List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dav1d]

1st round: Liam Duggan
2nd round: Zane Cordy (f/s)
3rd 4th 5th: Tall forwards who can mark and kick goals.

Ouch, that would be a disaster of a draft

 

[naydo1]

Ouch, that would be a disaster of a draft

Luck I'm not the recruiter then! We wont have a top 5 pick? so who do you suggest? Hopefully one of the Key position players slide but I think there will be others in the later rounds that will be just as good.

 

[Dav1d]

Luck I'm not the recruiter then! We wont have a top 5 pick? so who do you suggest? Hopefully one of the Key position players slide but I think there will be others in the later rounds that will be just as good.

I more meant Zaine in the second round, sheesh
That would be paying way overs for two players, Duggan is more in the 10-15 range and we'll likely have pick 5

Thats why I think it'd be a disaster, I'm hoping we either trade up or down but I do agree there will be some KPP come later in the draft that could be worth a look though

 

[naydo1]

I more meant Zaine in the second round, sheesh
That would be paying way overs for two players, Duggan is more in the 10-15 range and we'll likely have pick 5

Thats why I think it'd be a disaster, I'm hoping we either trade up or down but I do agree there will be some KPP come later in the draft that could be worth a look though

Zane is meant to be one of the best fullbacks the Geelong Falcons coach has seen tho and I was just thinking 2nd round but id take him with the 4th or 5th if we can!

Well if we have pick 5 I hope we can get Durdin, Wright or Goddard. But I'm thinking they will all be gone so I'd take the best speedy midfielder/ rebounding defender with the cleanest skills first, now that Murphy is getting older and we have noone else off half back( Higgens will move forward). Thats why I thought Duggan but if hes meant to go 10-15 don't even bother! McCartin is a worry with his issues, i would not take him at all.

Hopefully there is!

 

[Dav1d]

Zane is meant to be one of the best fullbacks the Geelong Falcons coach has seen tho and I was just thinking 2nd round but id take him with the 4th or 5th if we can!

Well if we have pick 5 I hope we can get Durdin, Wright or Goddard. But I'm thinking they will all be gone so I'd take the best speedy midfielder/ rebounding defender with the cleanest skills first, now that Murphy is getting older and we have noone else off half back( Higgens will move forward). Thats why I thought Duggan but if hes meant to go 10-15 don't even bother! McCartin is a worry with his issues, i would not take him at all.

Hopefully there is!

He meant that he has seen come through the club and he talks up all of his players to be honest
Talked up Dahlhaus and he went in the rookie draft
but anyway, Emma Quayle said Zaine likely goes in the 3rd or fourth; depending how much he does this year because
he has been pretty quiet up until this year because of injuries and such

personally I'd rather Pickett in that case, but maybe we will upgrade our pick to ensure we get a KPF; I mean, its not like GWS need to continue getting more and they will probably fall below us and still get a player they like at our pick...so

don't get me wrong, that I think Duggan will be a good player but there will some other skilled mids/hbf at our second rounder to

 

[naydo1]

He meant that he has seen come through the club and he talks up all of his players to be honest
Talked up Dahlhaus and he went in the rookie draft
but anyway, Emma Quayle said Zaine likely goes in the 3rd or fourth; depending how much he does this year because
he has been pretty quiet up until this year because of injuries and such

personally I'd rather Pickett in that case, but maybe we will upgrade our pick to ensure we get a KPF; I mean, its not like GWS need to continue getting more and they will probably fall below us and still get a player they like at our pick...so

don't get me wrong, that I think Duggan will be a good player but there will some other skilled mids/hbf at our second rounder to

Yeah but Dahl would now be a first round pick... I guess he talked up Gardiner last year tho. Yeah well hopefully we don't have to give up to much for him. Yeah I'm hoping we can upgrade our pick as well and pick up a good player with our second round as well! Yeah Pickett seems good but will he want to go home after 2 years? seems a bit risky but could be worth it!

 

[Dav1d]

Yeah but Dahl would now be a first round pick... I guess he talked up Gardiner last year tho. Yeah well hopefully we don't have to give up to much for him. Yeah I'm hoping we can upgrade our pick as well and pick up a good player with our second round as well! Yeah Pickett seems good but will he want to go home after 2 years? seems a bit risky but could be worth it!

