2014 Draft Prospect Thread

[loki04]

I am hoping we can manage to get the pick needed to land one of Clem Smith or Jarrod Pickett.

We already have Moore locked in for a rnd1 KPP slot,we need a little xfactor slick small fwd to clean up his spills.

 

[Knightmare]

I am hoping we can manage to get the pick needed to land one of Clem Smith or Jarrod Pickett.

We already have Moore locked in for a rnd1 KPP slot,we need a little xfactor slick small fwd to clean up his spills.

Neither are forwards and both are first rounders with Pickett a top 10, maybe top 5 guy so while they're very good players we're not in the mix for either assuming we take Moore.

 

[loki04]

Neither are forwards and both are first rounders with Pickett a top 10, maybe top 5 guy so while they're very good players we're not in the mix for either assuming we take Moore.

Oh ok, read else where they are mid/fwds and can play both well???

I did read Pickett was a 1st rounder wasn't sure on Smith but gathered around the mark, which is why i said "get the pick needed", not sure it hurts them being able to rotate on ball assuming they are capable crumbers able to impact fwd?

Need to remember both A.Didak and L.Davis were mids in u/16s/18s as long as you show the right natural ability going forward isn't an issue.

 

[TradeDraft]

Neither are forwards and both are first rounders with Pickett a top 10, maybe top 5 guy so while they're very good players we're not in the mix for either assuming we take Moore.

Unless we Attempt to Trade into the 1st Round

 

[Knightmare]

Oh ok, read else where they are mid/fwds and can play both well???

I did read Pickett was a 1st rounder wasn't sure on Smith but gathered around the mark, which is why i said "get the pick needed", not sure it hurts them being able to rotate on ball assuming they are capable crumbers able to impact fwd?

Need to remember both A.Didak and L.Davis were mids in u/16s/18s as long as you show the right natural ability going forward isn't an issue.

Both are more natural linebreakers.

Pickett particularly just plays on every time he has it making him a perfect wingman/back flanker.

Clem Smith also is more of a back flanker and can push into the midfield. He's like Pickett got pace and a real physical edge but isn't super skillful.

Neither really have the skillsets where you'd choose to play them as crumbing forwards.

Also worth considering with crumbing forwards. Other than Cyril Rioli for the most part they're available late/psd/rookie.

Eddie Betts was selected as a preseason draft pick. Jeff Garlett as a rookie. Michael Walters mid draft. Steven Motlop mid draft. Stephen Milne was picked as a rookie.

Charlie Cameron who played for Adelaide last week was just last year picked in the rookie draft.

It's a position that requires a quality talent but it's not a position that requires any more than a 3rd round pick onward to fill assuming the right talent is identified.

 

[Knightmare]

Unless we Attempt to Trade into the 1st Round

No need to trade into the early portion of the draft for outside pace.

As we showed with Seedsman recently enough those types can be had later in the draft.

 

[TradeDraft]

Both are more natural linebreakers.

Pickett particularly just plays on every time he has it making him a perfect wingman/back flanker.

Clem Smith also is more of a back flanker and can push into the midfield. He's like Pickett got pace and a real physical edge but isn't super skillful.

Neither really have the skillsets where you'd choose to play them as crumbing forwards.

Also worth considering with crumbing forwards. Other than Cyril Rioli for the most part they're available late/psd/rookie.

Eddie Betts was selected as a preseason draft pick. Jeff Garlett as a rookie. Michael Walters mid draft. Steven Motlop mid draft. Stephen Milne was picked as a rookie.

Charlie Cameron who played for Adelaide last week was just last year picked in the rookie draft.

It's a position that requires a quality talent but it's not a position that requires any more than a 3rd round pick onward to fill assuming the right talent is identified.

That is something we have Missed since Krakouer/Dick/Davis left the Club and something I think the club should look at

 

[TradeDraft]

No need to trade into the early portion of the draft for outside pace.

As we showed with Seedsman recently enough those types can be had later in the draft.

Very True but I am talking Mid to Late 1st Round then Top 10 Pick

 

[Knightmare]

Very True but I am talking Mid to Late 1st Round then Top 10 Pick

Anywhere in the first round it's rarely worth it for an outside type unless it's an Aish where they're so good they can play to a high level right away and be a major difference maker which so few other than those quality onballers early draft can do.

The quality difference with outside times when talking early and late draft is relatively speaking low.

 

[TradeDraft]

Anywhere in the first round it's rarely worth it for an outside type unless it's an Aish where they're so good they can play to a high level right away and be a major difference maker which so few other than those quality onballers early draft can do.

The quality difference with outside times when talking early and late draft is relatively speaking low.

So you are happy to get one from the 3rd Round on later?

Who do you like in that Postion then for us?

 

[Knightmare]

So you are happy to get one from the 3rd Round on later?

Who do you like in that Postion then for us?

No appropriate talent is obvious yet.

I rather liked Charlie Cameron last year as that type but I wasn't so concerned about adding a crumber and I'm still not overly concerned as a low priority need. A crumber isn't required for winning, Elliott is fine but if a Cameron equivalent presents this year then I'd be open to considering the talent if it's mid draft - rookie.

 

[loki04]

No appropriate talent is obvious yet.

