List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[Stewart66]

Doubt Jaksch will stay very strong chance of psd no need for Stkilda to trade if saints finish last.
Think Clurey from Port Adelaide similar situation although Milera provides trade value for Saints.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

It hasn't, nothing is set in stone (which Brian clarified for me last night, hence me saying so in this thread last night), but what Brian was trying to say, but probably didn't word ideally, is that he believes it is a huge chance of happening, because his mail is that Cameron has told GWS that he wants out and that he has nominated us as his club of choice and that because he's been told they are already talking to us about a trade, that we would in his opinion accept, he is calling/tipping it a "done deal", because he doesn't see enough changing between now and then to stop it from happening, based on what he has been told and what he believes will happen as far as our wins for the rest of the year goes, and so-on. So what he has told us is part mail and part personal prediction/opinion, based on that mail. That's all.

The fact that JC won't be playing again this year probably helps our cause though, because he won't be able to come out next week and kick 10 and make them want to take him off the table, like how Sheil came back into their team a couple of months ago after a poor start to the season and a spell in the NEAFL and started to blitz again. So what they have told us it will take to get the deal done now might not change that much by the end of the year.

He first told me (2 or 3 weeks ago) that GWS had spoken to us about a potential trade for Cameron (for pick 1, as it looked like we would clearly finish bottom at the time), but he said at the time that we'd been told that Cameron was 50/50 about re-signing with GWS and that any trade would only be if he refused to re-sign with them, but if the latest mail is correct it sounds as though JC has now made up his mind and that he has now told GWS that he definitely wants out and as such they might not want to risk him leaving when out of contract next year and they may also prefer to not have to put another year of development into him (and to lose a year of development that they could put into a McCartin/Petracca/Wright/Brayshaw- not to mention a Boyd/McCarthy in his place in their best 22!), so they may just want to cut their losses now and move on (with Patton, Boyd, Tomlinson, Jaksch, McCarthy, McCartin, Wright, Petracca- who could play forward- or whoever).

There are apparently plenty of clubs in world sport who will trade someone 12 months before their current contract is due to expire, if they won't extend their contract, because they don't like to have anyone come out of contract and be able to put them over a barrel and for all we know that may be GWS's philosophy. They do seem to be mighty keen to get everyone they rate to extend their contracts ASAP, so for all we know they may believe in the "extend your contract now, or we'll trade you while we can get our best return and have more leverage" way of thinking.

If what Robbo supposedly said on AFL 360 recently is true (that GWS offered Cameron a $7mil contract over 6 years, or whatever he said it was) and that was GWS's best and final offer and Cameron has rejected it and told them that he definitely wants out, then I can definitely understand why they might just want to trade him now and move on, especially if he's happy to go to a club that has a really high pick, like we are likely to. We all know how much GWS love their really high picks. There is now a fair chance that it will be pick 1 again, and that could be enough to get it done. Doubt very much that we'd need to sweeten that sort of deal with an Armo, unless there was something else extra coming back the other way.

Apart from the reasons I stated above and in a similar post along these lines recently, another reason it may pay them to do so is that it might make a Tom Boyd more inclined to extend his contract with them, if he feels more confident that there will be a spot open in their forward line for him once Cameron is gone. Ditto Tomlinson, Jaksch, McCarthy, etc.

Anyway, even though nothing is set in stone yet, it is still bloody exciting news as far as I'm concerned, as it sounds like we're a huge chance to get someone who could dominate in the AFL for 10 years to our club. As I think I said last night though, lots and lots of water to go under the bridge at this stage though, before any signatures are on any dotted lines and anything can happen in the meantime. Fingers and toes crossed though!

Again, no deal has been finalised, but to answer that question, what if Cameron has made it clear that he has no interest in going to Melbourne, who for instance at this stage don't have anyone lined up to coach them past 2016?

Just like how GWS have to agree to trade him for any deal to be done while he is contracted, he also has to agree to go to the club GWS want to trade him to, so if he is saying "no" to Melbourne, then they are not an option for GWS and for all we know GWS may have been talking to him and also other clubs for a while now, in case he does want to leave and we may be the club that works for both Jeremy and GWS, and it may alternatively just be that Melbourne would not be prepared to pay him as much as is necessary, or that they are not prepared to pay GWS as much in trade terms as we are.

For one thing, all the talk on the D&T board is that Melbourne and Roos want "mids, mids and more mids", so trading picks 2 and 3 or whatever for Cameron and paying him a boatload of money just may not float their boat, as hard as it may be for us to believe. Especially if they've just paid Hogan the rumoured $500K PA that he supposedly wanted in order to re-sign, on top of Dawes rumoured $500K PA salary. Again though, it may just be that Jeremy has told GWS that he is not interested in going to Melbourne, removing them as an option for GWS.

