List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[ThirdLegUp]

Dunstall was Mitch Hahn's height: Brereton was even shorter

Yeah i know Dunstall wasn't overly tall, lazy writting on my part, i was referring more to his frame, very heavy set, kind of like pav, i just find these type of forwards are stronger overall and don't take forever to mature. See, personally, i would bulk stringer up over more, because he has the natural frame, movement and instincts to be that kind of once in a generation forward. A 90's forward if you will. I know most don't agree with me, but that is my belief.

 

[Dogsman16]

Yeah i know Dunstall wasn't overly tall, lazy writting on my part, i was referring more to his frame, very heavy set, kind of like pav, i just find these type of forwards are stronger overall and don't take forever to mature. See, personally, i would bulk stringer up over more, because he has the natural frame, movement and instincts to be that kind of once in a generation forward. A 90's forward if you will. I know most don't agree with me, but that is my belief.

I have argued this every day for the past year on BF. Irrespective of height Stringer is the man to take us forward at FF. We Need a Tom Lynch/ Peter Wright type at CHF though. 192cm plus I think he will go close to 100kg will mean he can be the full forward we desire and need.

 

[stefoid]

I have argued this every day for the past year on BF. Irrespective of height Stringer is the man to take us forward at FF. We Need a Tom Lynch/ Peter Wright type at CHF though. 192cm plus I think he will go close to 100kg will mean he can be the full forward we desire and need.

yeah, he could make a decent FF. But as weird as it seems to a bulldogs supporter, heaps of teams have decent FFs!!

We need a point of difference to get ahead of the pack, particularly against the expansion sides - and our point of difference seems to be a midfield of giants who can kick goals.

 

[ThirdLegUp]

I have argued this every day for the past year on BF. Irrespective of height Stringer is the man to take us forward at FF. We Need a Tom Lynch/ Peter Wright type at CHF though. 192cm plus I think he will go close to 100kg will mean he can be the full forward we desire and need.

Absolutely, someone who is 192cm and 100+ kg and has burst of speed and agility is just a nightmare to match up on. You can find someone as tall, but very few willbe as strong, you can get someone as strong, same qieght class, but they will generally be taller and less mobile and fast. Similer to the mystery of the short bloke. 175cm is short, fast mobile , but 165cm becomes just a bloody nightmare to catch and tackle, like trying to swat a fly, you look stupid more often then you get the bugger. Wizard showed me a vid of that little Daniels fellow, i had to eat my words, he is a dynamo. Same sort of dillema when trying to stop a dunstall type. just that mixture of size and strength and mobility...= wow

 

[Dogsman16]

Absolutely, someone who is 192cm and 100+ kg and has burst of speed and agility is just a nightmare to match up on. You can find someone as tall, but very few willbe as strong, you can get someone as strong, same qieght class, but they will generally be taller and less mobile and fast. Similer to the mystery of the short bloke. 175cm is short, fast mobile , but 165cm becomes just a bloody nightmare to catch and tackle, like trying to swat a fly, you look stupid more often then you get the bugger. Wizard showed me a vid of that little Daniels fellow, i had to eat my words, he is a dynamo. Same sort of dillema when trying to stop a dunstall type. just that mixture of size and strength and mobility...= wow

A 165cm midfielder never gets tackled properly just gets free kicks, its almost as if players or that size can be a weapon rather than a weakness for a side. I personally would go Caleb Daniel with a late pick if he was there because without question hes the best footballer outside the top 20 suggested, plus he has got a good leg on him with his ball use and speed, he virtually has everything. He would be so damaging as a small forward or a high half forward at AFL, I have huge wraps on him.

Stringer should and will be playing FF for us for years to come and a weapon he can also use to his advantage is his work at stoppages inside forward 50 which forces his slower opponent to lose tough with him.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

What if he wants out....

He's contracted. He can want out all he likes, Essendon still need proper compensation. It'll take something like pick 6 and Jones/Grant/Wood etc. something like that. And it's a great deal for us.

 

[Dogsman16]

yeah, he could make a decent FF. But as weird as it seems to a bulldogs supporter, heaps of teams have decent FFs!!

We need a point of difference to get ahead of the pack, particularly against the expansion sides - and our point of difference seems to be a midfield of giants who can kick goals.

