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List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

Who do you want with our first selection in the National draft?

  • Peter Wright

    Votes: 47 41.6%
  • Patrick McCartin

    Votes: 33 29.2%
  • Sam Durdin

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 19 16.8%

  • Total voters
    113

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I asked mod Armitage2Riewoldt if we could have a separate thread from our Trading/FA one to focus a heap on the draft and he approved.

So this thread is where we can keep track of all draft stuff and discuss a heap on who we want just through drafting not trading etc.

I've included the poll considering it's pretty likely we'll be taking one of those three players, who do you all want?

Stats/Match information from the Under/18 championships: http://www.afl.com.au/u18s

Knightmare write ups on some players (Hopefully he doesn't mind) -

Peter Wright (VIC - KPF/Ruck)
Height: 203cm, Weight: 102kg, DOB: 08/09/1996
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Style:
Player comparison: Joe Daniher/Charlie Dixon
Range: 1-3
Profile: Wright is a super tall, strong marking key forward who can also play some ruck. He has the ability to take the big contested mark and win his 1v1s but he’s also excellent on the lead as one of those near impossible key forwards to defend with that sheer reach and ability to take it at the highest point. He can be in and out of games but for the periods he dominates he really takes over games like few others can. Through the ruck he’s reasonably good with his tap work above average but if you take him you take him because he’s a rare quality forward with rare height. He’s a reliable set shot goalkicker and also has the ability to convert from outside 50 with his accurate 55-60m kick. The major concern with Wright is his back he’s had some bad back issues which have kept him out for a period but if that causes him no issues then he has the ability to be the best player in this draft. He’ll need to improve his core strength and build that flexibility to prevent further back issues, the earlier he can do this the better.


Patrick McCartin (VIC - KPF)
Height: 193cm, Weight: 95kg, DOB: 19/04/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Style: Alistair Lynch
Player comparison:
Range: 1-10
Profile: McCartin is an interesting case. He’s an absolute top end talent but has his health issues which complicates the analysis of his playing ability. McCartin has diabetes so he’s done exceptionally well to manage that to this point and adjust his diet and practices to allow it not to affect his football. As a result of this McCartin has been especially careful with his diet and his body and has developed a great level of professionalism towards his football. As a footballer McCartin is a strong unit for his age. He’s already shown that he can take over games both through the TAC Cup but also through the u18 champs. McCartin is an effective mark on the lead and has some pace allowing him to create seperation but his real point of difference is his ability to take 1v1 marks. He has incredible strength and can go to the goal square and take advantage of his direct opponent with his superior ability to read the drop of the ball and his superior strength and ability to take a grab. He’s also a very capable pack mark and if he doesn’t take it he’ll bring it to ground. He’s also for a key forward very clean when the ball hits the deck with his pickups and has good ability below the knees which hopefully is a continued area of growth for McCartin. The major weakness in McCartin’s game at this point is his set shot goalkicking and it’s definitely a mental thing with him. I’ve never seen a key forward who likes a goal less than McCartin. He can shank those set shots more than most and quickly loses confidence in his kick and more often than not elects to go the unselfish option and find team mates in better positions but on the positive his field kicking is good and his vision finding those inside 50 targets is as good as you’ll see from a player of his type. He’ll also often opt to play on or snap instead of drop punt with his shots on goal understanding that his conversion from set shots is below average.


Sam Durdin (SA - KPP)
Height: 197cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 06/06/1996
Recruited from: West Adelaide
Style:
Player comparison: Jake Carlisle/Lachie Henderson
Range: 1-5
Profile: Durdin is the better of the key defenders available this year. He’s got the versatility to play forward and through the ruck when required but he’s to this point played his best footy down back. He’s a good mover for a key position player with his athleticism and mobility at his height. He’s also one of the best users of the footy for a key position player you’ll find with his footskills particularly excellent. He’s also got a nice balance between ability to take the mark overhead but then the co-ordination below the knees and at ground level to compliment it and make him a real threat. Excellent reader of the play and reads the flight of the ball as well as any.


