List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[TBOW]

Wright slipping to us is fantasy stuff. I still think he wil go ahead of McCartin.

Unfortunately I don't think we will finish below the blues either- we would need to lose to either GWS here or St.Kilda or they would need to beat 2 of Gold Coast, Port (away), Geelong & Essendon.
So we might not be able to get Mckenzie in the 2nd round either if they are interested.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dannnnnnnnnn, going back 12 months ago before Lever did his ACL, who did you think was the better player as a defender, Lever or Durdin?

Said defender because I know Durdin has the flexibility that Lever doesn't.

It's tough because they're quite different players; while both are capable of offense and defense Durdin is more your "lockdown" tall defender, while Lever is more an attacking type that really moves off his man, cuts off possession and looks to rebound.

I think I'd have to go for Durdin, but it would be very close. I'm very keen on both.

 

[Super Hans]

Wright slipping to us is fantasy stuff. I still think he wil go ahead of McCartin.

Unfortunately I don't think we will finish below the blues either- we would need to lose to either GWS here or St.Kilda or they would need to beat 2 of Gold Coast, Port (away), Geelong & Essendon.
So we might not be able to get Mckenzie in the 2nd round either if they are interested.

At this stage I'd back Carlton to beat Port and Essendon (who they will get up for). Gonna be tight either way, reality is we will have the chance to draft a good player either way.

 

[Super Hans]

It's tough because they're quite different players; while both are capable of offense and defense Durdin is more your "lockdown" tall defender, while Lever is more an attacking type that really moves off his man, cuts off possession and looks to rebound.

I think I'd have to go for Durdin, but it would be very close. I'm very keen on both.

Hmmmm, I agree that Durdin is a better player.

I think Lever is almost the perfect player for our defence though. Especially considering I expect Marchbank to slide to our second pick, like previous KPD's rated highly (Gardiner, Clurey, Talia).

 

[True Dog]

Wright slipping to us is fantasy stuff. I still think he wil go ahead of McCartin.

Unfortunately I don't think we will finish below the blues either- we would need to lose to either GWS here or St.Kilda or they would need to beat 2 of Gold Coast, Port (away), Geelong & Essendon.
So we might not be able to get Mckenzie in the 2nd round either if they are interested.

Easy fixed dude, we take him with our first selection.......Next

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Hmmmm, I agree that Durdin is a better player.

I think Lever is almost the perfect player for our defence though. Especially considering I expect Marchbank to slide to our second pick, like previous KPD's rated highly (Gardiner, Clurey, Talia).

I'm sort of in two minds about what we need in defense. On the one hand, it's often on the lead that we get killed, so a quick, attacking player will have an impact filling space. On the other, I don't think Roughead or Austin are the answers to our premiership puzzle in the back line and the MC seem unwilling to give Roberts/Talia a shot any time soon. I think I'd prefer a key tall but Lever is also a very nice player.

I'd be very surprised if Marchbank slides that far but it doesn't mean he won't. Talia always struggled with his disposal, there were concerns over whether Gardiner could take a key post at AFL level, and Clurey was a decent way back. Point is that there were very genuine concerns about aspects of their game that made them slide and I don't see it with Marchbank. By no means a perfect player, of course, but I don't see enough holes in his game to justify a big slide. After compo picks and such that second pick is likely to fall at around 27, and I see Marchbank slotting comfortably within the 8-20 bracket.

 

[Reptilia]

Hey guys. Sorry if this is a stupid question...

How many players that are successful rebounding defenders in the AFL were actually recruited for that specific role as juniors?

Were players like Birchall and Mackie recruited for that.. or they were recruited for a more basic type role like being a standard defender and these players just evolved into the rebounding type of player?

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

Easy fixed dude, we take him with our first selection.......Next

Surely you joke, struggling to get around him as a second rounder and you are suggesting we pick him as a 1st rounder.

Goddard if available should be our first pick. I think he can make a terrific key forward, I know he can make a top class backman.

 

[Mofra]

How many players that are successful rebounding defenders in the AFL were actually recruited for that specific role as juniors?

McDonald from North would be the most recent example - Kolo from GC as well.

Lachie Plowman is regarded as a rebounder despite his height.

 

[doggies ftw]

Whoops forgot about LaVerde, he's definatley a Dalrymple type (fits in with the Macrae/Bont mould).

I would include him within the mix of Ahern/Marchbank/Lever/Goddard, but I think if the reports of him growing up to 191 cm are true and he performs well at the Combine, he'd be one of the bolters that could push into the top 5.

