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Hmmm. Just had a look. Very dangerous suggesting someone is a list clogger and then in the same thread suggesting he might play like wirrapanda.

Best I walk out backwards without making eye contact about now.
 

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Now this is going to seem racist..... Who was the aboriginal half back at west coast in the early / mid 90's?
To ensure there is no misunderstanding.Not all Aboriginal players are the same , just as players from any genetic background are not all the same but I think its fair to say The Motlop type represents the type of Aborignal player more often seen at AFL level , rather than the taller heavy style player that say Polly or Stephen Michael seemed to be. From memory , there is a bit of Pollys running style , Polly was 191 and 90 +. He just reminds me of that old style player

Half back at WC. Wirrapunda was in their backline but to me he is probably closer to Chris Lewis
 

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Im yet to see the type of magic that would compare , but he reminds me more of early SJ than a Motlop or Varcoe. He looks to run heavy , and is no looking great athlete. But one can see he has footy talent. Early on I wondered if SJ was athletic enough and its the same when I see Hartman. He needs a huge lift in his tank , a big couple of PS , a big in gym effort to become strong in body and he then may become an inspired pick.
At the moment he looks like a handy player borrowed from South Barwon
Cannot see much in Hartman from limited viewings - but he is young and really needs another season minimum to see what he can do in the VFL.
This can be said for the majority of 18yo draft picks, we are still saying the same thing about Mitch Brown...
just don't understand why so many posters want him de listed, look at Hamling who showed less in his first year and was a 1st rd pick.
The club will not delist him after 1 year nor should they
 

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Thanks. Need to go and look at vision now.
That doesn't sound right. Wirrpanda first appeared in the AFL in 1996 (think he was 16 years old at the time) and didn't really start making a mark until the early 00s.

Three things to consider about Hartman:
  1. We all saw the potential crunch coming to our rookie list when the club decided only to upgrade Stringer and let Simpkin go at the end of last season. And if we could all see it coming, it's a safe bet that Wells and co. did as well. They could have easily promoted Walker with the Hartman draft pick, yet they chose not to. So it would be a pretty big about-face for them to chop Hartman (when he is still only 18) and promote Walker or Burbury with his spot on the list, considering we were probably more excited about Walker's potential 12 months ago.
  2. While we didn't make a rookie selection last year, as I understand it, Geelong could have upgraded Walker with the Hartman pick, then picked Hartman in the rookie draft, with the spot that had become available, due to Walker's promotion. The Cats chose not to do this. I'm assuming it's not because they were expecting miracles from the 77th pick in the draft.
  3. I'm not sure what else people are expecting from this guy in his first 12 months with the club. He should get another year to show what he can do. By the end of 2014 (barring major injury), I'm quite confident that we will have a much better idea of whether Hartman is a long-term player for us and the other thing is there will probably be a lot more spaces open on the list by the end of next year. Cowan, Schroder, McCarthy, Bews, McIntosh, Stringer and Menzel are all on the senior list right now and are no certainties to be there by the end of next year (though almost all of them will avoid the axe this year). Add Hartman to that group and whichever veterans are on the way out and it seems likely that it will be much easier to predict what we will do at the end of next year.
It's a tight squeeze in 2013, but things will open up on our list from 2014 and beyond.
 

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That doesn't sound right. Wirrpanda first appeared in the AFL in 1996 (think he was 16 years old at the time) and didn't really start making a mark until the early 00s.

Three things to consider about Hartman:
  1. We all saw the potential crunch coming to our rookie list when the club decided only to upgrade Stringer and let Simpkin go at the end of last season. And if we could all see it coming, it's a safe bet that Wells and co. did as well. They could have easily promoted Walker with the Hartman draft pick, yet they chose not to. So it would be a pretty big about-face for them to chop Hartman (when he is still only 18) and promote Walker or Burbury with his spot on the list, considering we were probably more excited about Walker's potential 12 months ago.
  2. While we didn't make a rookie selection last year, as I understand it, Geelong could have upgraded Walker with the Hartman pick, then picked Hartman in the rookie draft, with the spot that had become available, due to Walker's promotion. The Cats chose not to do this. I'm assuming it's not because they were expecting miracles from the 77th pick in the draft.
  3. I'm not sure what else people are expecting from this guy in his first 12 months with the club. He should get another year to show what he can do. By the end of 2014 (barring major injury), I'm quite confident that we will have a much better idea of whether Hartman is a long-term player for us and the other thing is there will probably be a lot more spaces open on the list by the end of next year. Cowan, Schroder, McCarthy, Bews, McIntosh, Stringer and Menzel are all on the senior list right now and are no certainties to be there by the end of next year (though almost all of them will avoid the axe this year). Add Hartman to that group and whichever veterans are on the way out and it seems likely that it will be much easier to predict what we will do at the end of next year.
It's a tight squeeze in 2013, but things will open up on our list from 2014 and beyond.
Upgrading walker would have a created a spot on the rookie list but we still needed to have 2 picks in the ND which would have meant de listing another player.
 

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This can be said for the majority of 18yo draft picks, we are still saying the same thing about Mitch Brown...
just don't understand why so many posters want him de listed, look at Hamling who showed less in his first year and was a 1st rd pick.
The club will not delist him after 1 year nor should they
S13 , Hamling was R2 P32 but id agree he is a bit closer to being ready. As far as delisting him or why? He is a far longer view player than others we have. He should be a Rookie
 
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  1. I'm not sure what else people are expecting from this guy in his first 12 months with the club.

