List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Cudi]

Martin, Ryder, leuenberger, mcstay, Paparone, close. I'd be surprised if they drafted wright.

Also they will pick up Hammelmann with a 2nd or 3rd rounder as well you'd think.

 

[BRWB]

Yeah, he has some tricks about him.
Really liked his game last weekend.

Not sure what to think about Cordy though.
I wouldn't be surprised should you let him slide on the strength of what I've seen of him, at least.
F/S's can be a romantic notion but that doesn't always net you a quality player.

Dude his name's Cordy, we get that.

 

[HARKER]

Dude his name's Cordy, we get that.

Ok, Ok..........

Just seems a little scared of the contest in the games I've seen.
Zaine is good with ball in hand but it has to get there first.

Having said that, I've only seen two games so that may not be the norm.

 

[lachy]

Don't like the idea of taking speculative KPP with our 2nd/3rd/4th picks and potentially wasting them. If they merit that position then thats fine but not to take them simply for the sake of taking them, they need to have AFL talent. Regardless it would probably take 5-6 for these players to come on. Would prefer to use those picks to draft best available (providing it isn't an inside mid). We need high quality talented KPP which will be at the higher end of the draft.

No such thing as speculative KPP picks, all picks are a risk but when you are short of KPP' s you draft as many as possible and a group of 3 or 4 b graders can be more important to a team than a solitary a grader. Players picked with these picks include:
29 Jack Gunston
34 Max Gawn
38 Sam Reid
39 Sam Grimley
42 Nathan Vardy

This is 2009 alone. Once you get past the first 2 rounds pick for needs as the differential is minimal, always has been. However, you don't draft them ie fuller and not Brown you have no KPP's on your list

 

[Golden_6]

No such thing as speculative KPP picks, all picks are a risk but when you are short of KPP' s you draft as many as possible and a group of 3 or 4 b graders can be more important to a team than a solitary a grader. Players picked with these picks include:
29 Jack Gunston
34 Max Gawn
38 Sam Reid
39 Sam Grimley
42 Nathan Vardy

This is 2009 alone. Once you get past the first 2 rounds pick for needs as the differential is minimal, always has been. However, you don't draft them ie fuller and not Brown you have no KPP's on your list

Those players have had 4 years in the system and only Gunston has proven to be a star yet is still not the type of focal point player that we are looking for. Reid should be a good player but has not been consistent enough at this point of his career. The other 3 have no made real impact at AFL level for various reasons. I would prefer to trade in promising KPP that has already had 2-3 years in the system. It may cost us a higher draft pick but I'm worried that drafting our own will take to long to hit peak form and wont be ready to make an impact if we are playing deep into finals in hopefully 3-4 years.

 

[lachy]

Those players have had 4 years in the system and only Gunston has proven to be a star yet is still not the type of focal point player that we are looking for. Reid should be a good player but has not been consistent enough at this point of his career. The other 3 have no made real impact at AFL level for various reasons. I would prefer to trade in promising KPP that has already had 2-3 years in the system. It may cost us a higher draft pick but I'm worried that drafting our own will take to long to hit peak form and wont be ready to make an impact if we are playing deep into finals in hopefully 3-4 years.

With the exception of Freo, all of the top sides have at least 3 b grade KPP's. those with just one gun one out barely are successful. We must build depth in KPP's all successful clubs do. We have to get up to top 4 to be attractive to free agents. Yes we do need to trade in, but every draft we should ensure our squad of potential KPP's is being topped up

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Don't like the idea of taking speculative KPP with our 2nd/3rd/4th picks and potentially wasting them. If they merit that position then thats fine but not to take them simply for the sake of taking them, they need to have AFL talent. Regardless it would probably take 5-6 for these players to come on. Would prefer to use those picks to draft best available (providing it isn't an inside mid). We need high quality talented KPP which will be at the higher end of the draft.

Precisely. Name a star KPF who was taken past pick 20. I can't think of one off the top of my head. Walker?Schultz? Tippett was I think. He was 30 something.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

No such thing as speculative KPP picks, all picks are a risk but when you are short of KPP' s you draft as many as possible and a group of 3 or 4 b graders can be more important to a team than a solitary a grader. Players picked with these picks include:
29 Jack Gunston
34 Max Gawn
38 Sam Reid
39 Sam Grimley
42 Nathan Vardy

This is 2009 alone. Once you get past the first 2 rounds pick for needs as the differential is minimal, always has been. However, you don't draft them ie fuller and not Brown you have no KPP's on your list

Gunston is the only star there.

 

[Mattdougie]

Precisely. Name a star KPF who was taken past pick 20. I can't think of one off the top of my head. Walker?Schultz? Tippett was I think. He was 30 something.

Chris Grant

 

[Pannalstaroz]

And we need a Coleman medal winning forward, someone as a focal point.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Chris Grant

True. That's a winner.

 

[Golden_6]

With the exception of Freo, all of the top sides have at least 3 b grade KPP's. those with just one gun one out barely are successful. We must build depth in KPP's all successful clubs do. We have to get up to top 4 to be attractive to free agents. Yes we do need to trade in, but every draft we should ensure our squad of potential KPP's is being topped up

In reality we only do need one gun. Obviously depth is handy but the way our list is, one big fish is all we need especially with Crameri, Stringer and either Campbell or Jones surrounding is my ideal plan.

