List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[dergert]

Wait! Do essendon get a compo pick at the end of first round?

 

[Igloo]

Wait! Do essendon get a compo pick at the end of first round?

Yep.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

but you understand my point? its like the old saying goes
there is more than one way to skin a cat

unless you're Dally and you are telling me that isn't an option

I don't know. I haven't addressed it with him, but giving up a top 5 pick for 2 inside 15 or 20 is, in my opinion foolhardy.

 

[Dav1d]

I don't know. I haven't addressed it with him, but giving up a top 5 pick for 2 inside 15 or 20 is, in my opinion foolhardy.

10 & 13? we probably will end up with 6 if Frawley leaves or Carlton falls below us
or end up with 7

wasn't necessarily suggesting just a straight swap either

and the players that will be at our first pick are no guaranteed chance to become quality AFL players
trading a pick for one not really that much lower and increasing our chances of at least getting one is hardly foolhardy

 

[timtamWB]

10 & 13? we probably will end up with 6 if Frawley leaves or Carlton falls below us
or end up with 7

wasn't necessarily suggesting just a straight swap either

and the players that will be at our first pick are no guaranteed chance to become quality AFL players
trading a pick for one not really that much lower and increasing our chances of at least getting one is hardly foolhardy

We said the exact same thing last year, would you trade Bontempelli for any two players that were taken below him? I wouldn't.

 

[Dav1d]

We said the exact same thing last year, would you trade Bontempelli for any two players that were taken below him? I wouldn't.

its different, the draft this year is much more even
granted there still is more of the year to be played out

the club won't ever progress anywhere if it isn't prepared to take some risks
(in this case, possibly missing out on a player they wanted)

 

[Scary_Foot_9]

I'm sure if Dalrymple's (or Dally's) opinion is the strength of the draft is in the teens and there isn't a player that we rate really highly at 6 or 7 we will look to move down (or up who knows, he might rate the top 4 and no one else) if the price isn't too exorbitant.

 

[Dav1d]

I'm sure if Dalrymple's (or Dally's) opinion is the strength of the draft is in the teens and there isn't a player that we rate really highly at 6 or 7 we will look to move down (or up who knows, he might rate the top 4 and no one else) if the price isn't too exorbitant.

If we don't downgrade with GC, I hope Clayton botches those picks up

but it would be a 4-5 (depending where we finish) pick downgrade and then another a few picks later
like you said, if we didn't rate any one but the players inside the first 4 and saw the draft as pretty even
it could be an option

not sure how we'd upgrade our first pick
perhaps we could get slight pick upgrades on some of our other picks

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Downgrading a pick and getting it wrong is almost as bad as picking up a player inside the top 5 and getting it wrong. Not many recruiters (nor clubs) would be willing to part with a top 6/7 pick unless it's part of a trade for a player that fills a need. Downgrading, whilst great in the hypothetical world of BF, has much greater ramifications in the real world, IMO. Remember these are highly paid people performing these recruiting roles who, I'm sure, would like to protect that employment.

I'd love examples of clubs who have downgraded their picks and it's worked better than the original pick would have.

 

[fronkalicious]

Downgrading a pick and getting it wrong is almost as bad as picking up a player inside the top 5 and getting it wrong. Not many recruiters (nor clubs) would be willing to part with a top 6/7 pick unless it's part of a trade for a player that fills a need. Downgrading, whilst great in the hypothetical world of BF, has much greater ramifications in the real world, IMO. Remember these are highly paid people performing these recruiting roles who, I'm sure, would like to protect that employment.

I'd love examples of clubs who have downgraded their picks and it's worked better than the original pick would have.

Salem and Tyson for Kelly?

 

[Dav1d]

Downgrading a pick and getting it wrong is almost as bad as picking up a player inside the top 5 and getting it wrong. Not many recruiters (nor clubs) would be willing to part with a top 6/7 pick unless it's part of a trade for a player that fills a need. Downgrading, whilst great in the hypothetical world of BF, has much greater ramifications in the real world, IMO. Remember these are highly paid people performing these recruiting roles who, I'm sure, would like to protect that employment.

I'd love examples of clubs who have downgraded their picks and it's worked better than the original pick would have.

I vaguely recall a few where its worked out and not just the recent ones
also not just the Salem/Tyson one (probably too early to call)

that is my point, we could fill two needs with two first rounders
see the talent will thin out very quickly by the time its reached our third round pick
our options for players based on needs would be very small

anyhow, I had a whole counter argument to some of your other points but I don't really wish to go back and forth
because I'm sure flaws could easily be found in anything I said and dismissed and it'll just be an endless cycle

I enjoy hearing your opinion (except name dropping Patton ) on the matter and completely understand where you're coming from and perhaps in past drafts I'd have even agreed with you
but in THIS draft, watching it very closely; I'd have to disagree (at least to a player puts his hand up and screams 'Pick Me') you know?

no option should be left unchecked and I know our recruitment team will definitely weigh up the pros and cons of each one

p.s- don't take offense to the Patton remarks; I hope we really get him to but I am not sure it is going to ever happen

 

[dergert]

Yep.

