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I wouldn't , it's the only way to get good senior players
.... Roos has continually proven otherwise.

From his time at Sydney - Mumford, Kennedy, Shaw, McGlynn, Jolly, Mattner, Richards.

Clarkson at the Hawks has done similarly - Burgoyne, Gibson, McEvoy, Gunston, Hale, Lake, Dew.

I'd be disappointed if Roos traded out players for picks, because he's continually said his aim is to increase our competitiveness - trading young players to draft a heap of younger players will set us back a further 4-5 years.
 

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.... Roos has continually proven otherwise.

From his time at Sydney - Mumford, Kennedy, Shaw, McGlynn, Jolly, Mattner, Richards.

Clarkson at the Hawks has done similarly - Burgoyne, Gibson, McEvoy, Gunston, Hale, Lake, Dew.

I'd be disappointed if Roos traded out players for picks, because he's continually said his aim is to increase our competitiveness - trading young players to draft a heap of younger players will set us back a further 4-5 years.
Exactly.

Although, I think nickgrant may have been referring to on-trading the picks for senior players.
 

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.... Roos has continually proven otherwise.

From his time at Sydney - Mumford, Kennedy, Shaw, McGlynn, Jolly, Mattner, Richards.

Clarkson at the Hawks has done similarly - Burgoyne, Gibson, McEvoy, Gunston, Hale, Lake, Dew.

I'd be disappointed if Roos traded out players for picks, because he's continually said his aim is to increase our competitiveness - trading young players to draft a heap of younger players will set us back a further 4-5 years.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying, All of those guys were aquired with draft picks
Im thinking Roos might try and get alot of work done in the offseason and thats going to take draft picks
 

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I'm hoping that 3aW rumour about putting Watts, Trengove, Grimes and Toumpas up for trade was more about countering the negative publicity on our PP application, by implying that we don't rate our core group.

Unless a great deal came up, I presume only Watts is going to be heavily shopped around from that group.
 

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What do Melbourne supporters realistically think you would get for Watts?
If he was a 4th round draft pick in 08 I think you would be happy with him.
IMO you could get a late 2nd round pick for him.
BTW I dont think you should trade him anyway.
 

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I'm hoping that 3aW rumour about putting Watts, Trengove, Grimes and Toumpas up for trade was more about countering the negative publicity on our PP application, by implying that we don't rate our core group.

Unless a great deal came up, I presume only Watts is going to be heavily shopped around from that group.
Yeah I'd trade Watts but would hold onto the others, would be disappointed if we traded any of them.
 
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What do Melbourne supporters realistically think you would get for Watts?
If he was a 4th round draft pick in 08 I think you would be happy with him.
IMO you could get a late 2nd round pick for him.
BTW I dont think you should trade him anyway.
Probably an early-mid 2nd rounder (22-25) - Watts' value (if we want to trade him) could really fluctuate depending on how many clubs did or didn't want him.

Hopefully we keep him.
 
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I always find it amusing over the years how many opposition supporters say Watts is useless etc, but then suddenly become interested in getting him over when the trade period comes around.
It's because it seems that the culture at Melbourne isn't bringing the best out of him - but the elite talent is there. People don't see him getting any better if he stays at Melbourne. But there is the possibility that in a different environment he may excel and start to realise that talent that saw him originally go pick 1. You may get a higher pick that you might expect as a few clubs will most likely line up for him backing in their development teams and cultures to get the best out of him.

I'd be VERY happy for PAFC to give up our first rounder for him (which after concessions etc.) may be around 14-15. Develop him as KPF which is what we need with Schulz and Westhoff getting on in late 20s
 

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Only 6-7 weeks ago, I would have been confident that someone would take a punt with a mid-late first round pick on Watts. Now, I just can't see anyone doing bett than a second rounder.
 

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It's because it seems that the culture at Melbourne isn't bringing the best out of him - but the elite talent is there. People don't see him getting any better if he stays at Melbourne. But there is the possibility that in a different environment he may excel and start to realise that talent that saw him originally go pick 1. You may get a higher pick that you might expect as a few clubs will most likely line up for him backing in their development teams and cultures to get the best out of him.

