List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Cori]

Nah, Durdin is a luscious, light, forest brunette. Delightful.

 

[Dav1d]

I think some (not necessarily here, definitely Facebook) need to remember
just because they play as a KPD or a KPF, an outside midfielder etc

doesn't necessarily mean it will be the position they play in at AFL level

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I think some (not necessarily here, definitely Facebook) need to remember
just because they play as a KPD or a KPF, an outside midfielder etc

doesn't necessarily mean it will be the position they play in at AFL level

So you're telling me the 194cm Durdin won't be a ruckman at AFL level?!

 

[Dav1d]

So you're telling me the 194cm Durdin won't be a ruckman at AFL level?!

I made sure I didn't say ruck
and he is taller then 194cm when I last checked
thought he was 2-3cm taller

 

[True Dog]

You could be right, and don't get me wrong - I really like him - but if we're selecting between Wright and McCartin I just think Paddy is almost an automatic choice. I don't really rate Wright as a ruckman and think he's middle-of-the-road so that's probably where we differ.

An 18 year old Wright mighten be the best ruckman going around but a 23/24 year old just might be the best in the comp?... His running ability and footy smarts will make him a very dangerous prospect in my book... I personally think the ceiling on this kid is as high as they come..

 

[True Dog]

But then again who am I....

 

[Wizard17]

Reckon Dally will bring in small groups of kids from the same club/state/etc this year?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

An 18 year old Wright mighten be the best ruckman going around but a 23/24 year old just might be the best in the comp?... His running ability and footy smarts will make him a very dangerous prospect in my book... I personally think the ceiling on this kid is as high as they come..

Yep, you have good points. It's very much a 'wait and see' proposition with Wright. I would be extremely happy if he ended up a Dog - but if it comes down to a choice between the two, I think Paddy is a better one.

 

[_M_16_]

I would be staggered if McCartin falls out of the top three. With Clark moving clubs, Melbourne aren't as stocked for KPFs as people seem to think they are. Dawes and Pederson are average, Hogan may never play footy to an elite level again and who else is there? Gawn? If McCartin fell out of top three it would be an enormous shock, even if the Dees do keep that pick.

Well Melbourne are also short of defensive stocks as well, and need to replace Frawley, hence I think a defender, or perhaps even a second midfielders are just as good a chance to go.

 

[Dav1d]

Well Melbourne are also short of defensive stocks as well, and need to replace Frawley, hence I think a defender, or perhaps even a second midfielders are just as good a chance to go.

Lever? =O

Nooooo

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Well Melbourne are also short of defensive stocks as well, and need to replace Frawley, hence I think a defender, or perhaps even a second midfielders are just as good a chance to go.

Frawley played in the forward line for a lot of the year, with Garland, McDonald, Dunn and Howe playing back. I agree they could use some depth at either end, but I'd be pretty shocked if they went for Lever or Durdin over McCartin. Doesn't mean it won't happen, just that, from my perspective, it wouldn't make much sense.

 

[Dale4captain]

Draft watchers, I have a few questions for you. I understand they're very difficult and objective questions, but I'd appreciate an answer of sorts none the less.

Wright - Whats his ceiling? My information says he still struggles with the contested mark and is lacking a little bit of pace, but he has elite kicking skills and can run like no-one else his size. Are we buying a slightly upgraded Cordy, or are we going to end up with someone closer to Tippo?

McCartin - Again, what's his ceiling? He's not anywhere near the level this year that Boyd Or Patton were, he doesn't have a big tank and his goal kicking isn't top notch, but he can crash packs and is a great contested mark. Are we buying an upgraded Chris Dawes or more a Jack Riewoldt type?

Durdin - Can he get to anywhere near his projected talent? Was woeful this year by all reports, barely touched the ball. Were injuries really the cause? Can he become the Carlisle like swingman or more a D Talia style fullback?

Lever - Injuries are scary. His numbers at the combine were rough to say the least with 3.2 seconds in the 20m sprint, but I guess this is expected coming back from a knee 12 months on. He's an outstanding character, but what kind of player will he end up being? Josh Gibson? Athletic CHB that can go with anyone?

 

[Aldo]

Draft watchers, I have a few questions for you. I understand they're very difficult and objective questions, but I'd appreciate an answer of sorts none the less.

Wright - Whats his ceiling? My information says he still struggles with the contested mark and is lacking a little bit of pace, but he has elite kicking skills and can run like no-one else his size. Are we buying a slightly upgraded Cordy, or are we going to end up with someone closer to Tippo?

McCartin - Again, what's his ceiling? He's not anywhere near the level this year that Boyd Or Patton were, he doesn't have a big tank and his goal kicking isn't top notch, but he can crash packs and is a great contested mark. Are we buying an upgraded Chris Dawes or more a Jack Riewoldt type?

