List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion

[Dav1d]

Yeah, I thought VW might go earlier

and think he'd be a good pick for us, if he could clean up his kicking

 

[wills doggies]

26 Menadue
27 Blakely
39 McDonald
Would be wrapped if we ended up with those 3 blokes all have big futures ahead of them and just image what menadue can do if he has a big pre-season and add to that light frame there's heaps of improvement inside that boy!

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Yeah, I thought VW might go earlier

and think he'd be a good pick for us, if he could clean up his kicking

What're your concerns with his kicking? He went at around 80% in the Champs and I don't really see much wrong with his kicking. He's a pretty clean ball-user from my perspective.

 

[Dav1d]

What're your concerns with his kicking? He went at around 80% in the Champs and I don't really see much wrong with his kicking. He's a pretty clean ball-user from my perspective.

He isn't the most penetrating kick, the ball hangs in the air a while

I've seen him completely shank it a few times
but his decision making is probably what sets him apart from other players

 

[fronkalicious]

Do we really need another 190cm defensive utility?? Seems kinda meh to me.

And forgive the prejudice, but melbourne grammar boys?? Gimme a battler from the burbs any day.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

He isn't the most penetrating kick, the ball hangs in the air a while

I've seen him completely shank it a few times
but his decision making is probably what sets him apart from other players

Fair enough. I think he can loop it a little bit but it's not a real problem; his kicks hit the target much, much more often than not.

Do we really need another 190cm defensive utility?? Seems kinda meh to me.

And forgive the prejudice, but melbourne grammar boys?? Gimme a battler from the burbs any day.

He won't look impressive on a highlights video; he's somebody you need to watch live to appreciate. He's a really, really hard worker who can look laconic at times but just gets the job done and is comfortable in pretty much any role on the field. He's played as a deep forward target, a high half-forward, through the middle, at full-back, at CHB and as a rebounding defender at different stages this year. Coach's pet.

I don't really think we have many 190cm defensive utilities in the first place either to be honest...Morris aside, Wood is really the only one coming to mind apart from perhaps Jong (but that's a stretch). He's not my first choice but I don't mind him.

 

[Some Idiot]

Fair enough. I think he can loop it a little bit but it's not a real problem; his kicks hit the target much, much more often than not.



He won't look impressive on a highlights video; he's somebody you need to watch live to appreciate. He's a really, really hard worker who can look laconic at times but just gets the job done and is comfortable in pretty much any role on the field. He's played as a deep forward target, a high half-forward, through the middle, at full-back, at CHB and as a rebounding defender at different stages this year. Coach's pet.

I don't really think we have many 190cm defensive utilities in the first place either to be honest...Morris aside, Wood is really the only one coming to mind apart from perhaps Jong (but that's a stretch). He's not my first choice but I don't mind him.

We're drafting Zaine Cordy though, its an interesting type of player to draft two of in one draft.

 

[Dav1d]

That's because Oscar is considered a strong chance of being drafted when the NAB AFL Draft is held on the Gold Coast on November 27 after charging into draft calculations with an outstanding finish to the TAC Cup season.
Four years ago, Tom was picked up at the somewhat speculative pick No.53 in the 2010 NAB AFL Draft.
Oscar might go a little earlier with few experts predicting he will still be around when Melbourne uses its third pick at No.40.


http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-12/can-oscar-live-with-me-asks-tom

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

We're drafting Zaine Cordy though, its an interesting type of player to draft two of in one draft.

Pretty different players though, to me. Dalrymple sees Cordy as a genuine KPD whereas V-W is more of a utility that gets moved around to deal with the demands of the game. Cordy thrives on the contests whereas V-W is capable in them but prefers to play off his man a little and balance offense with defense a little moreso than Zaine does.