Laverdes grown to 191? Wow he just fits our recent recruiting so well. And happens to have the two things our midfield lacks the most in pace and disposal. Bonts, Stringer, Macrae and Laverde is just such a good, versatile bunch of 190+cm mids, they all compliment each other perfectly. Providing his attitude meets our requirements and all the top talls are off the board, I just can't see us passing him up.

 

[doggies ftw]

Whoops forgot about LaVerde, he's definatley a Dalrymple type (fits in with the Macrae/Bont mould).

I would include him within the mix of Ahern/Marchbank/Lever/Goddard, but I think if the reports of him growing up to 191 cm are true and he performs well at the Combine, he'd be one of the bolters that could push into the top 5.

Laverdes grown to 191? Wow he just fits our recent recruiting so well. And happens to have the two things our midfield lacks the most in pace and disposal. Bonts, Stringer, Macrae and Laverde is just such a good, versatile bunch of 190+cm mids, they all compliment each other perfectly. Providing his attitude meets our requirements and all the top talls are off the board, I just can't see us passing him up.

 

[Dav1d]

Laverdes grown to 191? Wow he just fits our recent recruiting so well. And happens to have the two things our midfield lacks the most in pace and disposal. Bonts, Stringer, Macrae and Laverde is just such a good, versatile bunch of 190+cm mids, they all compliment each other perfectly. Providing his attitude meets our requirements and all the top talls are off the board, I just can't see us passing him up.

a big tank wouldn't hurt either

looks like he'd pack on the muscle as well, has got the broad shoulders

 

[VitalDread]

I posted this on the Carlton board initially - but I figured its more useful here:

I a great conversation with a good Bulldogs source and reading between the lines - I'm pretty certain that the Bulldogs will be putting in a bid for Lions Academy player Matt Hammelmann.

Dalrymple is a fan.

Can you please stay here full time

 

[VitalDread]

Dannnnnnnnnn, going back 12 months ago before Lever did his ACL, who did you think was the better player as a defender, Lever or Durdin?

Said defender because I know Durdin has the flexibility that Lever doesn't.

Wasn't Durdin used more as a forward 12 months ago?

 

[VitalDread]

Also we are set to interview McCartin again this week.

 

[VitalDread]

Easy fixed dude, we take him with our first selection.......Next

We have picks 27 this year and if higgins leaves we get pick 26

 

[True Dog]

Surely you joke, struggling to get around him as a second rounder and you are suggesting we pick him as a 1st rounder.

Goddard if available should be our first pick. I think he can make a terrific key forward, I know he can make a top class backman.

I'm serious to a point... If we think that this kid has the greatest up side of any of the KPF then why not? From all accounts he's a big strong contested mark that can kick goals, bags of them... From what I've seen of the others (given it is limited) I reckon he'll go earlier than most think... Don't get me wrong, I'd kill for Petracca or Laverde with our first pick and McKenzie with our second but I can't see it happening...

This time last year nobody had Bonts as a top 4 pick ..Nobody!! Hell there were some that didn't even have him as a first round selection? Even 2 weeks before the draft he was a long shot and a big gamble?

We need to be daring, and we need to fill that void on our list and this kid could seriously do it...Who knows we might save ourselves 5 million bucks......

 

[Dogsman16]

I'm serious to a point... If we think that this kid has the greatest up side of any of the KPF then why not? From all accounts he's a big strong contested mark that can kick goals, bags of them... From what I've seen of the others (given it is limited) I reckon he'll go earlier than most think... Don't get me wrong, I'd kill for Petracca or Laverde with our first pick and McKenzie with our second but I can't see it happening...

This time last year nobody had Bonts as a top 4 pick ..Nobody!! Hell there were some that didn't even have him as a first round selection? Even 2 weeks before the draft he was a long shot and a big gamble?

We need to be daring, and we need to fill that void on our list and this kid could seriously do it...Who knows we might save ourselves 5 million bucks......

Instead I'd looking to trade down our first pick for maybe even a GC player + pick 10 or there other first rounder and more preferably to improve the quality of the player GC can give us, or even their first 2 picks which would be around 10 and 15 but we might have to add something else to the pot in addition to our pick 5. Take Goddard at 10 and McKenzie at 15 if his stocks continue to rise at the rate it is. If he is gone however, I would just use pick 15 on duggan or another first rounder who could slide to our pick.

This trade/draft scenario I suggest I would only want to do if (and thats a big if) Frawley's compo pick lands melbourne another top 5 pick pushing our first rounder down to at least 6. Safe to say all of Wright, McCartin, Petrecca and Durdin will all be going in top 5, leaving us with 6 potential options at 5 which could include (Ahern, Lever, Laverde, Pickett, Goddard, Marchbank etc) Prefer to split our assets as snaffle the leftovers of those potential pick 6 players and leave us in addition pick 15 to go at McKenzie or another KPP.

