Mega Thread 2014 Drafts complete

[TheLastEmperor]

Just reading through the last few pages I'm going to make a couple of comments.

If StK keep pick 1 I fully expect them to pick McCartin. He's clearly the best natural full forward in the draft, considered comfortably top 4 player in a rather even top end of the draft and obviously fills a major need with Riewoldt in his twilight.

There's a lot of rumours out there that StK are looking to trade pick 1 and that makes sense because over the past few years we have history of the 2 for 1 deals and spreading the talent over more picks/more players traded in.

StK has already opened up 6 spots on the list through retired and delisted players and another has moved back to SA (Terry Milera) and is seeking a trade which the club has publicly said will honour (he is contracted for a further year). There's also talk of at least two others who will be delisted (Fisher & Schneider).

I expect a list turnover of between 8-10 so this provides further intent to make a 2 for 1 deal as well as upgrade 2-3 rookies (someone questioned that here).

The way I see it there's two scenarios:
1. StK keep pick 1 and pick McCartin leaving Petracca for you guys; or
2. StK trade pick 1 to GWS for pick 3/4 (pending Frawley compo) plus player and GWS pick Petracca at 1.

From my own personal POV I would trade pick 1 to you guys limiting the risk of missing out on McCartin assuming you guys take Petracca. Even a simple deal such as;
Pick 1 for pick 2 & 39 giving you guys Petracca and we get McCartin and an extra pick in the top 40. Unlikely though.

I realise you guys will say "we know you want McCartin anyway meaning we take Petracca our favoured pick." But this trade would block any potential trade with GWS. Win-win - small investment on your part.

Cheers, TLE.

 

[Topkent]

He's actually not that bad on AW either - I think it depends on the team around him, but they keep it somewhat serious. 7 is painful because the producers have literally gone to Darcy and BT and said "Do what you did on Triple M but ham it up more". It reflects in their pregame (Mick Molloy?!) and is just plain awful.

Commentate the ******* game.

See at least Der-wayne commentates.

Hell, I wouldn't mind Ox's play-by-play if he didn't stuff up the players every 20secs.

The MMM guys are so much funnier , unfortunately the 7 crew are as funny as aids

 

[Topkent]

Just reading through the last few pages I'm going to make a couple of comments.

If StK keep pick 1 I fully expect them to pick McCartin. He's clearly the best natural full forward in the draft, considered comfortably top 4 player in a rather even top end of the draft and obviously fills a major need with Riewoldt in his twilight.

There's a lot of rumours out there that StK are looking to trade pick 1 and that makes sense because over the past few years we have history of the 2 for 1 deals and spreading the talent over more picks/more players traded in.

StK has already opened up 6 spots on the list through retired and delisted players and another has moved back to SA (Terry Milera) and is seeking a trade which the club has publicly said will honour (he is contracted for a further year). There's also talk of at least two others who will be delisted (Fisher & Schneider).

I expect a list turnover of between 8-10 so this provides further intent to make a 2 for 1 deal as well as upgrade 2-3 rookies (someone questioned that here).

The way I see it there's two scenarios:
1. StK keep pick 1 and pick McCartin leaving Petracca for you guys; or
2. StK trade pick 1 to GWS for pick 3/4 (pending Frawley compo) plus player and GWS pick Petracca at 1.

From my own personal POV I would trade pick 1 to you guys limiting the risk of missing out on McCartin assuming you guys take Petracca. Even a simple deal such as;
Pick 1 for pick 2 & 39 giving you guys Petracca and we get McCartin and an extra pick in the top 40. Unlikely though.

I realise you guys will say "we know you want McCartin anyway meaning we take Petracca our favoured pick." But this trade would block any potential trade with GWS. Win-win - small investment on your part.

Cheers, TLE.

I actually don't mind that as a proposition because it gives us all of trade week to put 3 on the table and say this is peter wright who wants him

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I actually don't mind that as a proposition because it gives us all of trade week to put 3 on the table and say this is peter wright who wants him

Exactly right and I don't doubt you'll have at least two clubs knocking on your door. The Dogs and Blues would love him.

Potentially you get your man Petracca then trade 3 for 6 and a player with a few years of development. That 2 for 1 deal of pick downgrade and player covers your pick 39 you move to StK.