Well we need to become a club that is good at retaining talent and Pickett is a talented player and is exciting with good foot skills

Need lots of young talented players with good foot skills, for the midfield and for the backline

especially if something was to happen with Higgins, (injury, traded, leaves via f/a)

and I wouldn't be overly concerned on Zaine at this stage and some opposition supporters would argue that Dahlhaus wouldn't be worth a first round pick, but bugger them

 

[naydo1]

Well we need to become a club that is good at retaining talent and Pickett is a talented player and is exciting with good foot skills

Need lots of young talented players with good foot skills, for the midfield and for the backline

especially if something was to happen with Higgins, (injury, traded, leaves via f/a)

and I wouldn't be overly concerned on Zaine at this stage and some opposition supporters would argue that Dahlhaus wouldn't be worth a first round pick, but bugger them

Yes we do indeed! Good points mate! I'm hoping we can have some success this draft and for the future! Every team would love a Dahlhaus, they are just jealous!

 

[Wizard17]

Maybe we can go with 5 Rookies next year instead of 4. Use 2 places for KPF's (one who can chop out in the ruck, Foster the other) one for a KPD and two for midfielders (Drummond and Grace please). This way they can fight for the upgrade at the start of the year to get on the primary list and hopefully this competition will help them come along a bit quicker.

 

[Wizard17]

Well we need to become a club that is good at retaining talent and Pickett is a talented player and is exciting with good foot skills

Need lots of young talented players with good foot skills, for the midfield and for the backline

especially if something was to happen with Higgins, (injury, traded, leaves via f/a)

and I wouldn't be overly concerned on Zaine at this stage and some opposition supporters would argue that Dahlhaus wouldn't be worth a first round pick, but bugger them

Yeah I'd try and get a genuine 40 disposal winner who can kick elitely (80% mark) for the midfield group (hence why I like Taylor Grace) and a elite kick off halfback that works well as a defender too (Viojo-Rainbow is the one).

 

[Dav1d]

Yeah I'd try and get a genuine 40 disposal winner who can kick elitely (80% mark) for the midfield group (hence why I like Taylor Grace) and a elite kick off halfback that works well as a defender too (Viojo-Rainbow is the one).

have you seen any of Taylor Grace? I hear inconsistent reports on the guy that hes an 'elite' kick and sometimes a very random kick

and I've always thought that I'd rather the guy who gets 15 touches and sets up the team then the guy who gets 40 'cheap' disposals

 

[Wizard17]

have you seen any of Taylor Grace? I hear inconsistent reports on the guy that hes an 'elite' kick and sometimes a very random kick

and I've always thought that I'd rather the guy who gets 15 touches and sets up the team then the guy who gets 40 'cheap' disposals

He's running at 80% atm I don't see what is so erratic about that. Seems to me that the same thing that happened to Langdon and look at him now. A lot of good player's miss out this way because of misinformation by people. They called Dahl slow and a bad kick too remember? May also depend on the conditions and where the player is playing too. Getting 40 possessions and 25 having been won on his own (others where handball receives) doesn't bother me especially since he was of the only mids from Sandy that did anything on the weekend, Yes we need a play maker but I'd also like a guy who can get plenty of ball in the middle and use it well enough to hit up our forwards lace out instead of kicking it so high it hits the roof or scrubbing it along the ground, if he can kick goals even better. I'll have to wait for videos of these guys to be 100% certain but he looks a good fit. I still had a 15 touch winner mentioned btw it is just you can't have too many of those sort of players or else you get beaten by volume of possessions against you rather than skill, it is a balancing act beaten ball winners and skilllful users a 40 disposal guy who kicks at 80% are worth their weight in platinum (gold is too cheap) as are the 's of this world. If we balance the mixture then we have the best midfield in the comp.

Guys who get cheap disposals are like Lachie Weller who gets way too much ball from it, hence why I don't rate him as a top 15 pick despite other talents. if you win more that 40% of the ball by handball receives it is a serious problem especially if it is done consistently, that is what I define as 'cheap disposals'. That or getting it and using it like Boyd or Wallis so that they are completely meaningless in the game.

 

[Dav1d]

Guys who get cheap disposals are like Lachie Weller who gets way too much ball from it, hence why I don't rate him as a top 15 pick despite other talents. if you win more that 40% of the ball by handball receives it is a serious problem especially if it is done consistently, that is what I define as 'cheap disposals'. That or getting it and using it like Boyd or Wallis so that they are completely meaningless in the game.