Why? I don't get it haha

 

[Igloo]

Why? I don't get it haha

I don't really know, exactly . It was just announced when their sanctions were announced.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Salem and Tyson for Kelly?

What David is proposing is 2 picks for 1. This was quite different. A 3 year pick 3 and pick 9. I thought of test one immediately but it's not the same.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I vaguely recall a few where its worked out and not just the recent ones
also not just the Salem/Tyson one (probably too early to call)

that is my point, we could fill two needs with two first rounders
see the talent will thin out very quickly by the time its reached our third round pick
our options for players based on needs would be very small

anyhow, I had a whole counter argument to some of your other points but I don't really wish to go back and forth
because I'm sure flaws could easily be found in anything I said and dismissed and it'll just be an endless cycle

I enjoy hearing your opinion (except name dropping Patton ) on the matter and completely understand where you're coming from and perhaps in past drafts I'd have even agreed with you
but in THIS draft, watching it very closely; I'd have to disagree (at least to a player puts his hand up and screams 'Pick Me') you know?

no option should be left unchecked and I know our recruitment team will definitely weigh up the pros and cons of each one

p.s- don't take offense to the Patton remarks; I hope we really get him to but I am not sure it is going to ever happen

I agree with Patton, I'm not confident, it's just every time I see him stand like Colossus under a high ball and catch, I dream and wonder....

And you also know I defer to your knowledge of the talent pool - you know I don't know as much as you, I'll just say that in a shallow pool where perhaps the talent isn't as strong (and the lack of enthusiasm around for this draft isn't big) I'd suggest that outside the top few the chances of getting an elite player isn't great (but you'd know more than me) so I'd reckon give yourself the best chance of getting it by coveting your top picks like gold dust.

 

[grassman75]

Someone posted on FB that dogs offered Patton $5 million over 5 years and he knocked them back. I'm assuming this was last yesr. Fool

 

[Dale4captain]

Someone posted on FB that dogs offered Patton $5 million over 5 years and he knocked them back. I'm assuming this was last yesr. Fool

King Carey said it apparently. He's done a bit of work with Patton this year too, so who knows.

 

[Some Idiot]

I agree with Patton, I'm not confident, it's just every time I see him stand like Colossus under a high ball and catch, I dream and wonder....

And you also know I defer to your knowledge of the talent pool - you know I don't know as much as you, I'll just say that in a shallow pool where perhaps the talent isn't as strong (and the lack of enthusiasm around for this draft isn't big) I'd suggest that outside the top few the chances of getting an elite player isn't great (but you'd know more than me) so I'd reckon give yourself the best chance of getting it by coveting your top picks like gold dust.

Elite players is pure luck. You get some from high picks and some from the most obscure picks (Grant, Hird, Lake + rookies etc.)
High draft picks make it the majority of the time, even if they aren't elite they are generally good players, so that's the main advantage of high draft picks.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Elite players is pure luck. You get some from high picks and some from the most obscure picks (Grant, Hird, Lake + rookies etc.)
High draft picks make it the majority of the time, even if they aren't elite they are generally good players, so that's the main advantage of high draft picks.

So you agree with me then?

 

[Some Idiot]

So you agree with me then?

In general yes, but depending on the specific draft, it could potentially be worth it.

 

[Dav1d]

2014 TAC Cup

https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR results at the bottom

 

[fronkalicious]

So we're all agreed we're drafting someone with surname L_v_r , possibly with another letter or 2? They're our 2 guys at this stage?

 

[Dav1d]

So we're all agreed we're drafting someone with surname L_v_r , possibly with another letter or 2? They're our 2 guys at this stage?

maybe even Durdin, maybe Goddard, maybe Marchbank

any of the 5 would probably serve us well

never been a big fan of Goddard (as a forward mostly)
but as a defender, 1v1 he stops the impacts of the best forward and has athleticism and size to compete with the big lugs or athletic type key forwards

 

[Aldo]

So we're all agreed we're drafting someone with surname L_v_r , possibly with another letter or 2? They're our 2 guys at this stage?

They're definitely my favourites at that pick at this stage. Reckon Macca would love Lever.

 

[Wizard17]

Fox named in the bests for Tassie in there win.