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

Laverdes grown to 191? Wow he just fits our recent recruiting so well. And happens to have the two things our midfield lacks the most in pace and disposal. Bonts, Stringer, Macrae and Laverde is just such a good, versatile bunch of 190+cm mids, they all compliment each other perfectly. Providing his attitude meets our requirements and all the top talls are off the board, I just can't see us passing him up.

I have seen Laverde at least a dozen times over the season, I like him as a player and I am very confident he will be a first round pick. That said after 4 rounds he was considered 5th pick of the Jets boys by at least 2 clubs. By Nationals he was still down the list, at Nationals he was out of the side for the second last game until a boy pulled out on the day of the game. Played well and then played a terrific game in the last metro game.

What he does well is the spectacular mark, he is bold in taking on the game, he will run hard to make position and most all he doesn't get overawed in the big games. This is critical if you want to succeed in the AFL.

What needs improving, he doesn't get enough of the ball, he floats in and out of games, sometimes not getting a touch for a quarter. He is not a midfielder, he will be a wingman or a high forward when he starts his AFL career.

He is not like Bonti, nor is he like McCrae, he is not a Libba or Wallis. He may frustrate and he may thrill in some ways he reminds me of Jim Edmond, with a little more speed.

 

[Dav1d]

I have seen Laverde at least a dozen times over the season, I like him as a player and I am very confident he will be a first round pick. That said after 4 rounds he was considered 5th pick of the Jets boys by at least 2 clubs. By Nationals he was still down the list, at Nationals he was out of the side for the second last game until a boy pulled out on the day of the game. Played well and then played a terrific game in the last metro game.

What he does well is the spectacular mark, he is bold in taking on the game, he will run hard to make position and most all he doesn't get overawed in the big games. This is critical if you want to succeed in the AFL.

What needs improving, he doesn't get enough of the ball, he floats in and out of games, sometimes not getting a touch for a quarter. He is not a midfielder, he will be a wingman or a high forward when he starts his AFL career.

He is not like Bonti, nor is he like McCrae, he is not a Libba or Wallis. He may frustrate and he may thrill in some ways he reminds me of Jim Edmond, with a little more speed.

so a bit like Will Hoskin-Elliot would you say?

why I said that I hope he also has a big tank, is because he might not be capable to play in the midfield right now; like you said
because of his endurance, would be hoping he does; the same as St Kilda do with Billings

out of Bonti and Macrae, I'd say Laverde would be the fastest
doesn't outmaneuver players in heavy traffic like they did though at junior level

can only be a good thing to have plenty of options at our first pick, especially if Melbourne get that compo pick

a concern with McKenzie is he just got back into football and has played this year, would be difficult to estimate his rate of improvement
with limited information
and regarding his results, does anyone know the quality of opposition (key defenders) that were on him? (obviously the recruiters all would )
this is why I was keen to see him play more during the Metro games ..but they dropped him

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

Hoskin-Elliot is a very good comparison, Laverde is physically stronger and a very similar mark, both take the game on and a similar kicks. Hoskin-Elliot is a little quicker and found more of the ball in the TAC cup.
Laverde is more confident in his ability and maybe that rare type of player who improves as the competition gets better. Still they are similar in many ways.

 

[VitalDread]

personally, i would like them to rookie draft the hayes twins
from seeing them playbin the vfl and standing their ground
so much potentinal

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Can you please stay here full time

Well I've been on the Carlton board for 9 years - so Ill be a free agent come October.

Make me an offer

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Laverdes grown to 191? Wow he just fits our recent recruiting so well. And happens to have the two things our midfield lacks the most in pace and disposal. Bonts, Stringer, Macrae and Laverde is just such a good, versatile bunch of 190+cm mids, they all compliment each other perfectly. Providing his attitude meets our requirements and all the top talls are off the board, I just can't see us passing him up.

I don't know for sure whether or not its true - just some Jets speculation.

If he does move up in height and does reasonably well at the Combine, I can see him being this years Bontempelli/Macrae as a bolter into the first tier which would result in one of the other top 5 to slip out.

 

[doggies ftw]

I don't know for sure whether or not its true - just some Jets speculation.

If he does move up in height and does reasonably well at the Combine, I can see him being this years Bontempelli/Macrae as a bolter into the first tier which would result in one of the other top 5 to slip out.

Yeah that would be nice, as long as it allows a tall to slip out!