List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Cori]

Your 'Perfect Scenario' was looking very nice indeed until I saw you include Redpath in your list of delistings.........Are you mad!!!!!

Haha, if we have to take Cordy in our third round and Foster in our fourth then I would hold onto Redpath. I feel that we'd do really well with McDonald in our third round and would be my pick over Redpath.

 

[Dogsman16]

The problem I have with us missing on a KPF this draft is that the next two drafts are mid heavy and I surely hope we don't end up with pick 5 next year. I just can't see us drafting a decent tall forward in the next 3 years if we don't do it now. Lever would definitely fit and is my second choice, but we should be going hard at getting Wright first.

I'm not to concerned as I think 2015 first rounder should go straight onto the trade table. Carlisle or any FA that we can deal with another club to make sure they get adequate compensation but guarantees us getting a gun I am happy with. Although if that gun nominates us then I am all more recieving them for no trade/draft cost, but if we have to use our first rounder for say Walker or Carlisle so be it. This is the last draft I want to go hard at after that trade and FA table it is.

 

[_M_16_]

Do any of you have access to all past combine results, not just the top 10s?

Wright's traits excite on a lot of levels but history of many 200cm+ recruits in the top 10 worries me.

The two key things that have me confident on him is that phantom drafts have him at 3 seconds for 20m - elite for his size, and on the flip side he's ripping out ridiculous beep test numbers - and the most important factor is that both of these are occurring with him resembling an actual AFL playing weight over 100kgs.

This is very much unlike, as an example of a likely top 5 pick at the time, Ayce Cordy, who although looked incredibly fast and mobile for a big guy at 18, but lost a lot of that when he put on 20kg (as you do).

How do Wright's numbers compare to others in their draft year, and what weight were they carrying at the time? Kreuzer, McIntosh, Leuenberger, Tippett, Daniher, Ayce - how do Wright's sprints/beep tests/weight stack up?

I think another important thing to look at, is how much did Ayce weigh before the draft in comparison? If Wright already has the size, he wont be putting on 20kg

 

[footyfan000001]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-24/no1-up-for-grabs

Jesus. Shut up StKilda. You are not trading away Pick 1.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

I think another important thing to look at, is how much did Ayce weigh before the draft in comparison? If Wright already has the size, he wont be putting on 20kg

Wright's already 203cm, 100kg.

When drafted, Ayce was 73kg (now 99kg).

I wouldn't be concerned in the least if we managed to get Wright. I'd be ****ing stoked, if anything.

 

[_M_16_]

Wright's already 203cm, 100kg.

When drafted, Ayce was 73kg (now 99kg).

I wouldn't be concerned in the least if we managed to get Wright. I'd be ******* stoked, if anything.

Same here, I will be stoked with Wright. So if he is already putting up solid numbers in combine based drills, at 100kgs which will essentially be his playing weight, maybe less. Then any concerns about his lack of athletic ability should be thrown out the door. He wont be putting on a kg at all.

As for Ayce, anyone putting on 20kgs will notice the difference. It is important to find the right weight balance for each individual, you don't need to be heavy to be strong and muscular, and every person has a limit to what they can put on before it affects their speed and agility. Maybe we didn't get that right with him, or maybe he wasn't all that athletic in the first place. Most people who are underweight for their size are fast and agile

 

[Cori]

Most people who are underweight for their size are fast and agile

Jarrod Grant.

 

[Kennel Master]

List Changes just announced.

Daniel Giansiracusa (retired)
Tom Williams (retired)
Christian Howard
Tom Young
Brett Goodes

KM

 

[_M_16_]

List Changes just announced.

Daniel Giansiracusa (retired)
Tom Williams (retired)
Christian Howard
Tom Young
Brett Goodes

KM

Very much what was expected. Goodes will stay on in the VFL team I believe. The other two will be done for good. So at this stage it looks like four picks in the upcoming draft.

 

[Dry Rot]

Very much what was expected. Goodes will stay on in the VFL team I believe. The other two will be done for good. So at this stage it looks like four picks in the upcoming draft.

Could be 5 - 7 picks depending upon what happens with Higgins, Jones and Wood.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Don't worry about his weight, he is heavy enough, turned it into toned muscle is all it needs.

I think him pulling out of the GF on the weekend may be a blessing for the dogs. Big game and there is no way he would have made it to 6. He was up and down this year, yet his best games were dominate. Kicking is elite. He is exactly what we need.

 

[Skippos]

I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I'd actually prefer Lever to Wright at this stage. Not the key forward we are looking for (though he could be), but he is the strand out high character guy this year and looking at the past few drafts, the standouts in that attributes (bonts and wines) are also turning out to be the best as a whole. Lever also plays with a level of aggression and intensity that I haven't seen in Wright. The acl is obviously a worry, but there are concerns on Wright's back too.

If you need a KPF and a KPD and you've got top tier ones available, even if the forward is weaker you always go the forward.

They're much harder to find and much more rare.

You guys need to think outside the square a little with regards to KPDs. Look in the state league for athletic forwards and try and pick them up and make them defenders. Ditto, raid other clubs for underperforming talented forwards - bam, defender. Defenders are easier to manufacture than one would think. Need only look at Blicavs/Rowe/Thompson (GC) for evidence of that.

 

[Aldo]

If you need a KPF and a KPD and you've got top tier ones available, even if the forward is weaker you always go the forward.

They're much harder to find and much more rare.

