anywhere from the second to the third round. It's not a great draft for genuine full forwards - you have McCartin, Wright and then some of the Academy boys. It's why I rate McKenzie as the third or fourth best on the open market. And with a strong finish to the season, there is no reason he couldn't sneak into the top 20 like Michael Apeness did last year. Teams will pay for a player like him.

 

[Dav1d]

unless a club is really desperate for a tall early, I think he should go around our second round pick
Mason Shaw and Mitch Harvey showed a bit more and went around early second round

still hopeful we can downgrade our pick, into two

getting a Keitel/Lever + Laverde/Duggan + McKenzie would be a solid draft

if Higgins leaves and gets us end of first round
maybe we could give our first pick and the second round pick and take the 3 players & Cordy and wrap what should be a pretty solid draft
then hopefully get a bit of luck in the rookie draft as well

 

[Hrovat24]

unless a club is really desperate for a tall early, I think he should go around our second round pick
Mason Shaw and Mitch Harvey showed a bit more and went around early second round

still hopeful we can downgrade our pick, into two

getting a Keitel/Lever + Laverde/Duggan + McKenzie would be a solid draft

if Higgins leaves and gets us end of first round
maybe we could give our first pick and the second round pick and take the 3 players & Cordy and wrap what should be a pretty solid draft
then hopefully get a bit of luck in the rookie draft as well

our first pick patrecca , we lose Higgins and then receive Laverde our 2nd pick Mckenzie 3rd pick Cordy and we rookie foster and a good ball user with pace

 

[House_of_Dahl]

our first pick patrecca , we lose Higgins and then receive Laverde our 2nd pick Mckenzie 3rd pick Cordy and we rookie foster and a good ball user with pace

We'd be lucky!

 

[footyfan000001]

Do we really need a Petracca type? :S

 

[Dogsman16]

Do we really need a Petracca type? :S

I think we could, he without question has been the best performer of this years TAC/Championship season. However I wouldn't personally make a definative call on him until the screenings. Particularly interested to see his agility and 20 metre sprints times (who if i recall someone saying that he was in the top 1 or 2%) as well as his disposal and kicking skills. If he performs well enough then we just have to take him if he drops to our pick. If want an immediate impact from a draftee to boost us up the ladder next year, well then so far hes the man I'd take. Would automatically slot in as a flanker next year to start with and then see whether we throw him more inside as his career develops and as Boyd and Cooney come closer to retirement.

 

[Mofra]

Do we really need a Petracca type? :S

We need all the potential A graders we can get.

On pure need we clearly need a rebounder and a tall forward, but it's not like our list is in good shape and we only lack one or two ingredients.

 

[Wizard17]

http://boundforglorynews.com/under-18-national-championships-player-rankings/

 

[Dav1d]

http://boundforglorynews.com/under-18-national-championships-player-rankings/

Laverde is one that I really like if he can fix up his decision making
switching the ball with a floating kick into the middle of the ground, ain't something I want to see at AFL

who knows, he may be a bolter

 

[AjsGuns]

We need all the potential A graders we can get.

On pure need we clearly need a rebounder and a tall forward, but it's not like our list is in good shape and we only lack one or two ingredients.

Spot on, Can't pass up a A grade mid - Imagine Libba, Bonts, Macrae, Stringer and Petracca running through our midfield.
Reckon we can hopefully get Mckenzie with our 2nd rounder (KPF) and Cordy with our 3rd rounder anyway (although Cordy is more a lock down defender as opposed to a rebounding defender). I say we take the best available with our first pick, If we win both games vs Saints and GWS I see us finishing 6th (Rich should finish higher) throw in Melbournes extra pick for Frawey leaving and we get pick #7. I generally think who we take will be intriguing since all of the top 5 should be gone (McCartin, Wright, Petracca, Durdin and Brayshaw). Weller would be around pick 7 and looks like he will be a gun however I'd be shocked if we took him since he is a midfielder and a small one at that who is from QLD. Reckon Laverde would be a chance to get drafted to us with our first rounder. Maybe we take Pickett? Goddard? Lever? so many options!! I keep changing my mind every few weeks.

 

[Mofra]

Reckon Laverde would be a chance to get drafted to us with our first rounder. Maybe we take Pickett? Goddard? Lever? so many options!! I keep changing my mind every few weeks.

Lever is an interesting one - same size as Cordy, but by all accounts plays a totally different game - a tall rebounder type role that many believe Lachie Plowman will make his own (perhaps a Mackie type that runs the ball a bit more than merely kicks, given few can kick like Mackie).

I really do believe that our first pick will be best available regardless of type, noting that we don't believe such thing as an "inside midfielder" exists and Dalrymple is on record recently as saying he prefers quality over type.