Angus Brayshaw (VIC – Mid)
Height: 187cm, Weight: 87kg, DOB: 09/01/1996
Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons
Style:
Player comparison: Oliver Wines
Range: 1-10
Profile: Low flash but high substance midfielder who will produce every week. Brayshaw is the dominant midfield in this draft. He’s a big time accumulator through the midfield and one of the best volume tacklers you’ll ever find. Brayshaw has absolutely dominated the TAC and has the proven performances on the board to suggest he can take the next step and become one of the elite midfielders in the competition. He’s got clean hands and is a sound user of the footy with both right and left sides and generally makes good decisions with ball in hand and at times shows good vision finding some good targets up the field. Strong mark overhead and can push back behind the ball to take an intercept mark or push forward to take a grab and provide scoreboard impact. He’s not an athlete, he’s a footballer and has the build of a midfielder which will allow him to play immediately with his strength over the ball but athletically he’s improving and isn’t slow or immobile and has good endurance so athletically he’s also fine.


Hugh Goddard (VIC - KPP)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 93kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Style:
Player comparison: Sam Day
Range: 1-10
Profile: Goddard is one of the star key position players this year and has the ability to play both forward and back well. He’s got exceptional pace, agility and an excellent leap as well as a strong build for his age. Has a long kick for his age. And has some ability at ground level, so there is plenty to work with. There is just that little bit of something dominant missing to his game though. As a forward Goddard in the TAC can kick three goals a game every week but it’s almost always a quiet three goals. He just doesn’t feel like he’s going to take over games and you don’t really notice his impact as more a component to winning rather than a centrepiece and a reason for winning. He lacks that point of difference that the other premier key forwards of the competition have and doesn’t have that same feel that he’ll go off as a goalkicking threat like those other real high end key forwards have which is why I rate him slightly lower than the other top key position players. I wouldn’t draft Goddard expecting him to become the no.1 option up forward but as a no.2 option he’d be an excellent get and can go on and have an exceptional career.


Tyler Keitel (WA – KPF/KPD)
Height: 194cm, Weight: 86kg, DOB: 07/02/1996
Recruited from: East Perth
Style: Jarryd Roughead/Taylor Walker
Player comparison:
Range: 5-25
Profile: Keitel is a talented key position player who can play both forward and back well but in my mind is a key forward as he has clear key forward talent. He’s got ability both overhead but moves well for someone of his type with his agility and at ground level making him a real threat up forward. He has unusually clean hands for someone his height and has a natural dexterity with unusually clean hands and a co-ordination you don’t see in many key position players with his ground level stuff. But then he can also play like a true big man, take a contested mark, take a mark on the lead or in the air and hit the scoreboard in bunches so he’s a complete and natural key forward and has that little bit of arrogance to him which as a forward you’re allowed to have when you can play like Keitel can. Call me crazy but while Keitel hasn’t played there, I see him a bit like Jarryd Roughead as someone because he has the ability at ground level and a good skillset, he’s someone I could see even pinchhitting through the midfield and providing some extra grunt on the ball at times with his skillset suggesting it could be within his capabilities.


Liam Duggan (VIC – Def/Mid)
Height: 183cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 11/12/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Style:
Player comparison: Luke McDonald
Range: 3-15
Profile: Duggan is a classy player who can play both off a back flank or through the midfield to a high standard. He’s showing this year that he can win his own ball and is also a very lively tackler through the midfield. He has some real pace but his real point of difference is his footskills. With ball in hand Duggan is all class using it well on his left foot, doing damage with his precision kicking and vision to see the best targets up the field ultimately more often than not making the right decision. He hits targets both over short and long distances so you want the ball in his hands. He also has an above average burst of speed and some linebreaking ability. Duggan has excellent ability down back to read the ball in the air and take the intercept mark. As a December birthday and with his strong continued development there is lots of improvement left.