 

[Topkent]

Exactly right and I don't doubt you'll have at least two clubs knocking on your door. The Dogs and Blues would love him.

Potentially you get your man Petracca then trade 3 for 6 and a player with a few years of development. That 2 for 1 deal of pick downgrade and player covers your pick 39 you move to StK.

It's probably the smArtest trade proposition from an oppo supporter this year

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Exactly right and I don't doubt you'll have at least two clubs knocking on your door. The Dogs and Blues would love him.

Potentially you get your man Petracca then trade 3 for 6 and a player with a few years of development. That 2 for 1 deal of pick downgrade and player covers your pick 39 you move to StK.

This is confusing but not the worst idea. Would only happen if we failed to trade 2/3 outright though.

 

[The Dr]

I'd imagine our pick 39 would be reserved for Billy Stretch, but I like the idea in principle

 

[Blackas87]

If we get pick 3 for Frawley then I doubt the Saints would give up pick 1 if they are hell bent on McCartin, would allow us to say Wright and McCartin available at pick 3

 

[Cannon82]

From my own personal POV I would trade pick 1 to you guys limiting the risk of missing out on McCartin assuming you guys take Petracca. Even a simple deal such as;
Pick 1 for pick 2 & 39 giving you guys Petracca and we get McCartin and an extra pick in the top 40. Unlikely though.

What you've suggested is that we'd trade #2 and #39 to get #1... the only reason we'd do that is if we thought St Kilda wanted the same player we do. If that was the case, not sure that #39 is worth losing your preferred #1 pick. Otherwise we're effectively giving you #39 for nothing. Not something I'd sign off on.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

What you've suggested is that we'd trade #2 and #39 to get #1... the only reason we'd do that is if we thought St Kilda wanted the same player we do. If that was the case, not sure that #39 is worth losing your preferred #1 pick. Otherwise we're effectively giving you #39 for nothing. Not something I'd sign off on.

You do it because you block a potential GWS trade for pick 1. I explained it more in the post further up the page.

 

[Cannon82]

You do it because you block a potential GWS trade for pick 1. I explained it more in the post further up the page.

If GWS want your first pick, they have a lot more to offer for it than we do. This is a bit too cloak and daggers for me.

 

[Topkent]

What you've suggested is that we'd trade #2 and #39 to get #1... the only reason we'd do that is if we thought St Kilda wanted the same player we do. If that was the case, not sure that #39 is worth losing your preferred #1 pick. Otherwise we're effectively giving you #39 for nothing. Not something I'd sign off on.

The reason I don't mind it is it pick 39 to concentrate on the full trade week rather than worry about what's happening with petracca

 

[Cannon82]

The reason I don't mind it is it pick 39 to concentrate on the full trade week rather than worry about what's happening with petracca

If we don't use our 3rd rounder on Stretch, I'd rather we draft someone with it instead of give it away. If we do end up with picks #2 and #3 after Frawley leaves, then we trade one or both of them for some 22,23 year old gun talent or keep them. I wouldn't play silly buggers with St Kilda for the privilege of them getting a not great but still useful draft pick. If they want to do a deal with GWS, fine, St Kilda will get whoever we don't want at #4. Presumably St Kilda want McCartin, we probably want Petracca. With the order as is, everyone gets their preferred target. If not, I'd take McCartin and Brayshaw if GWS get Petracca at #1. If they really want McCartin then they'll keep the #1 pick. If not, GWS have much more currency to throw at a trade than we do.

That's just me though.

 

[Topkent]

If we don't use our 3rd rounder on Stretch, I'd rather we draft someone with it instead of give it away. If we do end up with picks #2 and #3 after Frawley leaves, then we trade one or both of them for some 22,23 year old gun talent or keep them. I wouldn't play silly buggers with St Kilda for the privilege of them getting a not great but still useful draft pick. If they want to do a deal with GWS, fine, St Kilda will get whoever we don't want at #4. Presumably St Kilda want McCartin, we probably want Petracca. With the order as is, everyone gets their preferred target. If not, I'd take McCartin and Brayshaw if GWS get Petracca at #1. If they really want McCartin then they'll keep the #1 pick. If not, GWS have much more currency to throw at a trade than we do.

That's just me though.

