List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[TempleKelvington]

Why do people keep putting Smith on lists like this? I'm not disagreeing, it's a genuine question.

Do they?Haven't seen the lists you speak of. I just think he's a real talent. No other reason.

 

[farstrider]

Do they?Haven't seen the lists you speak of. I just think he's a real talent. No other reason.

He just always seems to pop up alongside the others you mentioned. I haven't seen a lot of him, just wondering where his talent lies.

 

[PJPoet]

Have you all gone mad ?
Is there a full moon out at the moment ?

That's the sort of deal that will get it done. You've got to give up something to get something

 

[doggies ftw]

He just always seems to pop up alongside the others you mentioned. I haven't seen a lot of him, just wondering where his talent lies.

I'm a little bit worried about his second knee (although players have come back from much worse and he's a pretty resilient guy so I think he will be fine) but other than that I rate him very very highly, higher than I rate the likes of Wally, Hrovat, Hunter but lower than Libba, Bonts, Macrae, Stringer. Just look at some of the best kids from the 2011 draft, they've only really just started to break out now. I think Clay would have exploded by now if it wasn't for the knee he was right up there with the best kids from the draft.

 

[Wizard17]

Some good signs for a few Cannon boys that are in next years crop. Wunhym and Kerbetieh both had a very good final lookimg back over the stats again.

 

[grassman75]

I have missed a number of pages so apologies if this has been mentioned once or twice before.

I know we desperately need KPP, but I actually think leg speed and efficient kicking is much more important to us.

If we can get two quick kids with great skills, plus add cordy and foster then I think that would be a pretty good draft for us.
You all probably saw BRG93 s spreadsheet about the lack of players in the 101 to 150 game bracket. That tells me we can either trade to fill those holes or we have to be patient for at least another season and a bit until our young guys reach that level.

Keeping all that in mind, and reading a few draft previews online, I reckon we need to look seriously at Dannnnnnnnnn s phantom draft selection of Laverde as our first choice. ( read Paige Cardonas write up of him. 189cm, lightning quick and high skilled) then try and somehow find another speedster, thinking Dugan, but he will likely be GONE.

Having said all that, If one of the big fellas such as Wright was still there at our pick, it would be hard to pass him up. I absolutely don't want Lever, even more so if he has already done two knees. We cannot afford to take a risk like that IMO.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Historically, it's much harder to find quality KPP than quality speedsters though; traditionally you have to select key forwards quite early for them to have a chance, whereas players with genuine leg speed can often be found late in the draft and even in the rookie draft.

I obviously like what Laverde offers us and think he's one of a few players that should be considered there but it's best available with a slight bias towards height in my opinion. Doesn't bother me what role they play; if we think they're the best player available we should select them.

 

[Super Hans]

Historically, it's much harder to find quality KPP than quality speedsters though; traditionally you have to select key forwards quite early for them to have a chance, whereas players with genuine leg speed can often be found late in the draft and even in the rookie draft.

I obviously like what Laverde offers us and think he's one of a few players that should be considered there but it's best available with a slight bias towards height in my opinion. Doesn't bother me what role they play; if we think they're the best player available we should select them.

Who do you think are the best five players in the draft, not including needs?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Who do you think are the best five players in the draft, not including needs?

Are we talking best five in terms of ceilings or in terms of how they are right now?

 

[Super Hans]

Are we talking best five in terms of ceilings or in terms of how they are right now?

How about both?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

With that thieving midget Taylor winning the RS today, what are the chances that the classy midget from away gets picked up now Dannnnnnnnnn?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

How about both?

If I was picking for the now...
1. Isaac Heeney
2. Patrick McCartin
3. Angus Brayshaw
4. Christian Petracca
5. Jake Lever

For the future...
1. Peter Wright
Daylight
2. Sam Durdin
3. Darcy Moore
4. Isaac Heeney
5. Jayden Laverde

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

With that thieving midget Taylor winning the RS today, what are the chances that the classy midget from away gets picked up now Dannnnnnnnnn?

I'm not sure it'll have too much of an impact. Recruiters are stubborn.

Daniel should get picked up and it will be total silliness if he doesn't. An extra 5-6 centimetres and he'd be a likely top 25 pick; an extra 10-12 and he'd be top five and potentially even pick one. I see him as more talented but smaller than Honeychurch and we all know where he ended up. He's an impossible player to read. On talent he's top 20, but I'm just not sure clubs will take a punt on him early.