Jarrod Pickett (WA – Utility/Mid)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 18/08/1996
Recruited from: South Fremantle
Style: Lewis Jetta
Player comparison:
Range: 3-15
Profile: Jarrod Pickett is a speedy type who can play anywhere and inject some real pace and energy into the game. He really enjoys taking on the game with ball in hand and can some offensive damage with his pace and footskills. I also really enjoy his tendency after a mark whenever the opportunity is there to work out quickly that he has the opportunity to take off then he just goes and generates some instant offense generating a meaningful drive rather forward than just going back behind the mark and moving the ball slowly forward. He’s not only damaging when he gets the ball but for an outside type he’s also an above average accumulator which is a real positive and is what suggests to me he has a future in this game when you combine that with his ability to do damage.


Corey Ellis (VIC – Mid/Def)
Height: 185cm, Weight: 76kg, DOB: 09/10/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Style: Alan Didak
Player comparison:
Range: 5-30
Profile: Ellis is a really creative midfielder who catches the eye at times with some of the things he can do. He’s a relatively light bodied midfielder at this point but he can win some of his own ball and is a lively tackler around the ball. He’s got a nice left foot kick and is a nice user of the footy but has at times tried to do a little too much by foot. In traffic Ellis is generally a very good decision maker and can execute his skills quickly under pressure. He’s also shown in the past that he can play in the back half so he gives you some options.


Jake Lever
(VIC – Def/KPD)
Height: 192cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 05/03/1996
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Style:
Player comparison: Lachie Plowman
Range: 5-20
Profile: Lever is a really natural rebounding key defender with a real hardness and aggression to him with his approach to the contest. He’s a high level intercept mark reading it so well in the air and getting to the drop of the ball consistently. He’s also very capable of winning his 1v1s holding his position well and taking marks 1v1 down back making him a real weapon down back. Lever is also an exceptional run and carry player and moves incredibly well for his height. He isn’t afraid to take on the game and push up the field and be a part of linkup chains as essentially another running defender despite his position. By foot Lever by position is excellent and a real playmaker with his ability to find targets up the field. He’s considered a hard working, high character guy so it’s highly likely that he’ll get the best out of himself. He did a knee during the preseason so we won’t see him this season.
 
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Hopefully Pelchen can work a miracle and trade us into the top 10 twice, preferably the top 20 three times like last year. It may even be worth trading like a gilbert or someone along those lines along with pick 1 (likely that we will get it) to get a few more picks. In my opinion, the draft is pretty balanced so I don't think there is a real disadvantage in going slightly lower but to get some more picks.
 
Hopefully Pelchen can work a miracle and trade us into the top 10 twice, preferably the top 20 three times like last year. It may even be worth trading like a gilbert or someone along those lines along with pick 1 (likely that we will get it) to get a few more picks. In my opinion, the draft is pretty balanced so I don't think there is a real disadvantage in going slightly lower but to get some more picks.

Welcome Cuzo.

Definitely valid points. Although we'll have to wait and see, regarding how balanced the draft is, as it still is quite early. Our of the big guns, Peter Wright and McCartin have probably performed the best so far. I don't see us parting with pick 1 however, unless we get paid overs for it. Perhaps Steven is being shopped around to see what kind of deals we might get in return.
 
Trade Rhys Stanley to Port Adelaide for an upgrade of our 2nd round pick to their first, and our 4th upgraded to their 2nd.

Trade pick 1 and a player (Armitage, Gilbert, Saunders?), and our 3rd rounder in a swap with a club that's willing to first do a deal with Brisbane/GWS. We would want to get back something along the lines of pick 2 or 3 and pick 7 or 8. Being able to select McCartin and then also grab a Pickett or Duggan for example (cos we need better foot skills and more speed) is the aim there.

That gives us, going into the draft, maybe picks 2, 10, 16 and roughly pick 32-36 when comp is done. That would be great!

Trading directly with Brisbane would be difficult as I cant see what we could give them that they'd want. Trading with GWS is difficult because nobody wants to go there!
And trading with anyone else would put us at risk of not getting the KPF we want. Ideal situation would probably be for someone to trade experienced players with GWS for pick 2, then trade that plus their own first rounder to us for pick 1. But I cant see any club thinking that Peter Wright is worth that sort of effort.

