List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[doggies ftw]

Wright would be fantastic. How about Duggan? Seems to be in some fantastic form at the moment and might just be pushing up the draft boards again? Love that he laid 12 tackles. A guy with his disposal but also his want to tackle and what not, could make a very fine player whether thats down back, through the middle or up forward. Would be fantastic to add into our team.

Kyle Langford. Like the sound of this guy. He's now jumped to number one for me. He's 190cm can play anywhere the only knock on him is that he's 73kgs. Bonts was recruited around 83kgs. But another tall mid to compliment Bont and Stringer.

This from Bound for Glory.

"Langford has played as a key back to great success, as his lanky arms are excellent in spoiling or outmarking his opponent. His closing speed is fantastic. I believe his running ability is severely under rated, as his work on the lead includes an explosive burst, but it doesn’t seem to wear off over the game.

He’s also plied his trade as a tall wingman to great effect. Against the Pioneers, he gathered 20 disposals, 11 marks (three contested) and eight tackles. He was truly sensational, and he dominated in that Matthew Richardson of 2008 role. The wingman involved in everything."

Very keen on Langford if we can get him with our 2nd round pick or something, would be another fantastic addition to add to our crop of big versatile players who can play just about anywhere, and would definitely add some more contested marking throughout the ground which we definitely need.

Higgins leaves, trade a pick for Griffiths or Jaksch, take either Duggan/Laverde or Durdin/Lever at 6(talls would be nice and reckon Durdin could make a fine CHF, but if we think Duggan/Laverde are better players just take them because they add a lot too), Langford in the second round and Cordy/Foster sometime after. Would fit our recent recruiting properly and just really improve the team all over the field, and at least give us a few quite decent taller options at both ends.

 

[Wizard17]

Duggan and Langford have a December bday so there's a lot of devlopment left. Both seem to be strengthening as the year ends which is a really good sign.

Wright would be fantastic. How about Duggan? Seems to be in some fantastic form at the moment and might just be pushing up the draft boards again? Love that he laid 12 tackles. A guy with his disposal but also his want to tackle and what not, could make a very fine player whether thats down back, through the middle or up forward. Would be fantastic to add into our team.



Very keen on Langford if we can get him with our 2nd round pick or something, would be another fantastic addition to add to our crop of big versatile players who can play just about anywhere, and would definitely add some more contested marking throughout the ground which we definitely need.

Higgins leaves, trade a pick for Griffiths or Jaksch, take either Duggan/Laverde or Durdin/Lever at 6(talls would be nice and reckon Durdin could make a fine CHF, but if we think Duggan/Laverde are better players just take them because they add a lot too), Langford in the second round and Cordy/Foster sometime after. Would fit our recent recruiting properly and just really improve the team all over the field, and at least give us a few quite decent taller options at both ends.

 

[Dav1d]

would still be happy with one of Lever or Duggan

like I was at the start of the year (minus Pickett)

Duggan makes a lot of sense if Higgins departs
even if Duggan doesn't end up playing in the backline

 

[Wizard17]

Main draft
Duggan, Jaksch (trade), Langford, Cordy, McLean

Rookie
Fox, O Mcdonald, Drummond, Foster

Or
Main draft
Lever, Jaksch (trade), Langford, Cordy, McLean

Rookie
Fox, Foster, Drummond, Maishman (can't think of another fast outside type with good skills, generally what I'd be looking for here)

Something along those two would be around it if those are what we are looking at. What you think?

would still be happy with one of Lever or Duggan

like I was at the start of the year (minus Pickett)

Duggan makes a lot of sense if Higgins departs
even if Duggan doesn't end up playing in the backline

 

[Super Hans]

Still dead keen on Lever.

Talia, Roughead, Roberts, Lever. Can never have enough good KPD's.

 

[Dav1d]

Main draft
Duggan, Jaksch (trade), Langford, Cordy, McLean

Rookie
Fox, O Mcdonald, Drummond, Foster

Or
Main draft
Lever, Jaksch (trade), Langford, Cordy, McLean

Rookie
Fox, Foster, Drummond, Maishman (can't think of another fast outside type with good skills, generally what I'd be looking for here)

Something along those two would be around it if those are what we are looking at. What you think?

I don't know who O'Mcdonald is?

but I like it, kinda depends who we lose to; who we draft in
but KPPs, please

 

[Wizard17]

Key Defender 196cm 88kg from North Ballarat. Brother of Tom (from the demons)

I don't know who O'Mcdonald is?

but I like it, kinda depends who we lose to; who we draft in
but KPPs, please

 

[TMoney22]

We also need a nuggety back pocket who can defend well. Especially on classy fast forward pockets. Picken does OK but his disposal hurts in the backline. And would rather him just tag in the midfield.

Any in this draft or wait til next year?

 

[Dav1d]

We also need a nuggety back pocket who can defend well. Especially on classy fast forward pockets. Picken does OK but his disposal hurts in the backline. And would rather him just tag in the midfield.