Got a feeling that in 3 or 4 years time hypothetically if we play against the expansion side in a final then we just don't win unless our midfield wins and wins convincingly. Heres the comparison.

Libba, Wallis, Bonts, Macrae, Hrovat, (griff to be HBF)
Treloar, Ward, Shiel, Congilio, Green
O'Meara, Swallow, Prestia, Lonegan, Bennell/McKenzie/KK (ablett small forward)

Can we beat these midfields with our young mids (potentially)
Does it guarantee the win, NO.

It is why I am not against say a Laverde or Pickett (someone with speed and ball use) to provide a point of difference if we can't land a tall forward. We cannot beat these sides without the best midfield possible, as we need B Hill/S. Hill/I.Smith outside runners.
Trade or get FA established tall defenders or rucks if need be when our time comes.

 

[Wizard17]

Looks like we think the same Dogsman if we still have a few delistings to go on senior spots (or trades) I wouldn't be against getting Daniel late kid is an absolute gun. Love the way he manages to stand up in tackles and weave through packs to kick goals he had no right to kick, not to even mention he averaged 20 disposals 2 goals during the champs (@90 something %) and is All Australian.

A 165cm midfielder never gets tackled properly just gets free kicks, its almost as if players or that size can be a weapon rather than a weakness for a side. I personally would go Caleb Daniel with a late pick if he was there because without question hes the best footballer outside the top 20 suggested, plus he has got a good leg on him with his ball use and speed, he virtually has everything. He would be so damaging as a small forward or a high half forward at AFL, I have huge wraps on him.

Stringer should and will be playing FF for us for years to come and a weapon he can also use to his advantage is his work at stoppages inside forward 50 which forces his slower opponent to lose tough with him.

 

[Dogsman16]

If that were to eventuate (doubt it will happen) I can't see Essendon picking Wright. Bellchambers will become our number 1 ruckman and Daniher will pinch hit.

Hypothetically if pick 3 becomes pick 4 due to frawley compo and Petrecca, McCartin, Brayshaw are all gone who do the bombers choose. Can't see you taking a tall defender in Durdin or Lever either. Laverde?

 

[Leezorr]

Hypothetically if pick 3 becomes pick 4 due to frawley compo and Petrecca, McCartin, Brayshaw are all gone who do the bombers choose. Can't see you taking a tall defender in Durdin or Lever either. Laverde?

Wright seems a Daniher Clone, Laverde or Ahern maybe.

 

[Ambrosia]

Hypothetically if pick 3 becomes pick 4 due to frawley compo and Petrecca, McCartin, Brayshaw are all gone who do the bombers choose. Can't see you taking a tall defender in Durdin or Lever either. Laverde?

Tall defender is a possibility but I suggest it would most likely be best a available pick

 

[Pannalstaroz]

My picks, in order of preference are:
Peter Wright
D. Aylight
Jake Lever
Patrick McCartin
Sam Durdin
Hugh Goddard
Reece McKenzie

If you saw TAC Cup FutureStars I hope you'll agree with me that McKenzie looks possibly the dumbest kid in the draft, but he's got good size, can catch it and can kick it. Guaranteed to go up the order between now and November

 

[Zgope1]

My picks, in order of preference are:
Peter Wright
D. Aylight
Jake Lever
Patrick McCartin
Sam Durdin
Hugh Goddard
Reece McKenzie

If you saw TAC Cup FutureStars I hope you'll agree with me that McKenzie looks possibly the dumbest kid in the draft, but he's got good size, can catch it and can kick it. Guaranteed to go up the order between now and November

i was thinking "who the f*** is this kid?".... got me

 

[Cori]

My picks, in order of preference are:
Peter Wright
D. Aylight
Jake Lever
Patrick McCartin
Sam Durdin
Hugh Goddard
Reece McKenzie

If you saw TAC Cup FutureStars I hope you'll agree with me that McKenzie looks possibly the dumbest kid in the draft, but he's got good size, can catch it and can kick it. Guaranteed to go up the order between now and November

That's my list as well. I'd be happy with any of the top 4. Each fit a deficiency and are quality players.