You guys need to think outside the square a little with regards to KPDs. Look in the state league for athletic forwards and try and pick them up and make them defenders. Ditto, raid other clubs for underperforming talented forwards - bam, defender. Defenders are easier to manufacture than one would think. Need only look at Blicavs/Rowe/Thompson (GC) for evidence of that.

What are your thoughts on Lever's ability to play as a forward? He is definitely a good mark and attacks the ball with intent. He's grown into a key position player size too apparently.

 

[Skippos]

What are your thoughts on Lever's ability to play as a forward? He is definitely a good mark and attacks the ball with intent. He's grown into a key position player size too apparently.

Yeah 194cm confirmed.

Haven't ever seen it but looking at his skill set I think it'd be entirely plausible that he'd be able to do it. Would be a lot like H. Taylor when forward IMO. Not ever going to be a spearhead but could kick the odd bag. That'd be my guess

 

[Kelvin31]

After messing around putting names to picks in the first four rounds of this draft I came up with this as a possible draft. We do pretty well... 4 players 190cm or greater...

First round: Peter Wright (203cm KPF/Ruck)
Second round: Kyle Langford (190cm Utility)
Third round: Zaine Cordy (192cm Defender)
Fourth round:

Spoiler

Caleb Daniel (168cm mid/fwd). Now let's see the world burn. Was looking for a small fwd because we don't have a high level small apart from dahl and... easily the best player there.

Fifth round: Jayden Foster (194cm Key Position Forward)
Sixth round: upgrade Lin Jong

I'm told we are also closely looking at Marcon (Willi) as a late smokey or early rookie.

 

[fronkalicious]

I'm told we are also closely looking at Marcon (Willi) as a late smokey or early rookie.

what sort of player is he Kelvin31 ?

 

[Wizard17]

26 is too early for Cunico (I have him at pick 45). And Rainbow I can assure you will not drop through the draft (I have him at pick 36). Glen MIGHT but I assume that the SA clubs will be all over him in the main draft. Overall a good try though got the composition right.

It's become increasingly likely we'll get our man - Peter Wright at pick 5 in this draft as a lot of phantom drafters have him falling in value due to his lacklustre finals performances and Lever increasing in value due to his professionalism in his rehabilitation and on field leadership skills. I was confident Higgins would walk a couple of months ago and now I'm not so sure. I really hope he does and we get a second round pick for him to use on securing Jaksch.

Here is my perfect scenario come trade and draft time:

Higgins walks, we receive pick 26.
Trade pick 25 to GWS for Jaksch.

Draft:
Pick 5: Peter Wright
Pick 26: Jordan Cunico
Pick 42: Oscar McDonald
Pick 60: Zaine Cordy
5th round: Jayden Foster
Rookie upgrade: Lin Jong

Rookie:
1st round: Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (some have him drafted in the 4th round, others rookie)
2nd round: Josh Glenn - 179cm 78kg, long accurate kicking defender.
3rd round: Brett Eddy - 194cm, 90kg, leading goal kicking forward for the SANFL.
4th round: Sean Tighe - 199cm, 94kg, ruckman in some good form for Williamstown.

Delist: Williams, Gia, Howard, Pearce, Young, Goodes, Austin, Redpath, Greenwood.

 

[Kelvin31]

what sort of player is he Kelvin31 ?

Has won plenty of awards as a junior, but injury has taken him off radars. Small, tough-mid with precise foot. (180cms)
http://www.williamstownfc.com.au/?post_type=player-profiles&p=3599

 

[Wizard17]

Thanks for the info mate was struggling with a few later picks. Marcon would be a good addition. Funny does anyone else see a bit of Libba Snr in Daniel or is it just me?

I'm told we are also closely looking at Marcon (Willi) as a late smokey or early rookie.

 

[Cori]

26 is too early for Cunico (I have him at pick 45). And Rainbow I can assure you will not drop through the draft (I have him at pick 36). Glen MIGHT but I assume that the SA clubs will be all over him in the main draft. Overall a good try though got the composition right.

Yeah. DV-R will go much earlier I think. Cunico could go anywhere between 25 and 45 I reckon, fits what we need, who do you think we'll take with our 2nd pick? I would much prefer Menadue but I think his stock has risen beyond our 2nd round pick.

 

[Cori]

Also, Lever would be wasted in the forward line. He is your standard half back play maker and he is VERY good at it despite being out of the game for so long. A backline consisting of him and two reliable tall stoppers would be fantastic.

 

[Wizard17]

I think that Menadue or Langford will be selected at our second if they are available, if not then Vicker-Willis should be available if we are going for tall mids and McKenzie, Kietel or McDonald if we go tall ( I'd probably go for mids to keep balance in the 2nd and there are some talented small forwards at the 3rd that could be that A grade player we need to release dahlhaus the likes of McLean, Lonie and Anderson could be that. VR I see falling between our second and third but is a smokey if higgins leaves ditto McDonald.

I see it going something along the lines of:

1st: Wright/Lever/Durdin
2nd: Menadue/Langford/Vickers-Willis
3rd: McLean/Lonie/Anderson
4th: Z Cordy
5th: Foster

Yeah. DV-R will go much earlier I think. Cunico could go anywhere between 25 and 45 I reckon, fits what we need, who do you think we'll take with our 2nd pick? I would much prefer Menadue but I think his stock has risen beyond our 2nd round pick.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I have a feeling we're only going to make one or two live draft selections.

 

[Aldo]

Looking pretty likely that Collingwood are going to end up with pick 4 now with Dayne Beams likely going to Brisbane for that pick. Reckon they'll be much more likely than Brisbane to take Wright.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I was in that same function

Um what he says publicly and privately might be slightly different