Not expecting anything. I didnt watch him closely until Saturday. And I'm not asking for him to be flicked.
As I said. He looks like a 1/2 back and I'm not sure we need one. So I wasn't sure why he was drafted.

But having said that. We might need one big time in a few years.

I dont see any other role. He is not a Motlop type at all.
 

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S13 , Hamling was R2 P32 but id agree he is a bit closer to being ready. As far as delisting him or why? He is a far longer view player than others we have. He should be a Rookie
Turbo, think you'll find he was in fact our 1st rd pick as that was the year GWS had 11 of the first 14 picks.
Actually Turbo, Ill take that back , think we might hve swapped our late 1st rd for 2 early 2nd rd picks that year, and got Kersten with the 2nd one. :oops:
 

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Turbo, think you'll find he was in fact our 1st rd pick as that was the year GWS had 11 of the first 14 picks.
Actually Turbo, Ill take that back , think we might hve swapped our late 1st rd for 2 early 2nd rd picks that year, and got Kersten with the 2nd one. :oops:
Another Well's Special

Draft pick No. 26 Geelong <> Gold Coast Draft picks No. 32 and 34

In real terms =
Todd Elton < > Joel Hamling + Shane Kersten
 

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I agree P. But Brown is not a Gorilla type player - so even though he is our only real KPD player we have presently he is not a Lonergan type.

I hope we keep Brown as I think he has potential. Downside is he looks a tad slow and will never be a true KP player for the next 3 years at least - if ever. But he is nice mark, a good kick, is tall and seems to have developed some decent reading of the play.

I am all for training up Blicavs to see if he can be a Lonergan type defender with a bit more run. Then at least we have 2 possible KPD players available.
I don't think he's slow. Not sure if you saw much of the VFL on Saturday but he looked an absolute class above. Had way more time than most and delivered the ball well on every occasion. Is looking clearly a better player now than even the start of this season. Spot on about his reading of the play, seems to be one of his big assets.
 

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hey Cats fans just asking if you guys know about what type of contracts Kersten and Josh Walker are both under and what would be their trade values in your opinions?
 

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hey Cats fans just asking if you guys know about what type of contracts Kersten and Josh Walker are both under and what would be their trade values in your opinions?
I was actually going to post something regarding P.A, with 5 senior listed guys going and no rookies to promote, I was wondering if Hinkley may have been looking at a couple of GFC fringe player to top on.

Think Stringer is a Port boy and was going to suggest how far a Walker and Stringer for your 2nd rounder would be off the mark.
 

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I was actually going to post something regarding P.A, with 5 senior listed guys going and no rookies to promote, I was wondering if Hinkley may have been looking at a couple of GFC fringe player to top on.

Think Stringer is a Port boy and was going to suggest how far a Walker and Stringer for your 2nd rounder would be off the mark.
Hinkley would defs know the values of the delisted Gold Coast players and fringe Geelong players, many on the Port board are interested in signing Weller and Wilkinson from Gold Coast as DFA. Not much talk about any Geelong players though.

As for Port's 2nd round pick we are trying to land Jared Polec from Brisbane(top 5 draft pick) with that pick. he has had some injury troubles but we believe he will be an elite winger for us. But sadly the crows are also into him and some say Ricky Henderson + a pick could get the crows over the line for Polec.

As for your trade I'd be happy parting with a 2nd round pick for Stringer (23 next year) and is a Port boy, and Walker (21 next year) would fit Ports need of a fwd due to J.Butcher not performing. But only if Port don't land Polec.

edit: Also then Port would not have to draft Cameron McCarthy the KPF with their first pick in the draft and could then draft someone like Dunstan
 

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Hinkley would defs know the values of the delisted Gold Coast players, many on the Port board are interested in signing Weller and Wilkinson as DFA.

As for Port's 2nd round pick we are trying to land Jared Polec from Brisbane(top 5 draft pick) with that pick. he has had some injury troubles but we believe he will be an elite winger for us. But sadly the crows are also into him and some say Ricky Henderson + a pick could get the crows over the line for Polec.

As for your trade I'd be happy parting with a 2nd round pick for Stringer (23 next year) and is a Port boy, and Walker (21 next year) would fit Ports need of a fwd due to J.Butcher not performing. But only if Port don't land Polec.

edit: Also then Port would not have to draft Cameron McCarthy the KPF with their first pick in the draft and could then draft someone like Dunstan
I think a low first rounder or high second rounder would be needed for Polec, but good luck in trade week, and I also see potential for a trade re Walker, Stringer or both being a win win for both clubs.
 

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Hinkley would defs know the values of the delisted Gold Coast players and fringe Geelong players, many on the Port board are interested in signing Weller and Wilkinson from Gold Coast as DFA. Not much talk about any Geelong players though.

As for Port's 2nd round pick we are trying to land Jared Polec from Brisbane(top 5 draft pick) with that pick. he has had some injury troubles but we believe he will be an elite winger for us. But sadly the crows are also into him and some say Ricky Henderson + a pick could get the crows over the line for Polec.

As for your trade I'd be happy parting with a 2nd round pick for Stringer (23 next year) and is a Port boy, and Walker (21 next year) would fit Ports need of a fwd due to J.Butcher not performing. But only if Port don't land Polec.

edit: Also then Port would not have to draft Cameron McCarthy the KPF with their first pick in the draft and could then draft someone like Dunstan
What the hell has happened to him?? Gun junior.

Do you think Henderson + a pick would pry Polec out of Brisbane? I'd think the Lions would be looking for a bit more. I actually think Polec is a better chance to get to Port than Adelaide.
 
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