Mega Thread 2014 Drafts complete

[Tulip]

I look at it the other way. If we're constantly on a quest to finish 12th, we die (slowly). We're not going to become a good side picking off dropkick halfbacks and rejects in their late 20s / early 30s. We need to build a squad capable of finishing in the top 4 and actually threatening to win something. You can handle a bit of pain as long as we see progress. Under Bailey it was a mixed bag, we went backwards under Neeld, now we've got Roos. Promising signs thus far, but what he does in the next two years is critical. If the legacy he leaves behind is picking up council collection trash like Harry O and Garlett, then he hasn't done much for us.

Hence why we'll take a couple of elite U18's at 2 and 3, and probably 23 as well. What do you actually expect from picks 25> though? Guns? If they make it, 75% of the time they are role-players with varying value. They get drafted late because they have deficiencies, and those are fixed by their teammates who set the example of how to play to your strengths. Who do we have that can take an 18 year old under his wing and say "this is how you get better"? Especially on a half-back flank. And don't you dare mention Grimes, because he's average as hell and he himself needs to do some serious learning after the way he was burdened with the captaincy.

 

[Cannon82]

Don't start romanticising draft picks again because our recruiter actually knows what he's doing.

Why not? If I was the type who could actually remember anything years down the track, I'd probably note down posts like these when everyone is still moaning about how shit we are in 3, 4, 5 years.

I don't have a problem with picking up experienced players as long as we don't give up anything significant for them. Look at what St Kilda and Brisbane are doing. They know where they're at and they're not sitting on the fence with how they're playing it. They'll take a bit of pain now and be better for it in a few years and will probably wave as they go past us as we're putting the likes of Vince, Cross, Harriet, etc out to pasture.

 

[Cannon82]

Hence why we'll take a couple of elite U18's at 2 and 3, and probably 23 as well. What do you actually expect from picks 25> though? Guns? If they make it, 75% of the time they are role-players with varying value. They get drafted late because they have deficiencies, and those are fixed by their teammates who set the example of how to play to your strengths. Who do we have that can take an 18 year old under his wing and say "this is how you get better"? Especially on a half-back flank. And don't you dare mention Grimes, because he's average as hell and he himself needs to do some serious learning after the way he was burdened with the captaincy.

Got JKH at 40 last year, and he looks quite promising. Would I like a similar player or two with our later picks? Sure, why not?

I'll take Grimes over Harry O, thanks.

 

[Tulip]

Why not? If I was the type who could actually remember anything years down the track, I'd probably note down posts like these when everyone is still moaning about how shit we are in 3, 4, 5 years.

I don't have a problem with picking up experienced players as long as we don't give up anything significant for them. Look at what St Kilda and Brisbane are doing. They know where they're at and they're not sitting on the fence with how they're playing it. They'll take a bit of pain now and be better for it in a few years and will probably wave as they go past us as we're putting the likes of Vince, Cross, Harriet, etc out to pasture.

St Kilda and Brisbane? The sides that finished 15th and 18th? How do we know if what they're doing is right? They're being bold, absolutely - but so are we right now. The Lions had a 3peat a decade ago, and the Saints were making grand finals until three seasons back. Lets be honest, we're a club with a worse record than Fitzroy who the members had to save in 08 and the AFL had to save again last season. The sky isn't falling, mate. We're probably giving up next to nothing for two solid players who will fill roles that we struggle in. We know where we are at as much as a club in peril can, and I resent the notion that Paul Roos would be doing things half-arsed because, even though he doesn't want the job long term, we all know that he goes beyond the call of duty.

Got JKH at 40 last year, and he looks quite promising. Would I like a similar player or two with our later picks? Sure, why not?

I'll take Grimes over Harry O, thanks.

JKH looks quite promising, but so did Blease. It means nothing when you don't have the appropriate structures in place on the list. Getting a player like Garlett is designed to help JKH and Kent understand what it means to crumb, for me.

 

[Topkent]

Good argument SSF except the blease looked good part

He never looked good just ran fast

 

[Dez!]

Good argument SSF except the blease looked good part

He never looked good just ran fast

The multiple 5 goal games were good.