 

[Pauldog54]

Matt Goodyear! Kid will be a star hard worker bit of a freak i reckon mid to late pick gold!

 

[goodcop badcop]

Interesting you place him as a CHF. He would have to move pretty well. For some reason every time I think of a big 200cm, 100kg type of forward, I automatically think of them as a Full Forward, just sitting in the square taking grabs in the air. CHF seems to be more for the tall, and athletic types who mark on the lead.

I guess part of the reason you didn't mark him down as a traditional FF role, is the fact he doesn't use his body well yet?

Yes, under a high ball he's not very good at this stage and I think more of a traditional forward is quite quick over the first 5 metres or so. I wouldn't label Wright as very quick over the first 5 metres.

 

[igloo dweller]

hi draft-watchers.

of the key defenders (lever, durdin, goddard), am i right in thinking that lever has the most ability to 'take a game over' playing in defence (the way that granty, glen jako, the chad, brian lake used to do)?

good, solid, shut down, role players are great...goddard looks a monster body with the ability to negate a variety of KPFs. but do you draft that type of guy with P6!? tom lonergan (P23, P50 rookie), heath grundy (P42 rookie), zac dawson (P41).

i've been steadfast with my preference to keep P6 and draft lever, goddard, durdin or laverde. i'm waivering, now leaning towards laverde as a game changer and then mcdonald in the second round...

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I think our midfield has taken shape with Clay Smith and hopefully Prudden to get out on the park sometime next year. We need to draft a number of talls as speculative picks, especially as we can now develop them in the VFL
I would like us to draft. Wright (5 or 6), compo for Higgins (late first round pick) Goddard, maybe a new ruck as our stocks are an injury off from disaster. Definitely rookie some talls well.

 

[Dav1d]

I think our midfield has taken shape with Clay Smith and hopefully Prudden to get out on the park sometime next year. We need to draft a number of talls as speculative picks, especially as we can now develop them in the VFL
I would like us to draft. Wright (5 or 6), compo for Higgins (late first round pick) Goddard, maybe a new ruck as our stocks are an injury off from disaster. Definitely rookie some talls well.

I hope we don't draft all talls in the N.D
2-3 would be enough for the National Draft
can go bananas in the rookie draft

I'm hoping for something like Wright, Keitel, Menadue, Cordy, Viojo-Rainbow

Wright gone? then Lever, Finlayson, Menadue, Cordy
hoping like hell we retain Jones..because wouldn't want the pressure been on a fresh new recruits shoulders..
though maybe these are our plans for Bontempelli (possibly ) ?

 

[fronkalicious]

I wouldnt be at all surprised if Laverde jumped into the top 3.

 

[Mutt]

I wouldnt be at all surprised if Laverde jumped into the top 3.

If there is to be a Macrae or Bontempelli style bolter then Laverde is my tip early in the first round and Manadue to be selected in or very near the top 10.

 

[TBOW]

I wouldnt be at all surprised if Laverde jumped into the top 3.

Yeah. Strikes me as a much faster, less composed Macrae. Can see him appealing to GWS & Brisbane.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Ugh, the thought of Laverde going to Brisbane after we were torn apart by Taylor/Bewick/Zorko etc makes me sick.

If it means we get a shot at Wright though, so be it.

 

[fronkalicious]

Yeah. Strikes me as a much faster, less composed Macrae. Can see him appealing to GWS & Brisbane.

I haven't seen any of these guys at all, so just going off some industry chat, but I could find you a couple of "experts" that feel he has the highest ceiling of any player in the draft. I personally have absolutely no idea!

 

[Dav1d]

Ugh, the thought of Laverde going to Brisbane after we were torn apart by Taylor/Bewick/Zorko etc makes me sick.

If it means we get a shot at Wright though, so be it.

thanks for the reminding

we were defending horribly though, around the midfield
kept giving them the space to run into and once they had that, couldn't catch them

they'll probably use it to get Beams though, a sure thing

I haven't seen any of these guys at all, so just going off some industry chat, but I could find you a couple of "experts" that feel he has the highest ceiling of any player in the draft. I personally have absolutely no idea!

there is footage of him up on Youtube actually

was a bit quiet when he went back to the Jets as well, took a massive mark one week though
has a whole bag of tricks