 

[SCPaige]

This was written by SCPaige Today about Cam Conlon if he can get his Body Right Wowee
http://boundforglorynews.com/comeback-kid-cameron-conlon-three-years-in-the-making/

Cheers bud, appreciate the kind words. Cam is a great guy, he's had his hurdles but he's back on the park now and improving each week. He'll be a fantastic addition to any club, kid is a star.

 

[GrandBlue]

Alright, watched some of the recorded games & now formed a bit of an opinion.

Wright, McCartin, Brayshaw & Petracca will all be gone before our pick. I still think McCartin sliding is a possibility, but he's getting pumped up by the media & the public so much that it's kind of hard to see it happening.

Sam Durdin will be available if Richmond & Carlton finish above us.

 

[Dav1d]

Alright, watched some of the recorded games & now formed a bit of an opinion.

Wright, McCartin, Brayshaw & Petracca will all be gone before our pick. I still think McCartin sliding is a possibility, but he's getting pumped up by the media & the public so much that it's kind of hard to see it happening.

Sam Durdin will be available if Richmond & Carlton finish above us.

which of the midfielders did you like?

which games did you watch?

Sam Durdin had a real quiet last game, think he got it maybe 3 times

 

[TempleKelvington]

We need all the potential A graders we can get.

On pure need we clearly need a rebounder and a tall forward, but it's not like our list is in good shape and we only lack one or two ingredients.

we keep drafting good mids with size, then some of them can spill to half forward and half back.

 

[GrandBlue]

which of the midfielders did you like?

which games did you watch?

Sam Durdin had a real quiet last game, think he got it maybe 3 times

4th quarter of Metro vs WA & the first quarter & a half of SA vs Country. Still have a lot of catching up to do.

I still have no strong opinion on who we should take with our first round pick. Can't latch onto anyone at the moment, or at least not until I watch all 3 recordings.

All I know is that we're very likely to finish above Saints, GWS, Brisbane & Melbourne on the ladder, and should that be the case, I'm very very confident Petracca, McCartin, Wright & Brayshaw will be gone.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Cheers bud, appreciate the kind words. Cam is a great guy, he's had his hurdles but he's back on the park now and improving each week. He'll be a fantastic addition to any club, kid is a star.

Looks great from the footage, clubs can be a bit shy with kids who keep getting these types of injuries so it will be interesting to see how deep he goes.

 

[SCPaige]

It's interesting, because it's mostly been a bout of bad luck that he's had. Does a lay up at school, pops his knee. Gets tackled innocuously, pops a shoulder. I see him most weeks, so no doubt we'll see him start to string together some good footy over the next 4-6 weeks once he gets that touch and match fitness back.

 

[Dav1d]

4th quarter of Metro vs WA & the first quarter & a half of SA vs Country. Still have a lot of catching up to do.

I still have no strong opinion on who we should take with our first round pick. Can't latch onto anyone at the moment, or at least not until I watch all 3 recordings.

All I know is that we're very likely to finish above Saints, GWS, Brisbane & Melbourne on the ladder, and should that be the case, I'm very very confident Petracca, McCartin, Wright & Brayshaw will be gone.

SA vs Country was an awfully one sided game, I found Pickett really disappointing against Metro
but he made up for it against Country, he played everywhere
back, through the middle and up forward
still doesn't win much of the ball though and struggles with consistency
but his best is brilliant to watch

you going to watch the Div 2 games as well? Queensland vs NSW wasn't pretty to watch...

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

It's fortunate in that sense that it's just a run of bad luck and it's not some underlying soft tissue stuff.

Really hope he makes it, whether it's with us or not.

 

[Wizard17]

Did you see the disposal effeciency of Fox from tassies last game. 26 at 88% Yeah Laverde Is moving up as are a couple more like Ahern are moving up too. Caleb Daniel is no 1 stats wise and will still go 3rd round ot later cause he is tiny if he drops through completely I'd rookie him on talent alone regardless of his tinyness.

Laverde is one that I really like if he can fix up his decision making
switching the ball with a floating kick into the middle of the ground, ain't something I want to see at AFL

who knows, he may be a bolter

 

[Dav1d]

Did you see the disposal effeciency of Fox from tassies last game. 26 at 88% Yeah Laverde Is moving up as are a couple more like Ahern are moving up too. Caleb Daniel is no 1 stats wise and will still go 3rd round ot later cause he is tiny if he drops through completely I'd rookie him on talent alone regardless of his tinyness.

yeah, I have a few times see it

still need to watch him properly though, watched mostly Div 1
and some of the NSW/ACT vs Queensland game, when queensland couldn't execute a kick out of defense

 

[yebiga]

Honestly Caleb is a class above every player in this draft.
He is ready to go
Size is irrelevant. I would be amazed if he is not picked up late 1st, early second round