For mine he likely goes somewhere after 45.

 

[Super Hans]

If I was picking for the now...
1. Isaac Heeney
2. Patrick McCartin
3. Angus Brayshaw
4. Christian Petracca
5. Jake Lever

For the future...
1. Peter Wright
Daylight
2. Sam Durdin
3. Darcy Moore
4. Isaac Heeney
5. Jayden Laverde

Jeez, no Petracca in the top five for the future I didn't expect. Didn't expect you to have Durdin so high either.

What kind of player do you think Wright will become?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Jeez, no Petracca in the top five for the future I didn't expect. Didn't expect you to have Durdin so high either.

What kind of player do you think Wright will become?

Petracca is a tricky one. I like him but I just don't know how much improvement is in him. I don't think he's as naturally classy as those true top-line midfielders (watch Bontempelli and then watch Petracca - the difference is noticeable). The classy types just make things happen whereas a lot of what I've seen of Petracca he's bullied his opponents and used his physicality to get the upper hand. I'm not completely sold that it translates overly well. I expect him to come in and play a role - although his skin folds/endurance may see him take a while to come on - and see him being a high-quality medium forward but I'm not convinced he's an elite midfielder in future.

In my eyes, Wright becomes a full forward that plays stints in the ruck. It's an over-used comparison for sure but I see a lot of Kurt Tippett in him in terms of style of play - strong through the body, good contested mark, but athletic enough with a good enough endurance base to get on the move and also beat players on the lead. Repeat efforts are improving. I think his ceiling is much, much higher than anybody else's.

There are some others that could get into that upper echelon but I'm not totally convinced just yet: McKenzie, Weller, Hammelmann, Finlayson, etc.

I also think Peter Bampton could rocket into the top five for the 'now.'

 

[Rors]

Pardon the intrusion, hope you are all looking forward to trade week as much as we are

Just a quick query:

Do you guys think you'll try to trade with Melbourne to secure either their pick 2 or 3 (if they get 3 for Frawley compo) in order to get your hands on McCartin or Wright?

And if Higgins was to leave via FA, what compo would you expect in return?

Cheers in advance

 

[Dogsman16]

Pardon the intrusion, hope you are all looking forward to trade week as much as we are

Just a quick query:

Do you guys think you'll try to trade with Melbourne to secure either their pick 2 or 3 (if they get 3 for Frawley compo) in order to get your hands on McCartin or Wright?

And if Higgins was to leave via FA, what compo would you expect in return?

Cheers in advance

Yeah I think we may try we just desperately need another tall in our system and for mine its probably Wright that I would prefer as we already have a couple of talls in that 190 - 193cm mark. Really is just an issue of who we package up with our first round pick, some Melbourne fans suggested a trade of Hrovat and 5 for 2 and 21 which would allow us to get one of McCartin or Wright and also maybe a duggan or someone else who slides.
If that were to be offered I may be in the minority but I would certainly take it, but not if it was pick 3 instead as you guys could take McCartin, Melbourne take Wright and then we are left with the same problem.

As for Higgins we think band 3 compo so straight after our 2nd rounder is what we will get.

It would be a tough call to trade out someone as promising as Hrovat and team members won't be a big fan but maybe thats the only trade currency that we have/ are replaceable/Melb are willing to accept

 

[fronkalicious]

Yeah I think we may try we just desperately need another tall in our system and for mine its probably Wright that I would prefer as we already have a couple of talls in that 190 - 193cm mark. Really is just an issue of who we package up with our first round pick, some Melbourne fans suggested a trade of Hrovat and 5 for 2 and 21 which would allow us to get one of McCartin or Wright and also maybe a duggan or someone else who slides.
If that were to be offered I may be in the minority but I would certainly take it, but not if it was pick 3 instead as you guys could take McCartin, Melbourne take Wright and then we are left with the same problem.

As for Higgins we think band 3 compo so straight after our 2nd rounder is what we will get.

It would be a tough call to trade out someone as promising as Hrovat and team members won't be a big fan but maybe thats the only trade currency that we have/ are replaceable/Melb are willing to accept

If we did a deal like that, it would be on the basis that melbourne didn't take wright or McCartin.

 

[Dogsman16]

If we did a deal like that, it would be on the basis that melbourne didn't take wright or McCartin.

