List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Watch Thread

[Matchu]

You want him but have no idea where he plays?

Medium Defender with no fear, hard as nails

Brave or stupid? You decide.

 

[TheSunGod]

Brave or stupid? You decide.

I say poor awareness and footskills.

 

[TheSunGod]

Have noticed a few other boards whose clubs are before us at pick #8 are keen on Laverde as well. Hope the clubs themselves don't think the same way and he lasts to our pick.

 

[Ben Drever]

Have noticed a few other boards whose clubs are before us at pick #8 are keen on Laverde as well. Hope the clubs themselves don't think the same way and he lasts to our pick.

Ohh
Like who.. I thought st kilda brisbane the doggies etc would be after key position players

 

[TheSunGod]

Ohh
Like who.. I thought st kilda brisbane the doggies etc would be after key position players

Yeah a few on the Brisbane, Doggies and Carlton boards. I thought they'd all be after KPPs too. If I were them I'd be going tall with their first pick. Still a chance the dogs could end up with two picks before us if Griffen goes and #5 ends up at the Pies.

 

[Ben Drever]

Yeah a few on the Brisbane, Doggies and Carlton boards. I thought they'd all be after KPPs too. If I were them I'd be going tall with their first pick. Still a chance the dogs could end up with two picks before us if Griffen goes and #5 ends up at the Pies.

Bit worried bout the pies..
I hated collingwood!!

 

[Sunny_]

I asked BF draft guru Knightmare what our options were in the rookie draft. These were the answers:

Josh Glenn is probably the most interesting of the mature agers and has some versatility. Very well performed in the SANFL.

If looking mature age watch out for Matthew Panos as a big bodied midfielder (eg Dog) - can also play key forward/key defence. Excellent skillset. Not a midfielder's engine or that most elite accumulation but he is the classic big body.

Sam Baulderstone as a mature ruck as a guy those years older while not immediate could be a consideration.

Brett Eddy is the best key forward outside the AFL and while GC don't need him he would be another of the more appealing mature agers this year.

Chris Cain as a VFL mature ager has long been the best in the VFL and should be a consideration as a versatile, well rounded player.

Michael Hartley (ex Collingwood) as a key defender could be a consideration as probably the best key defender outside the AFL.

Mitch McGovern (brother of Jeremy) could be another consideration.

Shane Yarran is a talented forward who could be a consideration.

Blaine Boekhorst in the WAFL as a mid could be a further consideration.

Haiden Schloithe (ex Fremantle) as a mid/fwd can play and may be a further consideration.

There are a few others, no real standouts but as rookies. If GC don't rate the depth late and can't find other ways to bring in experience then sure.

 

[Experimental]

Brave or stupid? You decide.

Jeez, when was that? I've done that myself and it still makes me shiver.

I love Tape

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

If I had to guess who would be picked until us I would go;

1 (STK) - Christian Petracca
2 (MEL) - Angus Brayshaw
3 (MEL) - Jake Lever
4 (GWS) - Patrick McCartin
5 (BRIS) - Sam Durdin
6 (WB) - Peter Weight
7 (CARL) - Jarrod Pickett

Real line ball as to who Carlton may select if those big keys are taken. No expert just summising my viewing and reading.

 

[Ben Drever]

If I had to guess who would be picked until us I would go;

1 (STK) - Christian Petracca
2 (MEL) - Angus Brayshaw
3 (MEL) - Jake Lever
4 (GWS) - Patrick McCartin
5 (BRIS) - Sam Durdin
6 (WB) - Peter Weight
7 (CARL) - Jarrod Pickett

Real line ball as to who Carlton may select if those big keys are taken. No expert just summising my viewing and reading.

Gws wouldn't take another 200cm full forward would they..
With boyd, patton, cameron and McCarthy :/

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

Gws wouldn't take another 200cm full forward would they..
With boyd, patton, cameron and McCarthy :/

That pick will probably end up being the Doggies hence my selection. Should have asterisked it. I still wouldn't put it past the flogs. They will likely just select best available and keep their on trading regime going.

 

[Ben Drever]

That pick will probably end up being the Doggies hence my selection. Should have asterisked it. I still wouldn't put it past the flogs. They will likely just select best available and keep their on trading regime going.

Brisbane will trade 5 to the pies most likey too.

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

Brisbane will trade 5 to the pies most likey too.

Yep

 

[Experimental]

All the blokes on the Brisbane board are saying they're not going to make it into the 8 until they get a good young forward to replace Brown. Why wouldn't they keep the 5 and draft a young forward? Their mid-field is pretty strong already. **** Beams.

 

[Matchu]

Jeez, when was that? I've done that myself and it still makes me shiver.

I love Tape

2012 in a game against Adelaide. Went back with the flight and copped a knee to the mouth. He ended up having a root canal.

And this boys and girl is why we always wear mouth guards while playing footy.

