List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dav1d]

Well Dav1d Payne did play the other day. He had 26 disposal and had 13 marks must of been playing really high cause he didn't kick a goal.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/round_info.cgi?a=MATCH&fixture=124158208&c=1-3020-0-294694-0&pool=1

yeah I saw that
must be in his contract if we sign him, that he keeps that mustache

 

[Wizard17]

Him playing high forward and Foster deep

yeah I saw that
must be in his contract if we sign him, that he keeps that mustache

 

[_M_16_]

I'm still wanting to pull a Durdin, Lever, Marchbank double. McCartin and Petracca are my dream picks, and I like the look of Laverde as well, and won't complain at getting him as he has a high ceiling like Macrae and Bontempelli do. It's a matter of how much higher we feel he can go.

Hypothetically, say we get a second band compensation for Higgins. And say we traded up one of our second round picks into the first round. And say that Marchbank slips, which is possible. And assume we went, and did get all three, it is actually very possible to pull off. Durdin, Lever and Marchbank.

Would you call that a bold or stupid move? To many players of a similar type, or a smart move at stocking up depth and talent to work with defensively for the next few years and create competition and possible solve our depth problem in one hit? All are capable of being solid contributors, and can play one on one, and find the ball as well.

No reason why all of those three, or three of the five out of Durdin, Lever, Marchbank, Talia, Roberts cannot be in the same backline, as they are all around the Medium/Tall range, and we'd still have a couple of small nuggets around them.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I'm still wanting to pull a Durdin, Lever, Marchbank double. McCartin and Petracca are my dream picks, and I like the look of Laverde as well, and won't complain at getting him as he has a high ceiling like Macrae and Bontempelli do. It's a matter of how much higher we feel he can go.

Hypothetically, say we get a second band compensation for Higgins. And say we traded up one of our second round picks into the first round. And say that Marchbank slips, which is possible. And assume we went, and did get all three, it is actually very possible to pull off. Durdin, Lever and Marchbank.

Would you call that a bold or stupid move? To many players of a similar type, or a smart move at stocking up depth and talent to work with defensively for the next few years and create competition and possible solve our depth problem in one hit? All are capable of being solid contributors, and can play one on one, and find the ball as well.

No reason why all of those three, or three of the five out of Durdin, Lever, Marchbank, Talia, Roberts cannot be in the same backline, as they are all around the Medium/Tall range, and we'd still have a couple of small nuggets around them.

I wouldn't say it's stupid; Durdin and Lever are flexible enough to play in other positions, and the three would work well together as a back line (although I disagree that they can be in the same back line as Roberts and Talia).

That said, the chances of us getting Durdin and Lever are next to zero. Lever won't slide far, injured or not.

 

[_M_16_]

I wouldn't say it's stupid; Durdin and Lever are flexible enough to play in other positions, and the three would work well together as a back line (although I disagree that they can be in the same back line as Roberts and Talia).

That said, the chances of us getting Durdin and Lever are next to zero. Lever won't slide far, injured or not.

Thanks for the reply Dan. And true, but I meant three out of all those five guys, not all five at once. All comes down to who develops the best out of all five of them, it would be a good competition to see, and our VFL team would benefit as well

You're right about Lever, hence I said we would have to trade one of those picks back into the first round, which is probably not to hard to do, as most teams with late picks are more open to trading back a little, if they get something out of it, as there is generally not that big a gap in talent between a mid teens pick and an early 20's pick, depending on the draft and team needs.

Where do you see Lever slipping to at the latest? We known he could still easily go in the pick 5-8 range if a team valued him enough, injury or not.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Thanks for the reply Dan. And true, but I meant three out of all those five guys, not all five at once. All comes down to who develops the best out of all five of them, it would be a good competition to see, and our VFL team would benefit as well

You're right about Lever, hence I said we would have to trade one of those picks back into the first round, which is probably not to hard to do, as most teams with late picks are more open to trading back a little, if they get something out of it, as there is generally not that big a gap in talent between a mid teens pick and an early 20's pick, depending on the draft and team needs.

Where do you see Lever slipping to at the latest? We known he could still easily go in the pick 5-8 range if a team valued him enough, injury or not.

Haha, my bad - that makes more sense. It's remarkable how perfect a Marchbank/Durdin/Lever trio is though - all of them complement each other and gives us a lot to build around.

I know, but I'm talking probably not out of the top 10-12, and it's extremely difficult to trade into that range. A band 2 Higgins compo falling at 18ish is likely our best chance, but even then we'd need to move somebody we don't really want to to get that 5-7 pick upgrade.