Durdin - Can he get to anywhere near his projected talent? Was woeful this year by all reports, barely touched the ball. Were injuries really the cause? Can he become the Carlisle like swingman or more a D Talia style fullback?

Lever - Injuries are scary. His numbers at the combine were rough to say the least with 3.2 seconds in the 20m sprint, but I guess this is expected coming back from a knee 12 months on. He's an outstanding character, but what kind of player will he end up being? Josh Gibson? Athletic CHB that can go with anyone?

Just on Lever, since I'm his biggest fan:

In his recent interview, he said he started coaching the midfield group at the Cannons. On his motivation on why coach the midfield, he said along the lines of "I'm 194cm, which is a good size for a modern midfielder, so I thought it would be important to be involved in that area". His coach also said that prior to the injury he wanted to play him in the midfield this year.

I would not be surprised at all if he became another tall midfielder with marking ability.

My ideal situation is to get him and Wright. Those two are thought to have a great friendship and rivalry and love to push each other. Having two guys like that at the club woud be awesome.

 

[VitalDread]

lever and bonti playing in the midfield with that height and talent.
I like this.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Draft watchers, I have a few questions for you. I understand they're very difficult and objective questions, but I'd appreciate an answer of sorts none the less.

D4c, asking the hard questions.

They're all extremely speculative and it's likely that everybody would have a different answer, but I'll give my thoughts.

Wright - Whats his ceiling? My information says he still struggles with the contested mark and is lacking a little bit of pace, but he has elite kicking skills and can run like no-one else his size. Are we buying a slightly upgraded Cordy, or are we going to end up with someone closer to Tippo?

I see him as being more like Tippett than Cordy. He is a good contested mark, but will likely never be a Hawkins type (but not many are!). The biggest thing with Wright is his combination of skills. He's already a better contested mark than Cordy ever will be, and has the propensity to improve that further as he develops. He also moves really well, and has brilliant endurance, though, so the defenders that focus solely on one-on-one battles are unlikely to be able to go with him. He's one of those guys that will likely have one opponent when close to goal, but a totally different opponent when he rotates up the ground - a bit like Riewoldt, or Buddy. He's good on the lead, good one-on-one, and good up the ground. Once he gets going, he's incredibly difficult to stop. Zaine Cordy had his measure for three quarters, then Wright kicked two quick ones through no fault of Zaine's. From then on, he kicked four more in a little over a quarter. Once he gets going, you ain't stopping him.

That said, he's still very rough around the edges, and - while he says he feels more comfortable up forward - he doesn't look it just yet. He has a lot of work to do. I'm confident in his ceiling being more Tippett than Cordy - provided the back issues are gone.

McCartin - Again, what's his ceiling? He's not anywhere near the level this year that Boyd Or Patton were, he doesn't have a big tank and his goal kicking isn't top notch, but he can crash packs and is a great contested mark. Are we buying an upgraded Chris Dawes or more a Jack Riewoldt type?

He's a very physically developed boy so it's no real surprise he can dominate at the junior level. He has all the tools to be a good AFL player (and I suggest he makes more of an immediate impact than many young KPPs), but I'm not sure if he ever becomes a dominant type. I'd imagine somewhere between Dawes and Riewoldt. Perhaps a Tex Walker circa 2014 - so good, but not elite.

Durdin - Can he get to anywhere near his projected talent? Was woeful this year by all reports, barely touched the ball. Were injuries really the cause? Can he become the Carlisle like swingman or more a D Talia style fullback?

He's a very, very average forward so I'd cross that off your list straight away. He may swing forward occasionally but it's not going to be to a Harry Taylor/Jake Carlisle level imo.

The problem with Durdin is that, while impressive in previous years, he seriously struggled as a key defender this year. His good games came in the ruck, and at mid-190s with an average leap he ain't playing that role at AFL level. I'm a big fan of his skill set and think he can be a genuine premier CHB, but his form this year is a real concern. He's one of the biggest question marks in the draft for mine and I still don't know how I feel about his year. As much as I've been a big fan all year, I don't think I'd be taking him in the top 7 or 8 anymore. Could be a premier CHB; could be a flop of epic proportions. If he was 5-6 centimetres taller he'd be a dominant ruckman at AFL level - but he's not, and he struggled in his likely AFL role at junior level/SANFL this year.

Lever - Injuries are scary. His numbers at the combine were rough to say the least with 3.2 seconds in the 20m sprint, but I guess this is expected coming back from a knee 12 months on. He's an outstanding character, but what kind of player will he end up being? Josh Gibson? Athletic CHB that can go with anyone?

It was miraculous that he even ran at the combine let alone did well, so I'm not concerned about the numbers.