Jury is still out for me until I see him play, I don't care if he had a 100 disposal game because its all about how his body would cope with AFL and how his game would transfer over, honestly a player with a 9 disposal average could turn out to be the next Ablett and the 40 disposal player could turn into the next Veszpremi

I get what you're saying about the handball receives though, I think those players have their place to

 

[Wizard17]

Jury is still out for me until I see him play, I don't care if he had a 100 disposal game because its all about how his body would cope with AFL and how his game would transfer over, honestly a player with a 9 disposal average could turn out to be the next Ablett and the 40 disposal player could turn into the next Veszpremi

I get what you're saying about the handball receives though, I think those players have their place to

It is a worry though sometimes players get the ball handed to them in the juniors and when they move up they get completely lost. A player like Weller wouldn't fit what Macca wants in his game plan though so I doubt our recruiters will touch him, will have to find some footage though but we really don't like recruiting pure 'outside' mids. Still see guys like Rainbow getting a chance though because he is not very one dimensional.

 

[Dav1d]

It is a worry though sometimes players get the ball handed to them in the juniors and when they move up they get completely lost. A player like Weller wouldn't fit what Macca wants in his game plan though so I doubt our recruiters will touch him, will have to find some footage though but we really don't like recruiting pure 'outside' mids. Still see guys like Rainbow getting a chance though because he is not very one dimensional.

Viojo-Rainbow also takes a lot of marks and is a bigger body
I thought the other players looked quite tiny in comparison and you seen Drummond's footage? Really quick and a high volume tackler
Sounds very Macca type

 

[Wizard17]

Viojo-Rainbow also takes a lot of marks and is a bigger body
I thought the other players looked quite tiny in comparison and you seen Drummond's footage? Really quick and a high volume tackler
Sounds very Macca type

Yes hence why I had the 5 Rookie idea, we pit the two 19yo's against one another (and the other rookies) and upgrade the one that shows the most in the preseason.

 

[Dav1d]

Yes hence why I had the 5 Rookie idea, we pit the two 19yo's against one another (and the other rookies) and upgrade the one that shows the most in the preseason.

could we have 5 rookies?

the reason I keep hyping up Drummond is he reminds me of Darcy Lang quite a bit who we were supposed to like quite a lot, Lang and Amon; before they were both taken well before our third rounder because we picked up Crameri of course

both are fast from a standing start, hard tackler and good outside and good in tight, Drummond has a much bigger build though and reminds me somewhere between Nathan Jones & Patrick Dangerfield

 

[Sharkey66]

1st round: Liam Duggan
2nd round: Zane Cordy (f/s)
3rd 4th 5th: Tall forwards who can mark and kick goals.

I dare say that if these guys could mark and kick goals they wouldn't be available as the would be drafted a bit higher than the 3rd 4th and 5th rounds. You might get lucky and find a gem, but three would be a bit of a stretch i think.

 

[Dav1d]

I dare say that if these guys could mark and kick goals they wouldn't be available as the would be drafted a bit higher than the 3rd 4th and 5th rounds. You might get lucky and find a gem, but three would be a bit of a stretch i think.

I think 3 would be a bit overboard but there will definitely be some KPFs come later in the draft, they'll likely have some faults in their game
but maybe we might a hidden gem somewhere late

also on another note

shows some snippets of the Metro players and 1 of McCartin taking a contested mark

 

[Dav1d]

also Terry Wallaces rolling draft 1-10

put in Petracca to tease Essendon what they may of missed out on

 

[Wizard17]

also Terry Wallaces rolling draft 1-10

put in Petracca to tease Essendon what they may of missed out on

I like Wright a 5 though

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I'd be very happy with Wright
Or Goddard
Or Lamb
or any of the key forwards projected in the top 10.
Heck, any key forward full stop.

 

[Dav1d]

I'd be very happy with Wright
Or Goddard
Or Lamb
or any of the key forwards projected in the top 10.
Heck, any key forward full stop.

I don't think of Lamb as a Key Forward, more of a third tall that could go on the wing
still very talented however; but heck any of the rest would be decent gets

 

[Wizard17]

I don't think of Lamb as a Key Forward, more of a third tall that could go on the wing
still very talented however; but heck any of the rest would be decent gets

What we need is a genuine goal kicker above 193cm.

Edit: how do you post Youtube video's on here I keep on failing for some reason or another

 

[Dav1d]

What we need is a genuine goal kicker above 193cm.

If we get Wright, I'll be calling him the next Tippett vII

I hope no-one expects a KPF to come straight in and kick 50 goals though, but he'd be a good get because
he is already a big lad; I don't think St Kilda could pass up on him, but I suppose you never know and Terry Wallace would have some idea
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