List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[Kilroy]

im no draft expert but i definetly think a tyson style trade down could be the best result as it seems that there is no clear cut no. 1 as there has been in previous years, who else likes devon smith??

Devon Smith is a jet. Nearly tore us apart early in the year.
Stylish cameo Benny.
Welcome aboard.

 

[Ian Dunross]

I've only seen Hogan in a NAB cup game last year but he showed quality that I've yet to see from Wright or McCartin. Patton looks like a Tom Hawkins mark ii and by all reports Boyd could be better than both of them.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Melbourne overpaid

Only 1 way Stan...

Jack Steven & 21 -> Melbourne : Pick 4, 5 & 43 to St Kilda
Pick 4 & 43 to GCS - > Pick 10, Pick 19 to St Kilda

Pick 1, Pick 5, Pick 10, Pick 19, Pick 40

This would be brilliant for the Saints IMO. I imagine Melbourne would want more than Steven and 21.

 

[Punter!]

This would be brilliant for the Saints IMO. I imagine Melbourne would want more than Steven and 21.

Why does everyone want to trade our best player/reigning B&F winner (who is still very young) for some unproven draft picks? Why the obsession with the draft?

 

[Defacto]

does anyone have wright, durdin and mccartin stats from last year, if they played as bottom aged players?

 

[Persevering Saint]

He did look out of condition, his movement was slow, won't comment on him looking disinterested, considering that Country had 4 Inside 50s in the 1st quarter and the game was lost.

Well, he should feel right at home in our forward line.

 

[cooperrules]

Why does steven keep coming up in trade discussion. Yeah lets give up our only gun draft pick barring last year in the last 8 years. I know this is an free opinion site but heck cant we find another scapegoat.

 

[tom1197]

Why does steven keep coming up in trade discussion. Yeah lets give up our only gun draft pick barring last year in the last 8 years. I know this is an free opinion site but heck cant we find another scapegoat.

because Steven is our only player worth a first rounder and people like to see what can be done

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Quick question...where does Jack Steven rate amongst the AFLs best players? Top 50? Top 25?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Quick question...where does Jack Steven rate amongst the AFLs best players? Top 50? Top 25?

Top 30 mid, top 50 player IMO.

 

[Defacto]

ive been thinking about this more and i'm starting to sway back to wright, if we are going to use pick 1 in the draft.

the reason being is that i think this draft is full of talls around the same mark in each round, each one fills a different need and have various degrees of concern. there isnt going to be stand out forward that looks the complete package that could play CHF.

if we just look at Wright v McCartin, each one plays a different position, has different attributes and has some decent knocks on them. i dont think either player is going to be our next fwd that we build the fwd line around or our next primary target. so i think we need to stop looking at it like this and start to look at what our needs are outside of the primary fwd, and what options are available in the future to fill the CHF/primary fwd role. we could trade in patton/boyd, we could find one in next years draft. so lets look at the rest of the roles in the fwd line and what wright and mccartin can provide us.

Were concerned about wrights ability to play forward and his agility/speed to be succesfull at AFL level. he seems more suited to a resting ruck role where he can play deep use his height and stength to take a mark. then he can go into the ruck and use his tank to cover ground. i'm starting to see him as a replacement for kozi (in his good years out of FF) and what we briefly tried to turn mcevoy into (given his ability to take a mark around the ground). i dont see hickey, longer, pierce or holmes as fwds, they can probably get by there if our midfield improves but they wont be damaging like wright IMO. wright seems to know how to play fwd unlike the others.

McCartin we are concerned about his height, weight, tank and his ability to overcome this to be succesfull at AFL level. he seems more suited to a third tall in the cameron, mayne, kennedy mold than a CHF that could replace roo. he also has the issue with diabetes which i am not sure how that will affect him at AFL level.

its clear that neither of these players are ones that we can build the fwd line around. they are not going to be our primary goal scorer in 2020.

so looking at how hard it is to fill both positions. i think clubs seem to struggle to find a good resting ruck option that can be damaging fwd. tippett is probably the best example. when you have one, you cling to them and theyre worth their weight in gold. there seems to be less options for acquiring one of these, than there is a CHF/Genuine FWD. third talls seem to be easier to find, sometimes you probably dont need them at all.

so if we look at wright vs mccartin, i'm more comfortable that we will find a better option than mccartin, than we would wright. especially if we are chasing patton/boyd at CHF. i think there are also options for that third tall next year (burton?) and even deeper in this draft.

so for that reason alone, i'd take the rare resting ruck with an usual combination of height, tank and strength than a third tall/193cm tall that will probably be available in future drafts/trade

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Just because he is being played in the ruck for Vic doesn't mean he can't play forward in AFL.

He is an athletic lead up forward with a beautiful kick and will be an excellent forward in our system.

Give me him over anyone in this draft.

 

[Defacto]

Just because he is being played in the ruck for Vic doesn't mean he can't play forward in AFL.

He is an athletic lead up forward with a beautiful kick and will be an excellent forward in our system.

Give me him over anyone in this draft.

the combine stats you posted on him were impressive. do you know what McCartins stats are?

 

[Defacto]

the other thing to consider is that atleast wright has a second string to his bow. mccartin its fwd or bust.

i know you said he is a genuine FWD BS, but just to explore plan b, if it doesnt come good. if wright doesnt turn out to be a fwd but seems to go ok in the ruck we could probably get something for his ruck ability later on, maybe a club thinks they can get the fwd side out of him. given what has happened recently we could probably get a 2nd rounder back in return.

cant see that happening with McCartin if he doesnt get his fwd game going

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Just throwing it up as an Idea, not advocating , please don't kill me... but...

Dunstan for a second early pick?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Just throwing it up as an Idea, not advocating , please don't kill me... but...

Dunstan for a second early pick?

Not for a pick. Better the devil you know....But I would for Ollie Wines,

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not for a pick. Better the devil you know....But I would for Ollie Wines,

I was thinking along the lines of not being able to decide which talls we wanted from the draft.
If we are so good at drafting can't it be correct that draft pick 3 , 2014 is worth more than draft pick 18 2013?

 

[Defacto]

I was thinking along the lines of not being able to decide which talls we wanted from the draft.
If we are so good at drafting can't it be correct that draft pick 3 , 2014 is worth more than draft pick 18 2013?

good thinking outside the box, but i think pick 18 in this draft will be more speculative than dunstan. i dont think we can afford to let our best upcoming in and under mid go for something so speculative. by pick 18 all of wright, mccartin, goddard, level, keitel will be gone IMO lamb probably gone too

EDIT: just noticed you meant early 1st rounder. yeh still not sure

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Rahul ...Durdin played well?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Just throwing it up as an Idea, not advocating , please don't kill me... but...

Dunstan for a second early pick?

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Petracca looked all class...uses the ball so well when in space. Would love one of Petracca, Brayshaw, Ahern

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I was thinking along the lines of not being able to decide which talls we wanted from the draft.
If we are so good at drafting can't it be correct that draft pick 3 , 2014 is worth more than draft pick 18 2013?

Don't take offence...I can't work out whether you are taking the urine or not?

Dunstan wouldn't get us pick 3 in the draft and anyway he's certainly part of our future. The club was rapt to get him.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Am I getting trolled?!

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Just give us a ****ing compo AFL.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Petracca looked all class...uses the ball so well when in space. Would love one of Petracca, Brayshaw, Ahern

I like Petracca. I think he will be the best player from the draft! Ahern I reckon will slide due to his lack of height. Imagine we picked him with our third rounder? I would be rapt!