I rather liked Charlie Cameron last year as that type but I wasn't so concerned about adding a crumber and I'm still not overly concerned as a low priority need. A crumber isn't required for winning, Elliott is fine but if a Cameron equivalent presents this year then I'd be open to considering the talent if it's mid draft - rookie.

See now that is just a personal opinion of yours rather then what most good premiership sides have.

All the best teams have quality silk crumbers who can bring about momentum shifts, and it is most certainly a need of ours along with KPF talent and maybe another back up ruck.

 

[TradeDraft]

See now that is just a personal opinion of yours rather then what most good premiership sides have.

All the best teams have quality silk crumbers who can bring about momentum shifts, and it is most certainly a need of ours along with KPF talent and maybe another back up ruck.

KPF would be our Highest Need and We are Lucky that Moore is a Father/Son as that what we need.

Then Crumbers and Ruckman would be the next 2 but I also think KPF Depth is Needed

 

[Knightmare]

See now that is just a personal opinion of yours rather then what most good premiership sides have.

All the best teams have quality silk crumbers who can bring about momentum shifts, and it is most certainly a need of ours along with KPF talent and maybe another back up ruck.

With the way our key forwards operate the ball rarely goes to ground. It's mark or get marked on. That's why I'm not fussed if Collingwood invest in a crumber or not.

Sydney will be an interesting case study this year with all their tall forwards. Franklin, Tippett, Reid, Goodes. No real crumber and more midfielders pushing forward with McVeigh, Kennedy and others getting minutes up forward.

 

[TradeDraft]

With the way our key forwards operate the ball rarely goes to ground. It's mark or get marks on. That's why I'm not fussed if Collingwood invest in a crumber or not.

Sydney will be an interesting case study this year with all their tall forwards. Franklin, Tippett, Reid, Goodes. No real crumber and more midfielders pushing forward with McVeigh, Kennedy and others getting minutes up forward.

So you would Rather put the Mids down there to play that Role?

 

[Knightmare]

So you would Rather put the Mids down there to play that Role?

More players are becoming multi positional so there is less of a need for specialist types as you could say with crumbers.

If you can get a really good crumber then sure, you can use them but like with players playing any role if they play their role well then that's fine. But you really want a guy who is outstanding at that role/position if they are limited to being just that.

As Hawthorn are showing versatility and ability to play many positions and many roles is valuable. It gives you not only rotation options but also matchup options so that various opposition team weaknesses can be exploited or team strengths can be countered.

 

[TradeDraft]

More players are becoming multi positional so there is less of a need for specialist types as you could say with crumbers.

If you can get a really good crumber then sure, you can use them but like with players playing any role if they play their role well then that's fine. But you really want a guy who is outstanding at that role/position if they are limited to being just that.

As Hawthorn are showing versatility and ability to play many positions and many roles is valuable. It gives you not only rotation options but also matchup options so that various opposition team weaknesses can be exploited or team strengths can be countered.

Well I reckon Sidebottom would be perfect at the Role as I think he is Most Dangourse up Forward where he can get to the Right Places and Create Goals from that

 

[sirlothie]

With the way our key forwards operate the ball rarely goes to ground. It's mark or get marked on. That's why I'm not fussed if Collingwood invest in a crumber or not.

Wouldn't agree with that at all. Cloke and Witts drop some absolute pudds, White marks at half forward and the most likely to take a grab currently is Elliott because of Cloke's current obsession with wrestling to the point nobody gets a hand on it.

The ball hits the deck in our forward line plenty of times. This season we are averaging 50 insides 50's per game but only 13 marks inside 50. So the ball is on the ground in 75% of entries...

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

A crumber would be nice, but I am inclined to think we are more desperate for a young key forward and some pacey outsider with foot skills.

Key forward would be the first priority as we have players like Seedsman and Freeman waiting to fight their way into the team, but another one would be handy.

 

[TradeDraft]

What about the 2 young Ruckman on Essendon’s VFL List in:

Angus Milham

and

Sam Tagliabue

Would they be worth looking at Knight?

 

[Seedsfan]

What about the 2 young Ruckman on Essendon’s VFL List in:

Angus Milham

and

Sam Tagliabue

Would they be worth looking at Knight?

They are not good they were destroyed by Hudson and Lynch in the VFL practice game

 

[TradeDraft]

They are not good they were destroyed by Hudson and Lynch in the VFL practice game

Well I was thinking Back-Ups. Milham would be too Skinny but read that Sagliabuage has really improved this season

 

[Knightmare]

What about the 2 young Ruckman on Essendon’s VFL List in:

Angus Milham

and

Sam Tagliabue

Would they be worth looking at Knight?

Tagliabue is showing signs and it will be interesting to see how he goes with increased ruck minutes over the rest of the season with Bellchambers back in the 1s. May be worth looking out for over the rest of the season if he can have some more strong performances and continue to build on his current form.

Milham is a tall guy at 210cm but he hasn't shown anything on the field and needs to develop through the state leagues. He played TAC as an overager last year and struggled so he's a long way off despite his intriguing height.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

C'mon Dave start listing kids with elite kicking skills

 

[TradeDraft]

C'mon Dave start listing kids with elite kicking skills

In have not seen any U-18 Champs games yet.