List Mgmt. 2014 Free Agency, draft and trades news and discussion **Not the trade hypotheticals thread"

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Anyone who wouldn't want Tom Rockliff is legit beyond help. A-Grader and the fact he was once again left out of Mike Sheahan's top 50 shows what a joke that man is.

EDIT - sorry, reply was aimed at the dude who asked why anyone would want a Brisbane player.
 

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I posted a little while ago, but got no response. Perhaps no one knows the answer? What the story with Kelly? Sounds like he's going well at BH and could get a game at a some other clubs, but it's almost as if it's been a bit of a curse for him being recruited by the Hawks in the fact that it's a tough side to break into. Probably doesn't have much trade value, but I hope for him that if he's delisted, someone else picks him up.
 

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Hodge was 27-28. Not 32-33....Hardly comparable.
Yes, but the point is we can't write players off after a bad run of injuries. We all stand buy Cyril even though he has had 7 hammys in 6 years. Brian has had 2 calfs this year. Yes he is 32, but he has another year of footy left in him.

We are short of KPD, yet we have a AA, Norm Smith medalist, premiership player that can play on talls very well. Let's give him 1 more year on a reduced contract. No brainer.
 
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Tyson Goldsack is an interesting one...Reasonably solid player, accountable & can play both defensive & attacking roles....22/5/87; 193 cm, 94kgs, turning 28 in 2015.....Given that Lake & Gibbo are nearing the end & with Spangher injury prone, would have thought he'd be worth a shot! Also, with Litherland still unsigned, it seems a more than sensible move.

Speaking of Lithers, given he is still unsigned, does that mean he is definitely down as returning to W/A?....And, if so, what will we be looking to get for him in return?...I note that Gaff is still yet to re-sign with W/C!
 

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You buy when you have the means and you see something you need.
Every year is a rainy day, every year is worth putting yourself in position to win it all.
Re-builds, waiting for next year or 5 years, that's other clubs, not mine.
I want to see us continually restock, continually contest for honors, you know, just stay on the simmer as opposed to going cold and having to re-boil the list.
The problem with waiting for players down the road is that there is no guarantee they will sign for us over other clubs. Clubs still only very occasionally lose the players they want to keep, so holding out for someone more than a year away is pipedreams and promises for supporters of teams that continually fail.
Give me the bird in the hand.
I agree in principle.

Right now our depth allows follow our own schedule.
 

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Says he was on $450k/year for 4 years...2010-2013, but I think it might have been 5 years or a 5th year activation. From all reports the doggies are paying a big chunk of his salary still. I'm not sure he took a big pay cut as the media reported.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lake-signs-with-bulldogs-20091124-j7vn.html
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dep...491788621?nk=de12a81c6f1bd68e9d4acef0fa273866
I thought i heard he was on somewhere near 750k at the dogs......If he signed on for 450k, that was a bargain for a defender who was AA and right in his prime.
 

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Yes, but the point is we can't write players off after a bad run of injuries. We all stand buy Cyril even though he has had 7 hammys in 6 years. Brian has had 2 calfs this year. Yes he is 32, but he has another year of footy left in him.

We are short of KPD, yet we have a AA, Norm Smith medalist, premiership player that can play on talls very well. Let's give him 1 more year on a reduced contract. No brainer.
But the point is he's 32 - 33 and not 27-28 or 24-25 like Cyril. He's barely been on the park and been able to train including pre-season because of old man injuries. Lake not being on the park has then meant Shoey couldn't be groomed in the forward line as intended, so he had to go down back once again to play on the monstors......We are short of KP defenders that can handle the monstors....that's right, that's why there's one that's a free agent ripe for the picking that in his prime years and looks durable enough to play a full year, rather than one that comes with a high risk as a 32-33 year old of his body breaking down again.

If we're unable to get Frawley then we have no other choice but to roll the dice with Lake, but if we do manage to get Frawley then our KP defence stocks are settled for at least 3 to 4 years barring any serious injury's.
 
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Here is a thought.....

Given the emergence of Litherland as a Half Back Flanker/ Third Tall type in Defence and the need to add quality to our midfield what about this trade.

Stratton and our 1st Round Pick to Eagles
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Schuey and there 2nd Round Pick to Hawks

We can even chuck in Grimley or Lowden in there as well to get the deal done.


Stratton is originally from WA and hopefully with a 2nd medal around his neck a move home might be appealing.

Schuey is a VIC boy and when you include him, Shiels, Langford, Woodward, Hallahan and Jed Anderson in our centre rotation we have the young guys to replace Hodgey, Mitchell, Burgoyne and to a lesser extent Sewell when they retire in the next few years.

With Cox retiring WCE could do with a back up ruck for Nick Nat and Grimley and Lowden could be handy for them. Plus we have McEvoy, Hale, Ceglar and one of the other two remaining for next year which is enough depth in the ruck.

This could favour both sides.....
 