 

[Dav1d]

fwiw this is what Skippos said about him,
I do rate him, but I'm going to have to side with fronk

Pick 28 - Carlton: Ed Vickers-Willis (Vic Metro, Tall Utility)

190 cm, 82 kg, 28/3/96
Range: Top 40
Style: Ricky Henderson

Vickers-Willis presents as a very interesting player. While he looks a bit laconic and almost uncoordinated on the field, it's clear that he's a natural footballer. While his kicking technique isn't aesthetically pleasing, the ball gets where it needs to go and he's a good user of the football. His vision and spatial awareness is excellent, he just seems to know who's around him which allows him to make excellent decisions. In defence he's very accountable, being able to play taller if need be but perhaps being more suited to the smalls. He's able to close down well and zone off and intercept. He's got a big frame and some real endurance and is able to run off.

While he's not pretty to watch sometimes, he has a knack of getting the job done. He's not the kind of half back who's going to play that elite kicking rebound game, nor is he the type who's going to dash at any opportunity, but he is the type who's going to play his role week in week out without any fuss. As a midfielder he's capable of playing a hard running link up game, leaning outside. With his body and spacial awareness he could develop an inside game. In defence he plays a similar style of football to Ricky Henderson, except more defensively sound. Through the middle he could conceivably develop into a similar style of player to Jack Crisp.

Evaluation of his prospects: Vickers-Willis could go any number of ways and is someone I've struggled to get a read on all year so it's tough for me to judge him. I think he'll be given every opportunity to make the grade though given his unique skillset.

 

[stefoid]

It's the fact he's a key forward a farther son and if he is a late bloomer like his old man it will blow this forum up like nothing has done before.
Are you saying he has no chance at all to play at AFL level at all .
For me i would have taken the chance last year on the rookie list and under our system see what he could do at Footscray.

The club that breeds together, succeeds together!

 

[JJHunter]

26 Menadue
27 Blakely
39 McDonald
Would be wrapped if we ended up with those 3 blokes all have big futures ahead of them and just image what menadue can do if he has a big pre-season and add to that light frame there's heaps of improvement inside that boy!

exactly my wants

 

[Zephiisdaman]

Explain Boomer. Plays most of his football under a roof at Etihad, but is still an immense player. I feel like if there's a super talented kid who is short, we may as well role the dice with a late pick if he's still around. Or perhaps a rookie spot. Rookie is probably safest.

Difference is that Boomer is super quick and kicks goals. Different player, Libba was built for the 80s and 90s not for today, his tackling was absolutely elite as was his determination and heart size, but his kicking was poor and he wasn't overly quick. Boomer has been quick, elite kick and kicks goals.
If Daniel is like Harvey I have no issue, but if he is like Libba senior then he might not cut it.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

He has a good burst of speed, ran under 3 seconds at the combine over 20m and has good agility. He does need to improve his endurance a bit. I'm warming to him, he would offer us a lot of value in a few different parts of the ground.

I read Knightmare's draft analysis on a lot of the expected draft prospects. Maynard was one that interested me as I remember his dad Rodney playing when the Crows first started. Knightmare has been a little harsh on him, saying he needs a lot of work on endurance, but other facets also.
I guess what he wrote put me off quite a bit. I will be interested where he goes.

 

[Dav1d]

I read Knightmare's draft analysis on a lot of the expected draft prospects. Maynard was one that interested me as I remember his dad Rodney playing when the Crows first started. Knightmare has been a little harsh on him, saying he needs a lot of work on endurance, but other facets also.
I guess what he wrote put me off quite a bit. I will be interested where he goes.

should have seen his posts on Keitel at the start of the year vs the ones after the Champs

 

[Zephiisdaman]

It's interesting that most draft analysts now have 2 Metre Peter dropping down the list a bit. Suggesting he may get as far as Geelongs pick.
I wonder if after all the early hullaballoo whether or not we would have pulled the trigger on him. No doubt he would have been available at 6, whether that was paying "overs" is now debatable.
It shows one thing, that ruckmen are not rated highly at all any more. Even if they have a bit of a forward skill also.
Does anyone think maybe we have dodged a bullet? Hoping also that Boyd steps up to show his projected potential.

 

[Dogsman16]

It's interesting that most draft analysts now have 2 Metre Peter dropping down the list a bit. Suggesting he may get as far as Geelongs pick.
I wonder if after all the early hullaballoo whether or not we would have pulled the trigger on him. No doubt he would have been available at 6, whether that was paying "overs" is now debatable.
It shows one thing, that ruckmen are not rated highly at all any more. Even if they have a bit of a forward skill also.
Does anyone think maybe we have dodged a bullet? Hoping also that Boyd steps up to show his projected potential.