I dont think we have any need for Wright, since his key attribute is being able to ruck, and we've got 2 young rucks already. If we drafted Wright then we'd definitely be trading out Hickey/Longer sooner rather than later, and that would be rough on either of them given how long they've been with us. So I don't think we actually need pick 1, hence I'd rather we got something for it, whilst retaining a pick high enough to get us the KPF we do need.

However people need to realise that unpopular decisions were made at Hawthorn in the early/mid decade and its likely that will happen again, so I can definitely see us having an extra draft pick.

PS. Not sure on reason for having a draft thread, because to me its intrinsically linked to the trading thread since the club has dedicated its approach as being to get more picks than we already have. So we kind of need to talk about them together.
 
Wright sounds like the man if they can manage his back. Then Goddard, then daylight.

Depending on what picks we get, I wouldn't think that a defender or mid would be a priority.

But as it stands, we can develop 2nd and 3rd fwds from within for now and trade in another later if needed. But yeah, go Wright. If we want to draft a KPF, we need him in sooner rather than later to allow development time.
 
Bad idea with this thread? just thought we could have one with just genuine draft stuff.

Mods can delete if they wish.
 
It's a bit hard, because the trading and drafting are so intertwined haha
Fair enough but the point was on current selections not including trading because really we have no idea what trades we might or might not do, where we know pretty much exactly what picks we will have in the draft.
 
Reckon the thread is of good value. Makes it far easier to keep track of draft prospects, which can be difficult to do in the mammoth other thread. Does getting insane of posts records really matter?
 

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I mean really getting other picks is all hope and what people want, what's to say it confirmed and will happen for sure? where as this thread i thought was decent on the picks we will actually really have.

So basically any of these + more.
Pick 1, 21, 38, 56
Pick 2, 22, 39, 57
Pick 3, 23, 40, 58
 
i like the idea of using pick 38/39/40 on johansen

maybe one of goddard/lamb might slide. if not a langdon.

i hope we find another pick in the first round or 2nd round
Do you think he'll be around in the 3rd round?
 
KM has Johanen at 33
Didn't see Langdon in his 3 round draft.
Tom Lamb at 18 if he does have troubles like some say could slide to our second pick.

Clem Smith at 24. (Some keen on him)
Paul Ahern at 32. (Some keen on him)
 
I don't understand trading Rhys and our 2nd for ports first. It will be like a 5 pick upgrade? Is that really worth it. I would put Rhys and our 3rd for there 2nd first.

The more I hear about Wright the more I like. To those that have seen him, could you compare him to Tippett?
 
Bad idea with this thread? just thought we could have one with just genuine draft stuff.

Mods can delete if they wish.

It's a bit hard, because the trading and drafting are so intertwined haha

Towards the draft last year we opened up a second thread purely for discussion on draft prospects. It's not about trading 'Player X for Pick Y' it's about a certain player and whether he would be a worthy selection for us. Or just discussion of that player in general.

Undoubtedly it's easy for this thread to end up a little off topic, if it does tend towards trading and free agency rather than draft discussion we'll just move a couple posts over.

I'll amend the title of the thread, might make it a touch clearer.
 

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Not keen on Wright, yes he's talented but a youngster his height with back issues worries me too much to use the #1 pick. McCartin's goalkicking also sounds like a worry. I like the sound of Durdin, right height for a modern KPP, potential swingman in the Reid mould.

But then I haven't seen 'em and am basing this off the assessment of others
 
Might I suggest including this link in the OP somewhere : http://www.afl.com.au/u18s

It has all the info for the U18 champ games this year including stats/results of the games and the Twitter feed is useful for finding out the teams each week.
 
So this thread is this years Boyd V Kelly V Billings v Other thread?
You could possibly say that Cooksen.

But just normal draft talk also, as A2R stated draft talk in the other thread does go a bit missing through all the potential trades etc discussion.

Might I suggest including this link in the OP somewhere : http://www.afl.com.au/u18s

It has all the info for the U18 champ games this year including stats/results of the games and the Twitter feed is useful for finding out the teams each week.
Will add now. :thumbsu:
 
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