 

[lachy]

In reality we only do need one gun. Obviously depth is handy but the way our list is, one big fish is all we need especially with Crameri, Stringer and either Campbell or Jones surrounding is my ideal plan.

Freo played in the GF last year and could be in the last 4 this year.

Pav is of Stringer like dimensions, who is their gun KPP?

Sydney 2012 who was their gun KPP?

Port Adelaide are close and working up, who is their gun KPP?

The Hawks lost their best gun KPP yet were even better this year

Who is Norf's gun KPP?

A gun would be great but we need a number of KPP's not one gun. As we get closer by all means pick up a gun KPP through free agency, until then build some depth in the area and if like this year there is an opportunity to draft one first round as best available do this

 

[lachy]

In reality we only do need one gun. Obviously depth is handy but the way our list is, one big fish is all we need especially with Crameri, Stringer and either Campbell or Jones surrounding is my ideal plan.

And we need a Coleman medal winning forward, someone as a focal point.

Can you name 10 KPP's that have won a coleman or dominated their side in total that have changed clubs in their prime in the last 20 years?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Freo played in the GF last year and could be in the last 4 this year.

Pav is of Stringer like dimensions, who is their gun KPP?

Sydney 2012 who was their gun KPP?

Port Adelaide are close and working up, who is their gun KPP?

The Hawks lost their best gun KPP yet were even better this year

Who is Norf's gun KPP?

A gun would be great but we need a number of KPP's not one gun. As we get closer by all means pick up a gun KPP through free agency, until then build some depth in the area and if like this year there is an opportunity to draft one first round as best available do this

You need a lynchpin, someone around which the rest of the forward line functions. Hawthorn have Roughead, North have Petrie, Port have Schultz. And Buddy wasn't Hawthorn's best forward last year, in fact you could argue he wasn't 2nd either.

 

[Golden_6]

Freo played in the GF last year and could be in the last 4 this year.

Pav is of Stringer like dimensions, who is their gun KPP?

Sydney 2012 who was their gun KPP?

Port Adelaide are close and working up, who is their gun KPP?

The Hawks lost their best gun KPP yet were even better this year

Who is Norf's gun KPP?

A gun would be great but we need a number of KPP's not one gun. As we get closer by all means pick up a gun KPP through free agency, until then build some depth in the area and if like this year there is an opportunity to draft one first round as best available do this

Freo played in the GF last year and could be in the last 4 this year.

Pav is of Stringer like dimensions, who is their gun KPP?

Sydney 2012 who was their gun KPP?

Port Adelaide are close and working up, who is their gun KPP?

The Hawks lost their best gun KPP yet were even better this year

Who is Norf's gun KPP?

A gun would be great but we need a number of KPP's not one gun. As we get closer by all means pick up a gun KPP through free agency, until then build some depth in the area and if like this year there is an opportunity to draft one first round as best available do this

Hawks and Port both have gun KPP, 2nd and 3rd in the coleman. Fremantle didnt have ANY KPP besides pac and Sydney still had Goodes as their KPP in 2012.

 

[lachy]

You need a lynchpin, someone around which the rest of the forward line functions. Hawthorn have Roughead, North have Petrie, Port have Schultz. And Buddy wasn't Hawthorn's best forward last year, in fact you could argue he wasn't 2nd either.

Petrie has never been a gun KPP he is a b grader at best that up until the last 3 minutes the other night had not performed in any big game
Schultz has never been an a grader, Richmond got rid of him.

However, both are perfect examples of b grade KPP's and how critical they are in their teams structure

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Can you name 10 KPP's that have won a coleman or dominated their side in total that have changed clubs in their prime in the last 20 years?

Ok, someone who is good enough to win a Coleman. Don't nit pick.

 

[lachy]

Hawks and Port both have gun KPP, 2nd and 3rd in the coleman. Fremantle didnt have ANY KPP besides pac and Sydney still had Goodes as their KPP in 2012.

Who is Ports 'gun' KPP?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Petrie has never been a gun KPP he is a b grader at best that up until the last 3 minutes the other night had not performed in any big game
Schultz has never been an a grader, Richmond got rid of him.

However, both are perfect examples of b grade KPP's and how critical they are in their teams structure

Don't be silly

 

[Wizard17]

They have a KPF that has kicked over 50 goals this year.

Who is Ports 'gun' KPP?

 

[Golden_6]

Who is Ports 'gun' KPP?

Schulz - 64 goals, 2nd in coleman

 

[lachy]

Ok, someone who is good enough to win a Coleman. Don't nit pick.

Not nit picking, just pointing out
1. Gun KPP's rarely if ever change teams
2. There are very few gun KPP's anyway
3. Good quality b grade KPP's in number provide better depth but more importantly better and more flexible structure under finals pressure

 

[lachy]

Schulz - 64 goals, 2nd in coleman

What big games has he taken by the throat as great KPP's do.

That is less than 3 goals per game, better than anything we have but hardly evidence of a gun

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Not nit picking, just pointing out
1. Gun KPP's rarely if ever change teams
2. There are very few gun KPP's anyway
3. Good quality b grade KPP's in number provide better depth but more importantly better and more flexible structure under finals pressure

OK Schultz May not have been A grade, but he has been this season, so as such, is. Petrie has been a very, very good KPF, I would call him a gun. Your rating of A v B seems very harsh. And Franklin has done pretty well at Sydney this year, taken them from 4th to 1st - that's a massive jump at the top. 10 times harder to go from 4th to 1st than 16th to 8th