List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[Half Back Pocket]

Just give us a ******* compo AFL.

Pick 9 would be perfect

 

[Defacto]

Just give us a ******* compo AFL.

that would be a massive shot in the arm!!!!

personally i'd like us to suck one more year, get it next year Picks 1 and 2, then spring board from there. Maybe use Pick 2 on a ready made player (shiel, boyd, patton)

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I'm not counting out a compo especially if we don't win one match for the rest of 2014, last win was Round 5, 10 rounds ago.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I'm not counting out a compo especially if we don't win one match for the rest of 2014, last win was Round 5, 10 rounds ago.

Surely we have to suck for at least two years? Look at Melbourne and Port and they didn't get one.

 

[Periphery]

ive been thinking about this more and i'm starting to sway back to wright, if we are going to use pick 1 in the draft.

the reason being is that i think this draft is full of talls around the same mark in each round, each one fills a different need and have various degrees of concern. there isnt going to be stand out forward that looks the complete package that could play CHF.

if we just look at Wright v McCartin, each one plays a different position, has different attributes and has some decent knocks on them. i dont think either player is going to be our next fwd that we build the fwd line around or our next primary target. so i think we need to stop looking at it like this and start to look at what our needs are outside of the primary fwd, and what options are available in the future to fill the CHF/primary fwd role. we could trade in patton/boyd, we could find one in next years draft. so lets look at the rest of the roles in the fwd line and what wright and mccartin can provide us.

Were concerned about wrights ability to play forward and his agility/speed to be succesfull at AFL level. he seems more suited to a resting ruck role where he can play deep use his height and stength to take a mark. then he can go into the ruck and use his tank to cover ground. i'm starting to see him as a replacement for kozi (in his good years out of FF) and what we briefly tried to turn mcevoy into (given his ability to take a mark around the ground). i dont see hickey, longer, pierce or holmes as fwds, they can probably get by there if our midfield improves but they wont be damaging like wright IMO. wright seems to know how to play fwd unlike the others.

McCartin we are concerned about his height, weight, tank and his ability to overcome this to be succesfull at AFL level. he seems more suited to a third tall in the cameron, mayne, kennedy mold than a CHF that could replace roo. he also has the issue with diabetes which i am not sure how that will affect him at AFL level.

its clear that neither of these players are ones that we can build the fwd line around. they are not going to be our primary goal scorer in 2020.

so looking at how hard it is to fill both positions. i think clubs seem to struggle to find a good resting ruck option that can be damaging fwd. tippett is probably the best example. when you have one, you cling to them and theyre worth their weight in gold. there seems to be less options for acquiring one of these, than there is a CHF/Genuine FWD. third talls seem to be easier to find, sometimes you probably dont need them at all.

so if we look at wright vs mccartin, i'm more comfortable that we will find a better option than mccartin, than we would wright. especially if we are chasing patton/boyd at CHF. i think there are also options for that third tall next year (burton?) and even deeper in this draft.

so for that reason alone, i'd take the rare resting ruck with an usual combination of height, tank and strength than a third tall/193cm tall that will probably be available in future drafts/trade

I would think that McCartin would be seen as a FF and not a 3rd tall by the recruiters.

He kicked 2 the other day and could have easily been 3 if the wind hadn't been so crazy. He also looked dangerous with a quick snap at goal off the back of a stoppage that missed. His set shot kicking has been a point that people have said is bad but I didn't see that at all in the game against SA (small sample size but all his shots looked good).

He did look like he had a bit of extra weight on him but that is easy enough to change with a preseason or two. Considering he was in a team that was using the ball horribly I thought he did pretty well. He still has some time to grow, 193cm would be a bit of a worry but he is already closer to 194 and it will be very interesting to see what he is measured at for the combine.

Wright sounds too much like Kreuzer (instead of Tippett) for me to get horribly excited about him. After a little digging I found this on Kreuzer's combine results: 14.2 beep test, 10.51 3km, 3.06sec 20m sprint. Sounds pretty similar to what Wright is meant to be able to do. I have no real reasoning for it cause I haven't seen enough of either of them but I just can't get on the Wright bandwagon.

McCartin just seems to fit better to me (it's the vibe).

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Surely we have to suck for at least two years? Look at Melbourne and Port and they didn't get one.

Melbourne have had a heap of them.

Port would have if GC didn't enter the drafts in 2010 and 2011.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Melbourne have had a heap of them.

Port would have if GC didn't enter the drafts in 2010 and 2011.

What did we win last year, 5? If we have 8 wins from two seasons then I guess its a possibility. I would expect very unlikely though.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

What did we win last year, 5? If we have 8 wins from two seasons then I guess its a possibility. I would expect very unlikely though.

Yeah only 5.

Personally i think St Kilda and Brisbane need them.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Yeah only 5.

Personally i think St Kilda and Brisbane need them.

David King is a knob but he was right saying clubs need multiple top 10 picks in a draft to effectively re-build. PP's would allow that to happen.

 

[God Save Max King]

Brisbane don't need a PP. Dawson, Hammelmann and Clayton are 3 they can bid on in this draft, they have a top 2 pick and were basically a kick out of the 8 last year . If anything, they badly need off-field help.

TLE, Ahern is a nice size, a bit over 6', Touk Miller is a shorter player.

Half Back Pocket, Durdin was well held by Hughy when the game was there to be won, but then started to show his talent late in the game. I think he's a second tall in the AFL, he doesn't seem built to be a key forward or defender, but his elite kicking will mean he's a weapon off half back.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Melbourne HAVE had a heap of priority picks but they changed the rules and we wont be getting one.

 

[Defacto]

Melbourne HAVE had a heap of priority picks but they changed the rules and we wont be getting one.

If they do what's the bet it's an end of first rounder

 

[Defacto]

for those wanting more footage between the next state game. heres AIS vs Pies VFL

1.37.41 of that clip isnt the greatest. pretty funny header shortly after

 

[Defacto]

so i watched that match and yeh now i remember how i felt after that WA v Vic Metro game :-(

 

[hayes]

@AFLDraft: Under 18 Championships July 3 at Simonds Stadium - NT v Tas @ 11am
Vic Metro v SA @ 1.15pm

Live on FoxFooty and AFL Live App

 

[Rors]

Half Back Pocket, Durdin was well held by Hughy when the game was there to be won, but then started to show his talent late in the game. I think he's a second tall in the AFL, he doesn't seem built to be a key forward or defender, but his elite kicking will mean he's a weapon off half back.

Really.... a weapon off half back.....?

 

[God Save Max King]

Really.... a weapon off half back.....?

A HBF, isn't that exactly what we need??

 

[Periphery]

FOXTEL U18 Champs broadcast times

Division 1
VC v WA - 5.00pm Wednesday 2/7
VM v SA - 1.15pm Thursday 3/7

Division 2
QLD v NSW - 3.00pm Wednesday 2/7
NT v TAS - 11.00am Thursday 3/7

 

[tom1197]

Is McCartin tall enough at 192?

 

[God Save Max King]

Is McCartin tall enough at 192?

He's 194 at the moment, and that's the least of his worries.

 

[Periphery]

He's 194 at the moment, and that's the least of his worries.

What are his other worries?

 

[tom1197]

What are his other worries?

kicking goals i guess
His Diabetes worry's me, he gets special access in the TAC cup and that but would they allow it at AFL level

 

[tom1197]

can't get my head around why people would want a ruckman

 

[God Save Max King]

What are his other worries?

Kicking for goal (improving), endurance, his health, his weight, his defensive work and versatility.

 

[Plugger_87]

Is McCartin tall enough at 192?

Riewoldt said on the telly last night he's 193cm