I wouldn't put my faith in them at all and in anycase they will be getting Petrecca anyway if the saints don't take him because we will take the one who is left from McCartin/Wright. But the faces of horror from the dogs recruiters if they reneged their word would be unbearable. Cannot just take them at their word but because of our needs we have less reason to trust them than they trust us. Has to be pick 2 for an absolute guarantee of a key forward.

 

[doggies ftw]

If Melbourne wanted Petrecca it wouldn't make a difference to them if they gave us pick 2 or 3 so just make them give us pick 2 to be certain but I don't want to lose Hrovat. Melbourne need a couple of HBFs with elite kicks don't they? Just chuck em Fuller and Howard and be done with it

 

[Dogsman16]

Our drafting has been very good in the past 4 years and if there was a trade of Wright/McCartin and pick 21 for Hrovat and say Durdin/Lever we would be mad to not take it. We drafted a good player at 21 last time, we can get another great slider once more!

I do not find this easy saying that Hrovat should be up for trade in fact it pains me to the core! But maybe Marchbank or another outside ball user that was originally going in the top 15 slides. Might have to take a punt.

 

[Super Hans]

Petracca is a tricky one. I like him but I just don't know how much improvement is in him. I don't think he's as naturally classy as those true top-line midfielders (watch Bontempelli and then watch Petracca - the difference is noticeable). The classy types just make things happen whereas a lot of what I've seen of Petracca he's bullied his opponents and used his physicality to get the upper hand. I'm not completely sold that it translates overly well. I expect him to come in and play a role - although his skin folds/endurance may see him take a while to come on - and see him being a high-quality medium forward but I'm not convinced he's an elite midfielder in future.

In my eyes, Wright becomes a full forward that plays stints in the ruck. It's an over-used comparison for sure but I see a lot of Kurt Tippett in him in terms of style of play - strong through the body, good contested mark, but athletic enough with a good enough endurance base to get on the move and also beat players on the lead. Repeat efforts are improving. I think his ceiling is much, much higher than anybody else's.

There are some others that could get into that upper echelon but I'm not totally convinced just yet: McKenzie, Weller, Hammelmann, Finlayson, etc.

I also think Peter Bampton could rocket into the top five for the 'now.'

The way you describe Wright it's crazy to think he could last two our pick, also makes me wonder why McCartin is likely to go higher than him.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Yeah I think we may try we just desperately need another tall in our system and for mine its probably Wright that I would prefer as we already have a couple of talls in that 190 - 193cm mark. Really is just an issue of who we package up with our first round pick, some Melbourne fans suggested a trade of Hrovat and 5 for 2 and 21 which would allow us to get one of McCartin or Wright and also maybe a duggan or someone else who slides.
If that were to be offered I may be in the minority but I would certainly take it, but not if it was pick 3 instead as you guys could take McCartin, Melbourne take Wright and then we are left with the same problem.

As for Higgins we think band 3 compo so straight after our 2nd rounder is what we will get.

It would be a tough call to trade out someone as promising as Hrovat and team members won't be a big fan but maybe thats the only trade currency that we have/ are replaceable/Melb are willing to accept

TBH I'd rather we draft Petracca, Wright and say a Dugan than trade and end up with Hrovat, Petracca and P7... But that's just me.

If it was Hrovat and P7 for P3/2 then fine.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

The way you describe Wright it's crazy to think he could last two our pick, also makes me wonder why McCartin is likely to go higher than him.

McCartin is better on exposed form and his position is set - at this point Wright is an inconsistent prospect up forward and an average ruckman. In my opinion - and it's shared by quite a few other draft watchers on here, it seems - McCartin is quite a low-risk prospect as he's shown enough on exposed performance to suggest that his skills are transferrable to AFL level. He's played against players up to two years older than him and dominated, so he's well-placed to make somewhat of a quick transition moreso than others who tend to struggle on the bigger, more mature bodies. Similar to Petracca in that sense. Wright, on the other hand, is much more of an unknown.

It's a bit like the Aish vs. Bontempelli debate last year in some ways. One is very much a 'what you see is what you get' prospect, while the other brings about a feeling of, "Wow, this kid could be anything."

 

[DognBones]

Not comfortable at all with the idea of trading Hrovat. He's just turned 20 and showing improvement with every game. I think I'd rather take best available at Pick 6 and go with Foster as a late FS pick. Are Wright and McCartin much better than him?