List Mgmt. 2014 Draft

[Fred Ziffel]

Yeah the injury excuses wear thin when you see what Hawthorn had to contend with all year (they lost Franklin to their number one opponent FFS, as well as a heap of injuries, and a crook coach).

People want to explain the club's poorer year as being due to factors outside of its control, when in actual fact it was well within the club's control.

Too simplistic mate.
Our Port semi final was without Mcpharlin, Johnson, Ballantyne, and featured Barlow with a busted hand and as it transpired, Danyle Pearce with a broken thumb and Zac Clarke with a punctured lung. We even named Silvagni to come in which didn't happen due to injury.

That is a massive loss that Hawthorn did not have to contend with last year. Nope, we were ****ed through injury. You're selling us short.

 

[george2]

Wow all this talk about the draft has disappeared

 

[Unique Name]

As they roll in, the essential key position players roll out. People keep citing injuries affecting 2014, but how much usefulness does anyone expect from Pavlich, McPharlin and Sandilands? And increasingly Johnson, who has struggled with injury at the back end of the past two seasons.

Weller & Blakely in for De Boer & Suban does not make up for the gulf of quality of Taberner, Apeness and Silvagni in for Pav, McPharlin and Johnson. No amount of pretending otherwise changes this.

And if we recruited Lever in this draft how would that help? No 18 year old kid is going to replace a club veteran. The time to draft for the replacemant KPP's was the last two drafts. We did this and now we are committed to backing them in.

When they are required to take the reigns in 1-2 seasons they will be 20-21 years old and will have hopefully play 20-30 games and shown some promising signs.

You can't replace a club champion with another club champion, it doesn't work like that. Hopefully what we lose from switching to Tabs/Ape instead of Pav, Clarke instead of Sandi, Pearce/Smith instead of Macca we gain from our other players improving further.

I think we have plenty of upside to cover the lose of the big 3. But I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

I'm tipping Keitel in the Rookie draft tomorrow.

 

[Docker82]

I'm tipping Keitel in the Rookie draft tomorrow.

Him or Watson imo. We've also been linked to Ethan Hughes I think I was but that was from the worst.

 

[clogged]

Too simplistic mate.
Our Port semi final was without Mcpharlin, Johnson, Ballantyne, and featured Barlow with a busted hand and as it transpired, Danyle Pearce with a broken thumb and Zac Clarke with a punctured lung. We even named Silvagni to come in which didn't happen due to injury.

That is a massive loss that Hawthorn did not have to contend with last year. Nope, we were stuffed through injury. You're selling us short.

Except that I'm not. These things equally could have applied to Geelong in 2013. If the club was unlucky this year then they were very lucky last year coming up against two injury afflicted sides in the run to the GF.

Reality is neither is the case.

That list of players who played injured applies to every club in finals. It's nonsense. Zac Clarke and Danyle Pearce have a long record of being shithouse in finals.

 

[Taylor]

I don't think we can afford to have AFL quality players as depth, paying to keep our best team in the state and all.

 

[Righteo]

It seems Vandueleur doesnt come into consideration when talking about backs, is there any info on this kid from the regular
training reports?
I think we have several options down back, and even Pav could play CHB, I remember Carey doing this in several games.
Mayne looks good down there, and even Tabs could pinch hit if required. Hurley appears best suited for the Johnno role,
with the rookie draft to come.

I think Vanders has been typecast as a third tall which in "a potentially catastrophic KPP drought" as I've seen it coined isn't considered in a very glamorous light. Being a bit harsh he just seems like another Bucovaz/Houghton to me. Good highlights video but (at this stage) a non-entity at WAFL level and prime delistment fodder for next season.

 

[clogged]

And if we recruited Lever in this draft how would that help? No 18 year old kid is going to replace a club veteran. The time to draft for the replacemant KPP's was the last two drafts. We did this and now we are committed to backing them in.

When they are required to take the reigns in 1-2 seasons they will be 20-21 years old and will have hopefully play 20-30 games and shown some promising signs.

You can't replace a club champion with another club champion, it doesn't work like that. Hopefully what we lose from switching to Tabs/Ape instead of Pav, Clarke instead of Sandi, Pearce/Smith instead of Macca we gain from our other players improving further.

I think we have plenty of upside to cover the lose of the big 3. But I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

Of course you can't, and that's the reality that has to be faced. The short term will be a relatively lean period, because the composition of the list and best 22 will not be better than that in 2012-2014. Weller & Blakely aren't going to be part of a premiership in the next two to three years.

Apeness and Taberner will be adequate replacements for Pavlich/McPharlin in 3-4 years time (that's IF they make it), not sooner.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Of course you can't, and that's the reality that has to be faced. The short term will be a relatively lean period, because the composition of the list and best 22 will not be better than that in 2012-2014. Weller & Blakely aren't going to be part of a premiership in the next two to three years.

Apeness and Taberner will be adequate replacements for Pavlich/McPharlin in 3-4 years time (that's IF they make it), not sooner.

Then again, it is quite possible you are wrong.
Season 2015 will tell us a lot. App and Tabs really must play games this year.

 

[Silent Alarm]

I don't think we can afford to have AFL quality players as depth, paying to keep our best team in the state and all.

So we should concede that our second stringers are rubbish? Or purposefully target wash-ups and has-beens and never-wills? I mean we tried that last year with Gumbleton, Sylvia, and maybe we should grab Robbie Nahas this season if we want to keep it going!

The issue with flight risks is that it'll happen if someone's from interstate or entertaining million dollar deals. So far most guys have stuck fat because the team's been winning most games. I still think concentrating on home-state drafting is the smartest thing to do (ala the Crows and Eagles) but I don't get this post. I just don't.