I think Lever could go as early as GWS' first pick, or as late as Geelong's - but chances of him sliding past the Suns are probably slim.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I'm still wanting to pull a Durdin, Lever, Marchbank double. McCartin and Petracca are my dream picks, and I like the look of Laverde as well, and won't complain at getting him as he has a high ceiling like Macrae and Bontempelli do. It's a matter of how much higher we feel he can go.

Hypothetically, say we get a second band compensation for Higgins. And say we traded up one of our second round picks into the first round. And say that Marchbank slips, which is possible. And assume we went, and did get all three, it is actually very possible to pull off. Durdin, Lever and Marchbank.

Would you call that a bold or stupid move? To many players of a similar type, or a smart move at stocking up depth and talent to work with defensively for the next few years and create competition and possible solve our depth problem in one hit? All are capable of being solid contributors, and can play one on one, and find the ball as well.

No reason why all of those three, or three of the five out of Durdin, Lever, Marchbank, Talia, Roberts cannot be in the same backline, as they are all around the Medium/Tall range, and we'd still have a couple of small nuggets around them.

We've got 8-14 mids who are going to very good players, if not stars in some cases. My opinion, which is pretty much worthless, is that we go KPPs where possible this year and possibly next, unless there is a standout mid ahead of a KPP at our pick. We do really need to bolster our talks going forward, because remember we're going to do bugger all probably next year and 2016 BUT when these kids take over, we need all positions firing to make the most of this core group of stars.

Also the mantra has to be hard ball winners as our base point for drafting. Silky outside is ok, but they have to have a hard edge or well end up with a team of Farren Ray's. And no one wants that.

 

[_M_16_]

Haha, my bad - that makes more sense.

Haha, it's all good. I probably could have been a little bit clearer. A defence containing Roughead, Durdin, Lever, Talia and Roberts all at once would be to top heavy and absurd haha

And once again, love your opinion on things, always make a lot of sense when it comes to the draft. Might be hard to pull off, but one can always live in dream land

 

[Unorth]

Rumors that McKenzie kick 16 for Marcillen the other day. Can anyone find anything confirming this or not

There you go. Keep in mind that Bonti also played for Marcellin last year, and had his (iirc) 50 disposal/10 goal effort at the school level. So take from it what you will. And from my sources *cough*eavesdropping on his conversations when they're about his footy*cough*, his name and the Bulldogs are getting thrown around together a bit. I haven't heard anything to absolutely confirm that the Dogs are seriously interested, but I'll keep an eye (More like ear) out.

 

[Dav1d]

a little disappointing there isn't really any McKenzie footage floating about, maybe like a goal or two

played basketball, would probably have to take him at our second round pick if he keeps kicking big bags

 

[Dogsman16]

a little disappointing there isn't really any McKenzie footage floating about, maybe like a goal or two

played basketball, would probably have to take him at our second round pick if he keeps kicking big bags

Think we have enough talent on our list to take a punt on a KPF in the 2nd round. If we had 2 picks in the 2nd which potentially we could, I would go both Keitel and McKenzie if they were there, worth the risk this time around.

 

[Dav1d]

Think we have enough talent on our list to take a punt on a KPF in the 2nd round. If we had 2 picks in the 2nd which potentially we could, I would go both Keitel and McKenzie if they were there, worth the risk this time around.

hopefully they are there
Keitel has played some games in defense, everyone on the draft thread pretty much thinks he'll go to Fremantle (mostly because hes from WA)

Marchbank/Keitel in the second round would be huge then McKenzie

maybe we even go Lever then McKenzie then a smokey
think there is plenty of good options

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I'm sorry if this has already been posted somewhere but if you go to 6.03 in this video from the weekend, Jayden Foster has a contender for Goal of the Week on Future Stars.

 

[True Dog]

^
Foster looks well balanced?

 

[womble54]

Durdin for me. Roughy, Durdin and Talia as 3rd tall woul be a great 3 to build the back 6 around. Wood, JJ and a could of Mid/Defenders would be great. Could see Griff playing out of halfback again later in his career. Durdin still needs to show a bit this year to really lock down that pick 5 everyone has him at IMO so an outside chance he could still slide to us.