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Still boring though. Like I said that would make the entirety of this thread pointless....and yet you're replying. Surely you have an opinion on list strategy considering you're replying to posts regarding list strategy.
I have thoughts on who we need, who we don't, who is no chance of being traded to us, who will be delisted, etc, so I'll share them as a follower of the HFC and Box Hill.

There's no point going into what I'd do in trade week, what picks to use or any thing else down that path because I'm not in a position to have any influence so it's a waste of time even pondering it.
 

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I have thoughts on who we need, who we don't, who is no chance of being traded to us, who will be delisted, etc, so I'll share them as a follower of the HFC and Box Hill.

There's no point going into what I'd do in trade week, what picks to use or any thing else down that path because I'm not in a position to have any influence so it's a waste of time even pondering it.
We got time.
 

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I posted a little while ago, but got no response. Perhaps no one knows the answer? What the story with Kelly? Sounds like he's going well at BH and could get a game at a some other clubs, but it's almost as if it's been a bit of a curse for him being recruited by the Hawks in the fact that it's a tough side to break into. Probably doesn't have much trade value, but I hope for him that if he's delisted, someone else picks him up.
Good mates with Whitfield isn't he?

Don't see how we get Lachie by using him as "bait" but maybe we can move him onto GWS with their 4 rd pick then try and bundle the our 3rd and 4th for a better 3rd??
 

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I have thoughts on who we need, who we don't, who is no chance of being traded to us, who will be delisted, etc, so I'll share them as a follower of the HFC and Box Hill.

There's no point going into what I'd do in trade week, what picks to use or any thing else down that path because I'm not in a position to have any influence so it's a waste of time even pondering it.
You're also not in a position regarding, who is delisted, who we need or who is no chance of being traded to us etc........I don't see why you're picking and choosing when you have an opinion on everything else!

I'll simplify it then......Would you go James Frawley as a free agent ?
 

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You're also not in a position regarding, who is delisted, who we need or who is no chance of being traded to us etc........I don't see why you're picking and choosing when you have an opinion on everything else!
No, but I can have an opinion on whether I like them as a player or not, and if I think they're wasting a spot on our list.



Going into pairing up players with draft picks and hypothesizing trades is pointless to me. It bogs down threads and goes nowhere.

You can come up with all the trade scenarios in the world if you want to though.
 

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It really depends on how much we have in terms of room on our list.

3 compulsory picks in the draft.

Delsited - Garlett Wangers Kelly?
Retirements: Sewell- maybe.

KPD currently on the list : Lake Gibson Shoey Spangher Cheeney (Brand Heatherley) Project raw.
If you add in Frawley- that's too many on the list. Someone would need to be axed.

Shoey and Spanger ability to play forward. It leaves 6 including Frawley.
I think Wang is a rookie
 

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No, but I can have an opinion on whether I like them as a player or not, and if I think they're wasting a spot on our list.



Going into pairing up players with draft picks and hypothesizing trades is pointless to me. It bogs down threads and goes nowhere.

You can come up with all the trade scenarios in the world if you want to though.
I don't think people actually expect anything to come of their own trade hypothetical or even expect that it will some how influence a decision made by the club.

I think they're quite interesting thought exercises as you get to see how people rate/value certain players and even draft picks outside of the more abstract means that we rate players in discussions (eg. "elite/gun", "A/B/C grader", "depth", "potential", etc).

Given many players who are tossed up in trade hypotheticals tend to be the players who do end up getting traded (writing was on the wall, rumours, etc) it is interesting to see how close the hypothetical trades are to what eventuates.
 

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No, but I can have an opinion on whether I like them as a player or not, and if I think they're wasting a spot on our list.



Going into pairing up players with draft picks and hypothesizing trades is pointless to me. It bogs down threads and goes nowhere.

You can come up with all the trade scenarios in the world if you want to though.

I'm sorry, but didn't you suggest we trade Birchall for a Shiel type midfielder earlier in this thread......You're trying to make me look like a d*ck even though you ARE hypothesizing trades, You're picking and choosing.

Also, I wasn't asking you to go into finer detail regarding trade scenarios......it was more draft/trade strategy involving Lake regarding our list. I'm not sure where I asked you for a scenario using our pick 22 trade it for pick 44, 98, 10,054 and Didier Drogba.

It was pretty simple:


A) Do we go the free agency route for a KPD replacement and use our first round pick and/or a player on a GWS midfilder target. eg: Shiel.

B) Do we trade for a KP defender ?

C) Do we go the free agency route for a KPD replacement, Keep our first pick and rebuild our midfield through the draft.

D) Go straight to the draft, draft best available and worry about KPD next year.

D) None of the above.



Surely you have an opinion on our list strategy, whether its official or not doesn't make any difference what so ever. This is a Trades Draft Free Agency thread......its a discussion based on absoulte sh*t and holds absolutely no bearing on what the club will do. If that's your reasoning close the thread its pointless.. ...
 

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I would be staggered if the club is not involved in trades again. Hopefully, the club though is more focused in developing its own half-back flankers then in bringing in an over-rated player such as Frawley.
Its a good thing then that Frawley isn't a half back flanker....we would have had an almighty shock if we traded him in as one.
 
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