Any in this draft or wait til next year?

Darcy Tucker next year

probably Glenn by the sounds of it this year

 

[go you pups]

Unpopular post of the day: If it takes Hrovat to upgrade our 1st rounder to GWS' spot to pick up Wright, I do it. I imagine we can get a later pick back from them too that they won't use, but I really want Wright and think he could be exactly what we need for a future premiership. I love Hrovat, but you have to give something to get something.

The only player on GWS's list who is similar to Hrovat is Devon Smith, Hrovat as a fwd/mid rotation would help them out. Palmer seems to have improved in his forward role but Hrovat is faster and more dynamic than him, if it's Hrovat and pick 6/7

If we beat GWS we are not getting pick 5/6 we'll be ahead of Carlton as I doubt they'll beat Essendon and Frawleys gone so Melbourne will get 2 & 3. So that leaves GWS at 4, Brions 5, Carl 6, Dogs 7. I'd prefer wed finish ahead of Carlton anyway and watch the AFL give a team who finished below us get a 10x better marketing fixture than us = Bulldogs/Peter Gordon meltdown.

Say we trade with GWS to draft a Wright in the team and then Honeychurch/Hunter step up and fail in Hrovats vacant spot, we can surely raid Collingwood's vast array of fwd/mid types, they'll have to let one or 2 go soon enough in the coming years (Kennedy, Martin, Broomhead, Blair etc. Only Elliot would be untouchable).

 

[go you pups]

Unpopular post of the day: If it takes Hrovat to upgrade our 1st rounder to GWS' spot to pick up Wright, I do it. I imagine we can get a later pick back from them too that they won't use, but I really want Wright and think he could be exactly what we need for a future premiership. I love Hrovat, but you have to give something to get something.

The only player on GWS's list who is similar to Hrovat is Devon Smith, Hrovat as a fwd/mid rotation would help them out. Palmer seems to have improved in his forward role but Hrovat is faster and more dynamic than him, if it's Hrovat and pick 6/7

If we beat GWS we are not getting pick 5/6 we'll be ahead of Carlton as I doubt they'll beat Essendon and Frawleys gone so Melbourne will get 2 & 3. So that leaves GWS at 4, Brions 5, Carl 6, Dogs 7. I'd prefer wed finish ahead of Carlton anyway and watch the AFL give a team who finished below us get a 10x better marketing fixture than us = Bulldogs/Peter Gordon meltdown.

Say we trade with GWS to draft a Wright in the team and then Honeychurch/Hunter step up and fail in Hrovats vacant spot, we can surely raid Collingwood's vast array of fwd/mid types, they'll have to let one or 2 go soon enough in the coming years (Kennedy, Martin, Broomhead, Blair etc. Only Elliot would be untouchable).

 

[Dry Rot]

The only player on GWS's list who is similar to Hrovat is Devon Smith, Hrovat as a fwd/mid rotation would help them out. Palmer seems to have improved in his forward role but Hrovat is faster and more dynamic than him, if it's Hrovat and pick 6/7

If we beat GWS we are not getting pick 5/6 we'll be ahead of Carlton as I doubt they'll beat Essendon and Frawleys gone so Melbourne will get 2 & 3. So that leaves GWS at 4, Brions 5, Carl 6, Dogs 7. I'd prefer wed finish ahead of Carlton anyway and watch the AFL give a team who finished below us get a 10x better marketing fixture than us = Bulldogs/Peter Gordon meltdown.

Say we trade with GWS to draft a Wright in the team and then Honeychurch/Hunter step up and fail in Hrovats vacant spot, we can surely raid Collingwood's vast array of fwd/mid types, they'll have to let one or 2 go soon enough in the coming years (Kennedy, Martin, Broomhead, Blair etc. Only Elliot would be untouchable).

If you want to trade Hrovat, you didn't watch the Swans game. BOG for us IMO in an otherwise shitty team.

 

[Dav1d]

If you want to trade Hrovat, you didn't watch the Swans game. BOG for us IMO in an otherwise shitty team.

that is why his name is been thrown up, because he just played a good game come on

 

[Skippos]

What is his marking like? Definitely think we need to draft more marking players, one area we're real poor at
He isn't that tall is he?

look forward to your update as well, especially to see who you've got come the second round

It's not a defining aspect of his game.

179cm.

 

[Dav1d]

It's not a defining aspect of his game.

179cm.

you're up late

could see us going a bolter in the second round (especially if there is a 2nd round compo)

still hope we take Keitel if he ends up there, even if we get a KPP in the first

just need more KPPs and would be nice for a change to have an abundance of KPPs then only a few

 

[paul scholes]

Not denigrating any draft watchers here, but Nat Fyfe tore it up in a Colts GF .
I wouldn't be discounting Colts form, as others have been recruited from WA colts.

 

[Mofra]

Not denigrating any draft watchers here, but Nat Fyfe tore it up in a Colts GF .
I wouldn't be discounting Colts form, as others have been recruited from WA colts.