If we have pick 1 it gives us the full 2 weeks to say here is Peter wright (pick 3)

Brisbane stkilda Carlton Geelong and everyone who wants a tall start bidding

It all depends if we rate brayshaw or we think it's better to trade the pick

 

[Topkent]

If Ryder goes to Brisbane I wonder what we could get leunberger for

 

[LeverPuller]

If Ryder goes to Brisbane I wonder what we could get leunberger for

Knowing Leuenberger, probably just his medical bills.

 

[Topkent]

Knowing Leuenberger, probably just his medical bills.

Sweet just transfer 1 afl payment to another and he is all ours

 

[Cannon82]

If we have pick 1 it gives us the full 2 weeks to say here is Peter wright (pick 3)

Brisbane stkilda Carlton Geelong and everyone who wants a tall start bidding

It all depends if we rate brayshaw or we think it's better to trade the pick

I'm all for offloading a pick if we can extort some value for it or some quality young player(s), but I'm not and I hope the club isn't interested in some kind of daft peace of mind trade. #2 for Tyson and #9 was a no-brainer, fantastic deal for us. Two good players for the price of one. If GWS want pick #1 / Petracca, they're the last team we want to trump in a bidding war. Unless we get overs for our picks, we take them to the draft and take the talent.

 

[Andy_Mac]

I'm happy with McCartin or Petracca at 2 leaving us free to offer P3 as player (eg. Hrovat) + pick down grade, or a straight player trade (eg. Tom Mitchell). I could even see us trying to use our second rounder as additional leverage.

I think we need to remain mindful we don't go crazy with inside mids, we need at least one more elite KPP.

 

[Cannon82]

I think we need to remain mindful we don't go crazy with inside mids, we need at least one more elite KPP.

Eh, can't have too many mids. Our first choice lot are Cross, Vince, Chunk, Tyson and Viney, and Cross and Vince have one / two or three years left, respectively, so while we could do with a KPP, I wouldn't be upset if we bypassed them. Jones is 27 in January... we're not that far away from having to worry about what we'll do when he starts to slow down / consider calling it quits as well.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Eh, can't have too many mids. Our first choice lot are Cross, Vince, Chunk, Tyson and Viney, and Cross and Vince have one / two or three years left, respectively, so while we could do with a KPP, I wouldn't be upset if we bypassed them. Jones is 27 in January... we're not that far away from having to worry about what we'll do when he starts to slow down / consider calling it quits as well.

Don't forget though we still have Toumpas, Salem and Trengove to go with Tyson and Viney as well as the player traded in, the example given being Mitchell.

Right now we have Hogan and....

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Don't forget though we still have Toumpas, Salem and Trengove to go with Tyson and Viney as well as the player traded in, the example given being Mitchell.

Right now we have Hogan and....

You don't really need more than one gun key forward, and as recent draft history shows you're just as likely to pick up an AFL star quality forward at the back end of the draft as you are at the front. We've still got Fitzpatrick too who showed a bit at the end of the year.

 

[Andy_Mac]

You don't really need more than one gun key forward, and as recent draft history shows you're just as likely to pick up an AFL star quality forward at the back end of the draft as you are at the front. We've still got Fitzpatrick too who showed a bit at the end of the year.

No you're not. You're far more likely to pick up a star mid outside the top few, not not KPF.

 

[Topkent]

You don't really need more than one gun key forward, and as recent draft history shows you're just as likely to pick up an AFL star quality forward at the back end of the draft as you are at the front. We've still got Fitzpatrick too who showed a bit at the end of the year.

Sydney- Franklin Tippett
Hawthorn - roughy gunston
Geelong 09-11 - Hawkins pods mooney
Collingwood- cloke Dawes brown


All the premiership teams had 2 quality forwards who can kick 3+ goals and then Sydney this year


Hogan is one . Then we need 30 goals from someone else

 

[Andy_Mac]

Sydney- Franklin Tippett
Hawthorn - roughy gunston
Geelong 09-11 - Hawkins pods mooney
Collingwood- cloke Dawes brown


All the premiership teams had 2 quality forwards who can kick 3+ goals and then Sydney this year


Hogan is one . Then we need 30 goals from someone else

Brown, Bradshaw and Lynch.

A lack of a second option you could argued are a big reason why teams like StKilda and the dogs didn't win one...