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

ATT DOM ABROGIO AND SCOTT CLAYON: GIVE ME THIS MAN

He would be freaking awesome in the BP or as a defensive forward like Puopolo. Gimme.

36. Clem Smith (WA - Util)Height:177cm, Weight: 74kg, DOB: 03/02/1996
Recruited from: Perth
Draft range: 10-35
Best position/role: Forward pocket as a tackling specialist.
Strengths: Does all the hard stuff – Smith is not a big guy and not tall either but he has a rare presence to him with the way he hits guys, bumps, tackles and hits the contests harder than anyone else on the field. Acceleration – Smith has excellent linebreaking ability and enjoys taking on the game and proving meaningful run and carry which he does frequently in game.
Chasedown tackling - In addition to using his pace to take on the game Smith also uses his pace very well to chase down and the opposition player with ball in hand and is someone who will find that extra gear to go even harder after the man whenever there is a chance to tackle them, just enjoying that side of the game to that extent.
Versatility – Smith has the ability to play in the back half as a linebreaker, in the front half and occasionally push into the midfield.
Bodywork in the contest – Smith uses his body well in the contest and has the ability to work into front position and protect the drop zone, reading the flight of the ball well.
Goalsense – Not that Smith has played forward much but in the small glimpse I have seen of him forward he has shown good goal sense and the quick ability to get the ball onto his boot.
Proven performer – Smith both in 2013 and 2014 has been among WA’s best performed players, really putting his stamp on games and finding strong numbers. He has also this year in WA played 10 games at League level and on game at reserves level, and in all games had 10 or more disposals which suggests to me that he will have no difficulty playing against bigger bodies at AFL level.
Weaknesses:Footskills – Smith’s work by foot is a work in progress and at this point badly lacks consistency, often either over or underkicking the ball, also shanking it too frequently. He also lacks composure and when under pressure will look to just get it onto his boot quickly and blast away to no one in particular.
Tackling – Hard and aggressive as he is with his tackling just burying guys in his tackles, he consistently goes in too high with his tackles and at too great a speed, hitting the man at full pace, without slowing up for that one step to bend the knees and get down low for the tackle. The result of this is he led all comers through the U18 Championships in free kicks against, with too many free kicks against given directly as a result of his poor method of technique.
Lack of discipline – There is a difference between intent to win the ball and intent to injure guys and Smith is current on the intent to injure guy’s side of the spectrum. He has some real fight and aggression to him which is terrific but channelling that aggression and hard edge I expect will remain a challenge.
Endurance – Smith badly lacks endurance at this point, testing poorly for endurance at the draft combine. He visibly has high skinfolds and I imagine it would be a combination of poor diet and laziness contributing to this. What I expect will improve:I expect Smith while he can improve to overall remain much the same player he is today as a smaller type who has a feel where he will always be rough around the edges. I imagine he will continue into the future to frustrate with his footskills, lack of discipline, lack of endurance and his high tackling so he is someone you take based on whether you are happy with who he is today.
Who he can become?Clem Smith has long had Byron Pickett written all over him as that undisciplined but talented sub 180cm indigenous footballer. When will he be ready to play?Smith is season one ready to play if looking for an injection of hardness and physical play given what he has already achieved through the U18 Championships and at WAFL League level.
How to best utilise him?Smith’s best chance of making the grade and becoming a long term player I feel will be in the front half in a forward pocket as a small pressure forward who while he has mostly played up the field feels uniquely suited to this role as someone key forwards who I imagine love to play alongside.
Interpretation of his numbers:Smith is an exceptionally well performed footballer accumulating excellent numbers through the U18 Championships for the past two seasons and also showing that he is capable of playing against more seasoned bodies at WAFL League level, finding 10+ disposals in each of his 10 games and averaging over 15 disposals per game. His free kicks against numbers both through the U18 Championships and at WAFL League level are concerning and far too high with his free kick against numbers the highest of all participants through the U18 Championships. His disposal efficiency is also low and will need to improve.

 

[Ben Drever]

More clangers!!

 

[SUNS]

ATT DOM ABROGIO AND SCOTT CLAYON: GIVE ME THIS MAN

He would be freaking awesome in the BP or as a defensive forward like Puopolo. Gimme.