A particular poster here (and on another Bulldogs site) was all over Nat Fyfe pre-draft, really wanted us to take him.
We took Howard instead.

 

[stefoid]

A particular poster here (and on another Bulldogs site) was all over Nat Fyfe pre-draft, really wanted us to take him.
We took Howard instead.

#### you Mofra, #### you!!!!!!

 

[lachy]

A particular poster here (and on another Bulldogs site) was all over Nat Fyfe pre-draft, really wanted us to take him.
We took Howard instead.

Apparently because of his exquisite skills to replace Gilbee in the backline!!!

Great get before the draft and not in hindsight Mofra, really need to get the best available with your first round pick.

 

[Mofra]

Apparently because of his exquisite skills to replace Gilbee in the backline!!!

Great get before the draft and not in hindsight Mofra, really need to get the best available with your first round pick.

Wasn't my call - someone far more knowledgeable about juniors than me. He's made a few good calls pre-draft, doesn't seem to post here anymore though.

 

[Doggies7]

If you want to trade Hrovat, you didn't watch the Swans game. BOG for us IMO in an otherwise shitty team.

I did watch the game, like I watch every game, every year. Hrovat was absolutely suburb and will be a good midfielder for years to come. We desperately need some VERY good developing big guys and I think Wright could be special, and perfect for what we need. We aren't going to be able to move up to GWS' pick to select him without giving up something of quality and if it takes Hrovat to do it, I'm happy for the club to make a big call to get a guy we need.

We can't keep going forward with Jones, Redpath, Campbell etc as our #1 FWD target.

 

[stefoid]

And thats the rub isn't it - there are only 3 options

1) draft a balanced side
2) draft best available (mostly mids) and trade aggressively to balance the side
3) draft best available (mostly mids), and cross your fingers that a balanced side just happens somehow.

For a long time now, we have been all about option 3)

 

[igloo dweller]

I did watch the game, like I watch every game, every year. Hrovat was absolutely suburb and will be a good midfielder for years to come. We desperately need some VERY good developing big guys and I think Wright could be special, and perfect for what we need. We aren't going to be able to move up to GWS' pick to select him without giving up something of quality and if it takes Hrovat to do it, I'm happy for the club to make a big call to get a guy we need.

We can't keep going forward with Jones, Redpath, Campbell etc as our #1 FWD target.

absolutely agree. hrovat is the kind of high quality player that would be needed to upgrade to a higher pick in conjunction with our first rounder. personally, i wouldn't, but i wouldn't hold against the list managers if it were to go this way.

main reason is that i'm still not sure that peter wright gets past the saints or melbourne even if we did pull the trade for pick 3. cases can be mounted for both these teams to pick him, and the other to choose mccartin. i'm even less sure that GWS are after another smallish midfelder. the trade looks like a massive overpayment to land another midfielder at 3 (brayshaw or petracca), or a tall in durdin who may be available at our current pick without giving up a piece. it's a roll of the dice.

the saints midfield is a rabble, and losing it's likely B&F in hayes at the end of the year. reckon they'd be more likely to bite at the prospect of hrovat + weller for pick 1 than GWS would for pick 3. and you'd guarantee your boy coming to VUWO.

 

[True Dog]

If you want to trade Hrovat, you didn't watch the Swans game. BOG for us IMO in an otherwise shitty team.

Is it to big a stretch to say that was Hrovats best game for us.... I was blown away by him on Sunday!!

 

[JTCWBFC]

I posted this in the list management thread, but think it is worth repeating here, we need to trade aggressively to bring in quality but also ensure we balance that by maintaining our draft position.

My view was the best approach to doing this was as follows:

- 2nd Round pick + a player (perhaps Grant) to GWS for Jaksch;
- Pick up Frawley as a FA;
- Trade Minson to PA or another club in a Premiership window for a late first round pick (sweet the deal if we need to);
- On trade first round pick to Sydney for Reid; and
- Cooney to North or another club pushing / in top 4 for a second round pick.

The above would have a net result of:

Out: Minson, Cooney, Grant, Second Round Pick (early)
In: Jaksch, Frawley, Reid, Second Round Pick (late)

See list mngment thread on my reasons as to why I think we can continue without Cooney and Minson.

The upshot of this is that we would have brought in three quality talls (2 of which will definitely slot in immediately) and the third (Jaksch) will either put heat on our other young talls to perform, or the same for Jones - depending on where we elect to play him.

Also, we would have a full roster of draft picks, and despite having brought in the above players, still have a top 10 pick!

So I would then tackle the draft with a Best available approach for all picks because we have significantly improved our KP stocks through trade so we don't need to risk a stretching to try and land a tall and paying overs.

I'm sure some people will disagree with trading Minson and Cooney, but I think it is similar to the position we were in with Lake. Also, by bringing in several players that can play designated key defensive posts, Roughead could take Minsons place and play his more natural ruck position.