 

[gillo94]

Question Dockers fans

2014 was a strange draft and players went all over the place in terms of unexpected destination

In lead up Freo were interested in Boekhorst who has run and place but took chance on Lachie Weller who feel will lack conditioning as division2 player. Do you think experience and hard running should of taken priority over Weller?

 

[Taylor]

So we should concede that our second stringers are rubbish? Or purposefully target wash-ups and has-beens and never-wills? I mean we tried that last year with Gumbleton, Sylvia, and maybe we should grab Robbie Nahas this season if we want to keep it going!

The issue with flight risks is that it'll happen if someone's from interstate or entertaining million dollar deals. So far most guys have stuck fat because the team's been winning most games. I still think concentrating on home-state drafting is the smartest thing to do (ala the Crows and Eagles) but I don't get this post. I just don't.

What point do you think I'm making?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Question Dockers fans

2014 was a strange draft and players went all over the place in terms of unexpected destination

In lead up Freo were interested in Boekhorst who has run and place but took chance on Lachie Weller who feel will lack conditioning as division2 player. Do you think experience and hard running should of taken priority over Weller?

No, Our recruiters rated him entirely on talent and he is likely to only get a game or two in 2015.
The point was specifically made we have a strong midfield which will be tough to break into.

 

[Eski3]

Question Dockers fans

2014 was a strange draft and players went all over the place in terms of unexpected destination

In lead up Freo were interested in Boekhorst who has run and place but took chance on Lachie Weller who feel will lack conditioning as division2 player. Do you think experience and hard running should of taken priority over Weller?

Mate it's pretty safe to say that if Freo was weighing up taking someone else instead of Weller, it definitely wasn't Blaine ****ing Boekhorst

 

[Purple Suit]

Question Dockers fans

2014 was a strange draft and players went all over the place in terms of unexpected destination

In lead up Freo were interested in Boekhorst who has run and place but took chance on Lachie Weller who feel will lack conditioning as division2 player. Do you think experience and hard running should of taken priority over Weller?

No and no we aren't interested in to swapping them.

 

[Taylor]

I thought Carlton would have taken Blakely, their team is bursting at the seams with talented outside players already.

 

[E Shed]

As they roll in, the essential key position players roll out. People keep citing injuries affecting 2014, but how much usefulness does anyone expect from Pavlich, McPharlin and Sandilands? And increasingly Johnson, who has struggled with injury at the back end of the past two seasons.

Weller & Blakely in for De Boer & Suban does not make up for the gulf of quality of Taberner, Apeness and Silvagni in for Pav, McPharlin and Johnson. No amount of pretending otherwise changes this.

Yes and if there was a player available at the draft that the recruiters thought was as good as McPharlin or Pavlich they would have taken them.
There wasn't so they didn't, they took mids who look better prospects than our current second tier.
Its not complicated.

 

[Righteo]

I thought Carlton would have taken Blakely, their team is bursting at the seams with talented outside players already.

Tbh I'm wondering that about a few cubs, there must be something seriously wrong with this bloke. 189 and growing, good endurance and speed, comfortable off either side and Fyfe like on the inside. Seems like he could have gone much higher? West Coast in particular should have picked him to attempt to dislodge Priddis in a couple years time but maybe Duggan will be the man for them.

 

[Taylor]

Tbh I'm wondering that about a few cubs, there must be something seriously wrong with this bloke. 189 and growing, good endurance and speed, comfortable off either side and Fyfe like on the inside. Seems like he could have gone much higher? West Coast in particular should have picked him to attempt to dislodge Priddis in a couple years time but maybe Duggan will be the man for them.

If I'm the West Coast list manager I'm hoping that one of Yeo, Sheed or Tunbridge will fill the role that Priddis plays as the strong inside, slow extractor. Yeo being the fastest of the three.

So I can understand why they didn't pull the trigger, their biggest hole is X-factor small forwards and genuine midfield pace. They have Rosa, Wellingham, Shuey who fit that quickish bracket but nobody I'd be saying is lightning.

 

[george2]

Tbh I'm wondering that about a few cubs, there must be something seriously wrong with this bloke. 189 and growing, good endurance and speed, comfortable off either side and Fyfe like on the inside. Seems like he could have gone much higher? West Coast in particular should have picked him to attempt to dislodge Priddis in a couple years time but maybe Duggan will be the man for them.

I think that although we are very excited about getting Blakely that he probably doesn't have as high a ceiling as say a Tom Lamb who the Eagles chose instead.

 

[Righteo]

Gaff too, not lightening but certainly as outside as it gets.

 

[george2]

I think Vanders has been typecast as a third tall which in "a potentially catastrophic KPP drought" as I've seen it coined isn't considered in a very glamorous light. Being a bit harsh he just seems like another Bucovaz/Houghton to me. Good highlights video but (at this stage) a non-entity at WAFL level and prime delistment fodder for next season.

Only difference being is that Bucovaz and Houghton were on the main list. if he is delisted at the end of next year he only cost us a rookie pick

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Only difference being is that Bucovaz and Houghton were on the main list. if he is delisted at the end of next year he only cost us a rookie pick

I think Vandeleur is merely back in the pack with the other tall boys . They are all developing and waiting for their chance.
It is neither bad news or good news.

 

[Clems Knee]

The talk on Boekhorst has me wondering:
Are there any Swan Districts followers who can help with the style of play that Blakely and Boekhorst brought to the team? I know that Boekhorst is a mature ager, and Blakely a youngster, but did they complement each other, or have similar roles? And which has more upside?