 

[Topkent]

2?

Pretty sure beau maister kicked 5 goals in an afl game

 

[LeverPuller]

So coming into this off season what we needed was/is:

#1: More mids
#2: Better half back rebounders
#3: KPD depth
#4: Small forward

Club is addressing 2, 3 & 4. 1 can be the draft (plus maybe a trade). It's not a long term fix but it's a start.

 

[Blackas87]

So coming into this off season what we needed was/is:

#1: More mids
#2: Better half back rebounders
#3: KPD depth
#4: Small forward

Club is addressing 2, 3 & 4. 1 can be the draft (plus maybe a trade). It's not a long term fix but it's a start.

With Kent and Kennedy-Harris I'm not sure small forwards were needed, I here Roos wants Garlett to play more up the field

 

[Viney]

2?

Pretty sure beau maister kicked 5 goals in an afl game

Yeah, against us *spews*

 

[mrmonkey]

Look we can still recruiting young players through the draft and also use some picks on more experienced players. Next year we will likely have a top 10 pick and a pick in the 20s again and this will go on for a few years. But as the young players are coming through and developing we still have some experienced blokes taking the heat until the young players are ready. Then in 3 or 4 years time when guys like cross and Vince have retired, then we should have a good crop properly developed coming through.

 

[philthy987]

Have heard from a reliable source, we are heavily into jake lever, Although his a defender melbourne are thinking of moving him to the midfield

 

[autocol]

TI don't have a problem going all out for the future. If you're going to do something, go the whole hog. Hedging your bets over building for the future and putting a side together for the now is a great way to do neither. Let's say we get Lumumba and Garlett and they both play well, Cross, Vince, Jamar etc stave off the ravages of time for another year and Hogan plays a full season. We'd still be lucky to finish 12th.

Okay, and let's imagine that we go all-out with kids, finish 17th or 18th again (which is what would happen), and Nathan Jones gets to the end of his contract and thinks "well, nothing is changing here" and takes the first free agency bus out of here...

Great result.

 

[thetank]

Got JKH at 40 last year, and he looks quite promising. Would I like a similar player or two with our later picks? Sure, why not?

I'll take Grimes over Harry O, thanks.

Grimes is shit. At least Harry O can run fast, Grimes is a ball butcher and among the slowest players in the comp for his size.

 

[youngbear]

Have heard from a reliable source, we are heavily into jake lever, Although his a defender melbourne are thinking of moving him to the midfield

Probably the option if we do that stupid swap with the Bulldogs

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Grimes is shit. At least Harry O can run fast, Grimes is a ball butcher and among the slowest players in the comp for his size.

Well done on being 100% wrong.

 

[thetank]

Well done on being 100% wrong.

Is that you Ian Prendergast?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

No this is your dad, pull up your pants and go to school.

 

[Tulip]

Well done on being 100% wrong.

Grimes definitely butchers the ball, so he can't be 100% wrong.

I reckon he'll be a much better player next to Lumumba to be honest. He's clearly not ready to be a leader.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Grimes definitely butchers the ball, so he can't be 100% wrong.

I reckon he'll be a much better player next to Lumumba to be honest. He's clearly not ready to be a leader.

eh, if Grimes butchers it so do all but about 3 other guys on the list. Not really a point of difference.

 

[Tulip]

eh, if Grimes butchers it so do all but about 3 other guys on the list. Not really a point of difference.

There is when the guy is our captain.

That kick vs Port...

 

[d33my]

There is when the guy is our captain.

That kick vs Port...

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I'd only just forgotten about that

 

[Dez!]

Grimes is shit. At least Harry O can run fast, Grimes is a ball butcher and among the slowest players in the comp for his size.

Grimes isn't a ball butcher, has disposal issues but of course lets not mention he's a great defender.

He also did an excellent job going with Dangerfield on the lead causing the spoil that won us the game, he's not slow.

Is that you Ian Prendergast?

Is that you Mark Neeld?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

There is when the guy is our captain.

That kick vs Port...

Todd Viney was our captain too.

 

[dee_mac]

Grimes isn't a ball butcher, has disposal issues

I'm not fat, I'm big boned