Good post Steve!

Brian has a lot of good info which is nearly always close to the money!

Personally a straight swap Cameron for our first pick is a win/win for both clubs as far as I'm concerned. We get the Roo replacement (and let's face it - Cameron IS someone who is talented enough to take over the mantle from Roo and lead the fwd line) and GWS get Petracca (assumption) who is going to be a jet and will be a big plus for their midfield. They still have Boyd and Patton who will be immense for them and they don't waste another year development on a player who doesn't want to stay as you mentioned. GWS would not want Cameron leaving next year and GWS desperately having to arrange something.

So that is the KPF taken care of, now we need pacy elite kicking mids and a KPD.

It will be interesting to see how we end up getting additional picks, especially to address our midfield issues as let's face it - that is a huge issue for us.

If the Cameron deal falls through then I would want to get Petracca....

 

[goodie23]

We might even be cheeky enough to ask for a Western Sydney's third/fourth rounder with Cameron for our first, if they're not going to use it it bumps us up the draft order a little

 

[Defacto]

Don't believe a word of it

Why us? Why not a team playing finals or a bigger club? Why not the pies, hawthorn, Geelong, norf, Richmond, Carlton, essendon? Why wouldn't they want a player instead? Cameron would attract a very good player and pick

 

[God Save Max King]

Don't believe a word of it

Why us? Why not a team playing finals or a bigger club? Why not the pies, hawthorn, Geelong, norf, Richmond, Carlton, essendon? Why wouldn't they want a player instead? Cameron would attract a very good player and pick

Money. The Pies definitely don't have money and Moore will take up their 1st pick. The Hawks have the money, but do not have the picks and would be more interested in Shiel. The Cats won't pay that sort of money, it's part of their system. Norf - LOL Norf. Richmond will have to pay Cotchin and Riewoldt top dollar and they don't have the assets to offer to GWS, their list is in shocking shape. Will Carlton part with Murphy or Gibbs? Will Gibbs or Murphy move north? Essendon is another team that would struggle to find the assets (no real 1st) and the cap space, they have Goddard and Jobe Watson on big deals.

 

[Sir Skid]

Don't believe a word of it

Why us? Why not a team playing finals or a bigger club? Why not the pies, hawthorn, Geelong, norf, Richmond, Carlton, essendon? Why wouldn't they want a player instead? Cameron would attract a very good player and pick

Think you are right Defacto in terms of what he would cost.
I remember when we stupidly handed over pick 6 and 31 IIRC for Barry Brooks (a 2nd year ruck).
Cameron is 10 times the player BB was so will command a favourable deal regardless of who gets him.

Why us? We are in the position now surely to front end the h3ll out of his contract.
IMO we can pay well overs for him now and he will really help to draw other talent to the club.
Essendon drug scandal surely can't be attractive / Carlton heading south quickly and surely further away from a flag challenge than us.

 

[Sainttony]

The thing to do is to trade for Cameron and somehow keep our first pick. Not sure how we would do this.

 

[Ducky Tie]

The thing to do is to trade for Cameron and somehow keep our first pick. Not sure how we would do this.

The chance of us getting Cameron at all are very low. The chance of us getting him and keeping our first pick is none.

 

[Defacto]

Money. The Pies definitely don't have money and Moore will take up their 1st pick. The Hawks have the money, but do not have the picks and would be more interested in Shiel. The Cats won't pay that sort of money, it's part of their system. Norf - LOL Norf. Richmond will have to pay Cotchin and Riewoldt top dollar and they don't have the assets to offer to GWS, their list is in shocking shape. Will Carlton part with Murphy or Gibbs? Will Gibbs or Murphy move north? Essendon is another team that would struggle to find the assets (no real 1st) and the cap space, they have Goddard and Jobe Watson on big deals.

arent we in the cats basket? didnt we say were not going to offer anymore than 3 years and are looking to cut the amount of money we have offered in the past that saw our cap get screwed?

surely hawks have some players they can deal along with their picks? something we dont have!

players have shown in the past they are prepared to take pay cuts to play finals as well. also if the pies traded out for cameron they might free up some of that cap as well

 

[Stewart66]

Good post Steve!

Brian has a lot of good info which is nearly always close to the money!