 

[Super Hans]

Dannnnnnnnnn, given you have a good idea of the draft, will you be doing a mock on the D&T board like a lot of the other people participating in the trial draft? Wouldn't mind seeing your 'power rankings', particularly your thoughts on Duggan, Lever and Ellis.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dannnnnnnnnn, given you have a good idea of the draft, will you be doing a mock on the D&T board like a lot of the other people participating in the trial draft? Wouldn't mind seeing your 'power rankings', particularly your thoughts on Duggan, Lever and Ellis.

It's something I want to do and will probably attempt a little closer to the draft (updating constantly like KM and such do would be a pain in the ass), just have to get the time to do it. If I make the effort I don't want to half-ass it so I'll need a bit of time to work on the profiles and such.

I'm very keen on Lever but find Ellis and Duggan a tad overrated at this point. Both of course have fantastic kicks but I don't see them becoming anything overly special.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I will say though that from about 10-25/30 I reckon you can throw a blanket over a lot of them. Whereas previous drafts have declined reasonably linearly I think this one follows more of a 'step-like' pattern - lots of players around the same level, then a steep drop, so on and so forth. It's part of the reason I'd be very keen to move our first pick if it falls outside the top five.

 

[doggies ftw]

It's something I want to do and will probably attempt a little closer to the draft (updating constantly like KM and such do would be a pain in the ass), just have to get the time to do it. If I make the effort I don't want to half-ass it so I'll need a bit of time to work on the profiles and such.

I'm very keen on Lever but find Ellis and Duggan a tad overrated at this point. Both of course have fantastic kicks but I don't see them becoming anything overly special.

Ellis does absolutely nothing for me when I watch him too, Duggan I like though.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Ellis does absolutely nothing for me when I watch him too, Duggan I like though.

I just don't see Duggan as having "enough" and think he falls comfortably in that end-of-first-round/start-of-second range. He is quite one-sided, not overly strong, not as versatile as others with similar attributes and I see him as lacking the tools to gain the ability to become a true inside/outside force. He doesn't have the height to give him that reach advantage over others through the midfield either. He obviously has some speed, is a very nice kick off the left and is extremely classy, but I don't really see him having the ceiling of some of the other boys.

 

[doggies ftw]

I just don't see Duggan as having "enough" and think he falls comfortably in that end-of-first-round/start-of-second range. He is quite one-sided, not overly strong, not as versatile as others with similar attributes and I see him as lacking the tools to gain the ability to become a true inside/outside force. He doesn't have the height to give him that reach advantage over others through the midfield either. He obviously has some speed, is a very nice kick off the left and is extremely classy, but I don't really see him having the ceiling of some of the other boys.

Yeah I wouldn't be spending a top 10 pick on him at this stage, if you're right and he does fall to that range and we happen to have a band 2 compo, I'd love him there.

 

[Hrovat24]

Ellis will go top 20 for a reason lads kid can obviously play

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Ellis will go top 20 for a reason lads kid can obviously play

Didn't say he couldn't, I just find him a bit overrated on BF.

As for going top 20, they're the BF community's thoughts; I don't know any recruiters so I can't say for sure whether he will or not. The BF community hadn't heard of Jack Leslie (pick 20) and mostly thought Jonathon Marsh (pick 77) was a monty to go top 20 last year, just as two examples off the top of my head. Plus it's still pretty early; nothing is definitive.

Regardless, I like to form my own opinions on the players, wrong or right.

 

[Hrovat24]

Didn't say he couldn't, I just find him a bit overrated on BF.

As for going top 20, they're the BF community's thoughts; I don't know any recruiters so I can't say for sure whether he will or not. The BF community hadn't heard of Jack Leslie (pick 20) and mostly thought Jonathon Marsh (pick 77) was a monty to go top 20 last year, just as two examples off the top of my head. Plus it's still pretty early; nothing is definitive.

Regardless, I like to form my own opinions on the players, wrong or right.

Laverde and Ellis both keilor boys , so will be guns

 

[Dav1d]

Didn't say he couldn't, I just find him a bit overrated on BF.

As for going top 20, they're the BF community's thoughts; I don't know any recruiters so I can't say for sure whether he will or not. The BF community hadn't heard of Jack Leslie (pick 20) and mostly thought Jonathon Marsh (pick 77) was a monty to go top 20 last year, just as two examples off the top of my head. Plus it's still pretty early; nothing is definitive.

Regardless, I like to form my own opinions on the players, wrong or right.

I remember that
Marsh really didn't have a high endurance, would fade from games pretty badly
so it makes sense
Jack Leslie was bit of a surprise, but still the biggest one was Darcy Lang to Geelong for their first