I see him as having the ability to develop into a really excellent CHB who is capable of playing both an offensive and defensive role. Sort of like a more athletic Scott Thompson without the one-on-one ability being quite as good. The question is whether he can ever develop into a genuine key position player, or whether he plays that Josh Gibson sort of role for his career. The concern for me is whether he gets exposed when isolated at AFL level - and he will in the short term. I see the tools there to be capable of developing into that KPD in time, and given his maturity and character, he will absolutely get the best out of himself.

The injury is a concern as he may have dropped off or stagnated this season, though, granted. I think with his skill set and physical stature he's more than capable of continuing to develop, though.

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

In all likelihood we will get GWS first pick and either a secondary player or perhaps a second rond pick.

If that is the case it is likely to be Wright as McCartin will have probably already been snapped up. That being the case I am really warming to Goddard at pick 6, I am extremely confident he could be an excellent CHB and I'm still believing he could be a very good CHF in a few years time. I would see him playing in our senior team next year as a second or third tall back, he is a long way ahead of Cordy at this stage. When and if Cordy is ready in 3 years time by then Goddard could have been tried up forward.

 

[AjsGuns]

Such as?

Not to sure who else would be around Jaksch's level maybe a James Stewart with Picks #4 and #19. Can't see him getting a spot in the future with Cameron, Boyd, Patton and even McCarthy fighting for the spots. I'd personally prefer Cam McCarthy but don't think GWS would include him. I'd still prefer #4 and #7 but I'd settle on #4, #19 and Stewart, Would give us a CHF and FF combo in Wright and Stewart and allow us to draft a Cockatoo/Duggan/De Goey/Menadue at #19 (Although I think Menadue will be there at #26). Our Forward line would eventually finally have 2 KPP's, Stringer and Crameri as the third talls with Dahl and Hunter the goal sneaks! we would still also have #6, #26, #27, #44 to go into the draft with as well as whoever we get with #19.

 

[Dale4captain]

D4c, asking the hard questions.

They're all extremely speculative and it's likely that everybody would have a different answer, but I'll give my thoughts.



I see him as being more like Tippett than Cordy. He is a good contested mark, but will likely never be a Hawkins type (but not many are!). The biggest thing with Wright is his combination of skills. He's already a better contested mark than Cordy ever will be, and has the propensity to improve that further as he develops. He also moves really well, and has brilliant endurance, though, so the defenders that focus solely on one-on-one battles are unlikely to be able to go with him. He's one of those guys that will likely have one opponent when close to goal, but a totally different opponent when he rotates up the ground - a bit like Riewoldt, or Buddy. He's good on the lead, good one-on-one, and good up the ground. Once he gets going, he's incredibly difficult to stop. Zaine Cordy had his measure for three quarters, then Wright kicked two quick ones through no fault of Zaine's. From then on, he kicked four more in a little over a quarter. Once he gets going, you ain't stopping him.

That said, he's still very rough around the edges, and - while he says he feels more comfortable up forward - he doesn't look it just yet. He has a lot of work to do. I'm confident in his ceiling being more Tippett than Cordy - provided the back issues are gone.



He's a very physically developed boy so it's no real surprise he can dominate at the junior level. He has all the tools to be a good AFL player (and I suggest he makes more of an immediate impact than many young KPPs), but I'm not sure if he ever becomes a dominant type. I'd imagine somewhere between Dawes and Riewoldt. Perhaps a Tex Walker circa 2014 - so good, but not elite.



He's a very, very average forward so I'd cross that off your list straight away. He may swing forward occasionally but it's not going to be to a Harry Taylor/Jake Carlisle level imo.

The problem with Durdin is that, while impressive in previous years, he seriously struggled as a key defender this year. His good games came in the ruck, and at mid-190s with an average leap he ain't playing that role at AFL level. I'm a big fan of his skill set and think he can be a genuine premier CHB, but his form this year is a real concern. He's one of the biggest question marks in the draft for mine and I still don't know how I feel about his year. As much as I've been a big fan all year, I don't think I'd be taking him in the top 7 or 8 anymore. Could be a premier CHB; could be a flop of epic proportions. If he was 5-6 centimetres taller he'd be a dominant ruckman at AFL level - but he's not, and he struggled in his likely AFL role at junior level/SANFL this year.



It was miraculous that he even ran at the combine let alone did well, so I'm not concerned about the numbers.

I see him as having the ability to develop into a really excellent CHB who is capable of playing both an offensive and defensive role. Sort of like a more athletic Scott Thompson without the one-on-one ability being quite as good. The question is whether he can ever develop into a genuine key position player, or whether he plays that Josh Gibson sort of role for his career. The concern for me is whether he gets exposed when isolated at AFL level - and he will in the short term. I see the tools there to be capable of developing into that KPD in time, and given his maturity and character, he will absolutely get the best out of himself.

The injury is a concern as he may have dropped off or stagnated this season, though, granted. I think with his skill set and physical stature he's more than capable of continuing to develop, though.