I'd be VERY happy for PAFC to give up our first rounder for him (which after concessions etc.) may be around 14-15. Develop him as KPF which is what we need with Schulz and Westhoff getting on in late 20s
I don't think it's got to do with Melbourne's culture, its the fact that he is too soft and scared to go in hard for the footy, you want him as a KPF? he refuses to go up for pack marks, he stand off like he's a small forward pocket.

Talent is there but what's the point of having it if you're too scared?
 

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I don't think it's got to do with Melbourne's culture, its the fact that he is too soft and scared to go in hard for the footy, you want him as a KPF? he refuses to go up for pack marks, he stand off like he's a small forward pocket.

Talent is there but what's the point of having it if you're too scared?
shhhh don't tell them that......

It's because it seems that the culture at Melbourne isn't bringing the best out of him - but the elite talent is there. People don't see him getting any better if he stays at Melbourne. But there is the possibility that in a different environment he may excel and start to realise that talent that saw him originally go pick 1. You may get a higher pick that you might expect as a few clubs will most likely line up for him backing in their development teams and cultures to get the best out of him.
I'd be VERY happy for PAFC to give up our first rounder for him (which after concessions etc.) may be around 14-15. Develop him as KPF which is what we need with Schulz and Westhoff getting on in late 20s
Its a tough one but ok we will take your first round pick and you can have the talented KPF ;)
 
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shhhh don't tell them that......



Its a tough one but ok we will take your first round pick and you can have the talented KPF ;)
I guess that's why I'm not the recruiting manager at Port Adelaide haha...

But I was more providing an explanation why supporters might in one breath say how sh*t he is at Melbourne but in the next want to trade him to their club.

Melbourne doesn't exactly have a long history of strong development of young players...

That's why many supporters (and I daresay clubs as I reckon they'll be a few interested in him) would want him and expect more output once he enters their development system.
 
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Watts could learn a lot from Westhoff, who I see as a similar type player... he took a while to really pull his finger out but now he's a gun player.
If he can sort out his lack of intensity and brain fades he could be a great swing man.

It must kill you as supporters to have him at your club and not see him realise his potential.

Westhoff was much maligned (and still is at times) by our supporter base as looking disinterested on the field and not getting in the game enough. He was a 198cm agile and talented footballer. You would pull your head out trying to understand why he wasn't ripping up the competition.

It wasn't until Hinkley arrived that he has started to realise his talent (although our lack of tall forwards and trengove going down injured) has seen him drop off this season due to having to play more in the ruck and loose in defence rather than letting him roam around the ground freely which is when he is most dangerous.

He's a great example though. Westhoff had all the tools to do well at AFL level but it wasn't until a new coach arrived with a different style that just happened to click with his personality that we've seen his best (at 27 and 28 years of age).

Whose to say getting into a different team environment, different team mates, different club history, culture, players, state won't be good for him? It doesn't necessarily have to be a better club, coach, state etc. but it just could be something that makes it click for him.
 

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To stick by Trenners after he got injured and the whole captaincy debacle then to trade him at seasons end would be the worst one for me. The guy genuinely loves the club, and if he can cement his spot in the 18 I still think he is the obvious next captain after Jones.
 

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I want Jimmy T. I'm offering Taylor Hunt and our third round. What's your counter offer. Don't say pick in the first 15 cause we can't make that happen.
 

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I want Jimmy T. I'm offering Taylor Hunt and our third round. What's your counter offer. Don't say pick in the first 15 cause we can't make that happen.
Yeah that's not gonna happen for that deal
We would want a look at one of those pacey young mids , Murdoch or something like that
One of your reserve taggers ain't getting the job done
 

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Yeah that's not gonna happen for that deal
We would want a look at one of those pacey young mids , Murdoch or something like that
One of your reserve taggers ain't getting the job done
Murdoch for Toumpas wow! Good to know.
Do you think Toumpas will break into the senior side next year?
 
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