36. Clem Smith (WA - Util)Height:177cm, Weight: 74kg, DOB: 03/02/1996
Recruited from: Perth
Draft range: 10-35
Best position/role: Forward pocket as a tackling specialist.
Strengths: Does all the hard stuff – Smith is not a big guy and not tall either but he has a rare presence to him with the way he hits guys, bumps, tackles and hits the contests harder than anyone else on the field. Acceleration – Smith has excellent linebreaking ability and enjoys taking on the game and proving meaningful run and carry which he does frequently in game.
Chasedown tackling - In addition to using his pace to take on the game Smith also uses his pace very well to chase down and the opposition player with ball in hand and is someone who will find that extra gear to go even harder after the man whenever there is a chance to tackle them, just enjoying that side of the game to that extent.
Versatility – Smith has the ability to play in the back half as a linebreaker, in the front half and occasionally push into the midfield.
Bodywork in the contest – Smith uses his body well in the contest and has the ability to work into front position and protect the drop zone, reading the flight of the ball well.
Goalsense – Not that Smith has played forward much but in the small glimpse I have seen of him forward he has shown good goal sense and the quick ability to get the ball onto his boot.
Proven performer – Smith both in 2013 and 2014 has been among WA’s best performed players, really putting his stamp on games and finding strong numbers. He has also this year in WA played 10 games at League level and on game at reserves level, and in all games had 10 or more disposals which suggests to me that he will have no difficulty playing against bigger bodies at AFL level.
Weaknesses:Footskills – Smith’s work by foot is a work in progress and at this point badly lacks consistency, often either over or underkicking the ball, also shanking it too frequently. He also lacks composure and when under pressure will look to just get it onto his boot quickly and blast away to no one in particular.
Tackling – Hard and aggressive as he is with his tackling just burying guys in his tackles, he consistently goes in too high with his tackles and at too great a speed, hitting the man at full pace, without slowing up for that one step to bend the knees and get down low for the tackle. The result of this is he led all comers through the U18 Championships in free kicks against, with too many free kicks against given directly as a result of his poor method of technique.
Lack of discipline – There is a difference between intent to win the ball and intent to injure guys and Smith is current on the intent to injure guy’s side of the spectrum. He has some real fight and aggression to him which is terrific but channelling that aggression and hard edge I expect will remain a challenge.
Endurance – Smith badly lacks endurance at this point, testing poorly for endurance at the draft combine. He visibly has high skinfolds and I imagine it would be a combination of poor diet and laziness contributing to this. What I expect will improve:I expect Smith while he can improve to overall remain much the same player he is today as a smaller type who has a feel where he will always be rough around the edges. I imagine he will continue into the future to frustrate with his footskills, lack of discipline, lack of endurance and his high tackling so he is someone you take based on whether you are happy with who he is today.
Who he can become?Clem Smith has long had Byron Pickett written all over him as that undisciplined but talented sub 180cm indigenous footballer. When will he be ready to play?Smith is season one ready to play if looking for an injection of hardness and physical play given what he has already achieved through the U18 Championships and at WAFL League level.
How to best utilise him?Smith’s best chance of making the grade and becoming a long term player I feel will be in the front half in a forward pocket as a small pressure forward who while he has mostly played up the field feels uniquely suited to this role as someone key forwards who I imagine love to play alongside.
Interpretation of his numbers:Smith is an exceptionally well performed footballer accumulating excellent numbers through the U18 Championships for the past two seasons and also showing that he is capable of playing against more seasoned bodies at WAFL League level, finding 10+ disposals in each of his 10 games and averaging over 15 disposals per game. His free kicks against numbers both through the U18 Championships and at WAFL League level are concerning and far too high with his free kick against numbers the highest of all participants through the U18 Championships. His disposal efficiency is also low and will need to improve.

Just from the read sounds a lot like Alwyn/Aaron Davey

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

Just from the read sounds a lot like Alwyn/Aaron Davey

Don't even.

 

[TheJaegerBomb]

No one likes Clem as much as me. I just think he will become a vital role player for some team. You can't teach that aggression.

 

[Ben Drever]

Can we let him go to hawthorn.. Work on his kicking for 2 years then trade him upto the suns

 

[TheSunGod]

No one likes Clem as much as me. I just think he will become a vital role player for some team. You can't teach that aggression.

Hi Clem's mum

 

[Ben Drever]

Supposably pies and lions have agreed to the Beams deal..
So pies will have pick 5...
Have no idea what type of player they'll be after.. I'm thinking a mid to replace beams.. + swan is almost finished..
Laverde or maybe even weller?
Or maybe a tall in Durdin
Makes it abit harder to guess our pick.

 

[Experimental]

Supposably pies and lions have agreed to the Beams deal..

I'm hopeful that this is the case. Can't wait to have a competitive rivalry with the Lions. Pies have already taken Darcy Moore with their 8th pick through F/S, and will likely get Jack Crisp from the Lions based on what the media is speculating. Not familiar with either of them or their positions, but the Pies are looking decent for young recruits.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I'm hopeful that this is the case. Can't wait to have a competitive rivalry with the Lions. Pies have already taken Darcy Moore with their 8th pick through F/S, and will likely get Jack Crisp from the Lions based on what the media is speculating. Not familiar with either of them or their positions, but the Pies are looking decent for young recruits.

I agree that a strong Lions is great for the rivalry, I just hope we show up the next time we play them. I was at the Gabba game this year and couldn't of been more disgusted with our effort (or lack of). No doubt Bluey told a few home truths that eventually cost him his job. Maybe a few players should of been moved on as well