Brilliant. Thanks, Dan.

I was of the opinion that Wright was a pretty average contested mark, so if you're saying he's actually pretty proficient, then that makes me think he's the one for us. Still think Melbourne will grab him with pick 3, though.

Lever is the other big risk, as you've said but it could be a Jakey Stringer like risk and pay off I guess. Would be more than happy if we picked him up in the top 7. Durdin, as you've pointed out is one that I don't see us grabbing, but if our recruiters think he's got it then I'll back them. Wouldn't be my choice of the 4 listed, though. He's about 198cm, isn't he? At that size you need Minson like bulk and he doesn't look like he can add anything near that.

McCartin is just frustrating to think about. Not the dominant key we need, but could be a good solid forward.

 

[Dav1d]

Brilliant. Thanks, Dan.

I was of the opinion that Wright was a pretty average contested mark, so if you're saying he's actually pretty proficient, then that makes me think he's the one for us. Still think Melbourne will grab him with pick 3, though.

Lever is the other big risk, as you've said but it could be a Jakey Stringer like risk and pay off I guess. Would be more than happy if we picked him up in the top 7. Durdin, as you've pointed out is one that I don't see us grabbing, but if our recruiters think he's got it then I'll back them. Wouldn't be my choice of the 4 listed, though. He's about 198cm, isn't he? At that size you need Minson like bulk and he doesn't look like he can add anything near that.

McCartin is just frustrating to think about. Not the dominant key we need, but could be a good solid forward.

also



he isn't that slow, Wright

Garlett looks a player to

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Brilliant. Thanks, Dan.

I was of the opinion that Wright was a pretty average contested mark, so if you're saying he's actually pretty proficient, then that makes me think he's the one for us. Still think Melbourne will grab him with pick 3, though.

Lever is the other big risk, as you've said but it could be a Jakey Stringer like risk and pay off I guess. Would be more than happy if we picked him up in the top 7. Durdin, as you've pointed out is one that I don't see us grabbing, but if our recruiters think he's got it then I'll back them. Wouldn't be my choice of the 4 listed, though. He's about 198cm, isn't he? At that size you need Minson like bulk and he doesn't look like he can add anything near that.

McCartin is just frustrating to think about. Not the dominant key we need, but could be a good solid forward.

I don't think he's a 'pretty average contested mark,' personally, but it's certainly not the element of his game that you'd be selling as the one part of his game that will see him be selected. The advantage he will always have is that height - at 203cm, he'll pose a real problem for most defenders when he develops. Don't have pace and he'll get you on the lead; don't have endurance and he'll run you ragged up the ground; don't have height and he'll just stick his arms up in the air; don't have strength and he'll rag doll you in the contest. I don't want to make it seem like he's the perfect player though: given his athleticism you'd expect him to be a pressure merchant, but he isn't. He isn't physical enough. He's inconsistent. He can at times look like a 'confidence player.' He's raw. Etc.

Durdin is 195-196 I believe, and certainly won't come close to Minson-level bulk.

 

[Dav1d]

Dannnnnnnnnn

Where do you personally rate Blakely?

I'm wondering if we happen to want a midfielder in the second round
if he would be a good fit, think he could definitely be more ready made
playing against senior WAFL players, including some ex-AFL players

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Dannnnnnnnnn

Where do you personally rate Blakely?

I'm wondering if we happen to want a midfielder in the second round
if he would be a good fit, think he could definitely be more ready made
playing against senior WAFL players, including some ex-AFL players

He's one I haven't got a good gauge on. I don't see him being anything special but he's certainly well-placed to come in and play a role in the short to medium term. I'd say early-to-mid second round, personally.

 

[fronkalicious]

Is laverde a possible answer to our running half back woes or do draft watchers see him moving into the midfield at afl level? Love the size, speed and attacking mindset.

 

[Dav1d]

He's one I haven't got a good gauge on. I don't see him being anything special but he's certainly well-placed to come in and play a role in the short to medium term. I'd say early-to-mid second round, personally.

Yeah

I am wondering since we'll have the two picks there, if we don't use them in any trades or for pick upgrades
if he would be a player worth looking at, I understand what you mean by nothing special but think there could be a role for him definitely
I think he is also a pretty good kick under a lot of pressure as well


If we ended up with 4 and 19, we'd have 4, 6, 19, 26, 27

That is a lot of new faces, what would be your preferences at each pick for now?

 

[Kelvin31]

I've only scanned a few (10+) pages on this thread today but I noticed some posters putting up Cam McCarthy and Tom Boyd in the Griffen deal.

Impossible.

Any young player drafted has to serve the compulsory 2 years AFL draft contact. So it would be impossible for GWS to off load them. Just like Collingwood would NOT be able to get Aish even if he wanted to.

James Stewart yes, but not anyone kid drafted in 2013.