Personally a straight swap Cameron for our first pick is a win/win for both clubs as far as I'm concerned. We get the Roo replacement (and let's face it - Cameron IS someone who is talented enough to take over the mantle from Roo and lead the fwd line) and GWS get Petracca (assumption) who is going to be a jet and will be a big plus for their midfield. They still have Boyd and Patton who will be immense for them and they don't waste another year development on a player who doesn't want to stay as you mentioned. GWS would not want Cameron leaving next year and GWS desperately having to arrange something.

So that is the KPF taken care of, now we need pacy elite kicking mids and a KPD.

It will be interesting to see how we end up getting additional picks, especially to address our midfield issues as let's face it - that is a huge issue for us.

If the Cameron deal falls through then I would want to get Petracca....

 

[saintsrfreak]

The thing to do is to trade for Cameron and somehow keep our first pick. Not sure how we would do this.

Now you're just getting greedy

 

[SaintsSeptember]

arent we in the cats basket? didnt we say were not going to offer anymore than 3 years and are looking to cut the amount of money we have offered in the past that saw our cap get screwed?

surely hawks have some players they can deal along with their picks? something we dont have!

Defacto, despite the negativity StKilda is not regarded as AFL poison, and its not out of the question that someone could be motivated to play there.
Your opinion that every player would prefer to play at every other club first is wrong.

 

[Defacto]

Defacto, despite the negativity StKilda is not regarded as AFL poison, and its not out of the question that someone could be motivated to play there.
Your opinion that every player would prefer to play at every other club first is wrong.

when did i say that? did you actually read what i posted?

 

[Stewart66]

The more delays going on with the contract more likely this will happen with Cameron going to Saints .
1)You can't trade a player unless he wants to go to that one.
2)The Saints have the lowest salary cap with Brisbane forget thinking they pay each player the said amount each year.
Does not work like that they can be paying for example Montagna this years salary & half of his salary next this year as long as they pay the correct level overall as a club
Plus their marketing bonus plus any other incentives so effectively having a lot available when club will chase the Sloane type end of next year.
GWS have offered Cameron a 6 year deal which has been rejected but he could change his mind.

 

[Baker_for_PM]

As much as i would like Cameron at our club next year if it was due to a combination of pick and player trades i would be very disappointed. We need to create team unity for our boys and not get rid of players when they have value. I'm a believer of the champion team over a team of champions something which we produced against freo. Plus with Lenny being our best player again last night i think we need the best mids available in the up coming draft.

 

[dewah07]

Potentially cruel reality of all of this Cameron talk.

He is using us as leverage telling GWS he wants to go to saints so GWS give him more money/years on their offer.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Potentially cruel reality of all of this Cameron talk.

He is using us as leverage telling GWS he wants to go to saints so GWS give him more money/years on their offer.

Tbh I doubt he would need to, you think GWS would hold out on him?

 

[God Save Max King]

Potentially cruel reality of all of this Cameron talk.

He is using us as leverage telling GWS he wants to go to saints so GWS give him more money/years on their offer.

More than 7 million/6 years??

 

[bird_man]

Potentially cruel reality of all of this Cameron talk.

He is using us as leverage telling GWS he wants to go to saints so GWS give him more money/years on their offer.

What makes you think this is the case?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I've heard Fraser Gehrig wants to come out of retirement and play for St Kilda again.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Potentially cruel reality of all of this Cameron talk.

He is using us as leverage telling GWS he wants to go to saints so GWS give him more money/years on their offer.

Which in the end could also be a very good thing for us. If they up their offer, this only frees up other players in the future that can never be paid what they are worth and allows the opportunity for more to leave GWS for greener fields.

 

[Defacto]

Potentially cruel reality of all of this Cameron talk.

He is using us as leverage telling GWS he wants to go to saints so GWS give him more money/years on their offer.

or even more likely, given no one in the industry had even heard of it, the rumor was completely made up

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Wow, some interesting lists here.
According so some of you we may as well cut up our memberships, burn our jumpers and accept that never again will we be a top team.
The question I would ask is why wouldn't you come to St Kilda? Once Roo retires we will need a new alpha dog, a new king pin, a new hero and superstar who will be paid accordingly to build our reputation, marketing and whole club around.
There is a chance for someone to be the new Roo, in sports mad Melbourne, by the bay, playing out if an amazing stadium in the city, away from the dump and all that goes with GWS, and you'll be paid mega bucks to do it.....where do I sign???

 

[Rors]

or even more likely, given no one in the industry had even heard of it, the rumor was completely made up

Which more likely just means that Damien Barrett hasn't read through Bigfooty yet this weekend...

 

[BrianSpeaking]

or even more likely, given no one in the industry had even heard of it, the rumor was completely made up

Well if you had posted it I would believe it was made up, nothing personal but you aren't exactly in the loop over there in beautiful Perth.