Matthew Kruezer is solely to blame for this. Shouldn't be taking ruckman with top 10 picks. Wright has shown ability as a forward due to his mobility but he is only going to get heavier and slower and his contested side of his game is far below average. Think Carlton fans would be devastated that Murphy, Judd, Cotchin and Gibbs could all have been in the midfield.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

should have seen his posts on Keitel at the start of the year vs the ones after the Champs

Ahhhh, so that is where you got the info to skewer Keitel. What it boils down to is this, it doesn't matter what you or I think. It is what Dalrymple and JMac think. I have said all along I am no draft expert and don't pretend to be. I think I know the type of players we require, which are many. But generally I figure you have to have faith in your recruitment team, after all they should know better than all of us.
Whoever they choose need to be supported by all of us, then after a good amount of viewing a solid opinion can be made. There are bound to be drifters and bolters, I remember when we drafted Hrovat, I was disappointed we didn't pick up Membrey because I figured we were desperate for a forward, no matter the size. I am glad we got Hrovat now instead of Membrey. But that taught me a lesson, let the recruiters worry about the recruiting.

 

[Dav1d]

Ahhhh, so that is where you got the info to skewer Keitel. What it boils down to is this, it doesn't matter what you or I think. It is what Dalrymple and JMac think. I have said all along I am no draft expert and don't pretend to be. I think I know the type of players we require, which are many. But generally I figure you have to have faith in your recruitment team, after all they should know better than all of us.
Whoever they choose need to be supported by all of us, then after a good amount of viewing a solid opinion can be made. There are bound to be drifters and bolters, I remember when we drafted Hrovat, I was disappointed we didn't pick up Membrey because I figured we were desperate for a forward, no matter the size. I am glad we got Hrovat now instead of Membrey. But that taught me a lesson, let the recruiters worry about the recruiting.

I didn't get the info off of Knightmare, and Keitel was one of my favourite players of the Champs hahah

I wasn't disappointed we didn't take Membrey
because I knew there must have been a reason our recruiters didn't draft him

I'd be more disappointed about players that go just before our picks & not sliding to us
definitely disappointed, if they were our preferred option

 

[fronkalicious]

Fair enough. I think he can loop it a little bit but it's not a real problem; his kicks hit the target much, much more often than not.



He won't look impressive on a highlights video; he's somebody you need to watch live to appreciate. He's a really, really hard worker who can look laconic at times but just gets the job done and is comfortable in pretty much any role on the field. He's played as a deep forward target, a high half-forward, through the middle, at full-back, at CHB and as a rebounding defender at different stages this year. Coach's pet.

I don't really think we have many 190cm defensive utilities in the first place either to be honest...Morris aside, Wood is really the only one coming to mind apart from perhaps Jong (but that's a stretch). He's not my first choice but I don't mind him.

If dalrymple thinks he's best available, I'm all for him pulling the trigger. I wouldn't know the kid from a bar of soap. Just commenting more broadly on lack of need for another 190cm, 3rd tall type and my distaste for all things melbourne grammar . Kid could be a star for all I know.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

He isn't the most penetrating kick, the ball hangs in the air a while

I've seen him completely shank it a few times
but his decision making is probably what sets him apart from other players

That almost reads like it could be a cut and paste from last years pre-draft Jack Macrae discussions.

 

[Unnamed1]

And forgive the prejudice, but melbourne grammar boys?? Gimme a battler from the burbs any day.

You're right, Tom Hawkins is soft as.........yeah nah

 

[fronkalicious]

You're right, Tom Hawkins is soft as.........yeah nah

Ha. Yeah I know man. Just a personal vendetta against Melbs grammar.

 

[Unnamed1]

Ha. Yeah I know man. Just a personal vendetta against Melbs grammar.

If you had said Xavier Ellis, however, you may have had a point

 

[fronkalicious]

If you had said Xavier Ellis, however, you may have had a point

Thought he was a Caulfield boy?