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Happy to start talking trades if people are interested in pieces/picks. Looking to upgrade through the draft again this season.
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I'm in somewhat of a similar position. Too many backs, too many forwards. Not enough centres or rucks.
TRADE ALERT
TenderWARRIORS Receives – REID, Pick 9, Pick 37
Tutty Receives – MOORE, BURBURY, WRIGHT, Pick 20, Pick 57, Pick 62
My list is ageing, and by completing this trade I will be gaining 3 young players that will (hopefully) have an impact in the upcoming season, all of which have shown some promise. And also gaining 3 picks in the draft, and with this year’s draft pool I am certain that I will be able to pick up some young jets, even in the latter half of the draft.
I don’t see that much of a difference in pick 9 and 20, and that is compensated for with the extra picks of 57 and 62. I think I am basically trading Reid for Burbury and Moore, pick 20 and Wright for pick 9 and picks 57 and 62 for pick 37. Reid having a lot of promise, hasn’t really shown anything spectacular, TW rates Reid a lot higher than I do so I really don’t mind palming him off. With my Centres that play averaging at around 28 years old, I need a young centre such as Moore.
tenderwarrior to confirm
TenderWARRIORS Receives – REID, Pick 9, Pick 37
Tutty Receives – MOORE, BURBURY, WRIGHT, Pick 20, Pick 57, Pick 62
My list is ageing, and by completing this trade I will be gaining 3 young players that will (hopefully) have an impact in the upcoming season, all of which have shown some promise. And also gaining 3 picks in the draft, and with this year’s draft pool I am certain that I will be able to pick up some young jets, even in the latter half of the draft.
I don’t see that much of a difference in pick 9 and 20, and that is compensated for with the extra picks of 57 and 62. I think I am basically trading Reid for Burbury and Moore, pick 20 and Wright for pick 9 and picks 57 and 62 for pick 37. Reid having a lot of promise, hasn’t really shown anything spectacular, TW rates Reid a lot higher than I do so I really don’t mind palming him off. With my Centres that play averaging at around 28 years old, I need a young centre such as Moore.
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Tutty, I'd advise shopping around a bit more in future. I think you could've done better with pick 9 personally.
Hopefully it all works out but you're taking a big punt on a 23 year old mid that played 6 games this year.
And for the record, if there's anyone else out there that doesn't see a big difference between their first round draft pick and my second round draft pick, please, send me a PM.
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It's kind of funny how you guys say that you haven't made a trade before in any of your leagues together, but you organise a trade within the first few days of joining this league - one which has already caused debate to its fairness. Just for the record, this trade occurred last season - one which didn't cause any fuss:
Jimmy's Junk receives:
David Zaharakis
Rockford's Raiders receives:
Pick 9, Pick 23
Jimmy's Junk receives:
David Zaharakis
Rockford's Raiders receives:
Pick 9, Pick 23
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I don't find it funny at all.
Happy for it to be debated, and vetoed if need be, but I am not happy for anybody to question my integrity.
I have hope that Sam Reid will be able to fulfill his potential, but in 4 years he has never been fantasy football relevant and I compare him to a trade I did last year involving both Butcher and Liam Jones for Pick 27 (which nobody questioned from memory). I don't doubt that Reid is more highly rated, but what has he delivered? I see him as similar value to Moore (Moore valued a bit less due to being a Centre, but based on output is the better UF player), who Tutty sees as valuable to his squad for reasons he has mentioned.
Pick 9 for Pick 20 and Wright/Burbury or however one wishes to see it is very fair, it depends how you value picks. I am looking to make some room, while Tutty will have about 10 new players, so to be able to get two players in Burbury and Wright who are young and have been shown to be in their respective teams best 22 is a good deal. I know many see the the draft as having a top 5 and then it being pretty even for the next 15 -20 picks, so it is hard to argue that this is not fair.
Pick 37 for Pick 57 and 62 aspect I really don't care for, it was just the next two picks I had after I paid overs for Kennedy and Pick 15 in giving away too much to L_W_P
Where were you all then to share your concern that I was getting ripped
?
I have no idea what that trade is supposed to add to the discussion?
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I wasn't questioning your integrity, but don't you think the situation is rather odd?
Unknown Caller
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Tutty is a new member and such he doesn't really know the relative valuations of players and picks in the league. Giving an example of trade will help him become more informed. In fact, he could look at last year's list management thread to gather more information.
Hi all, I am of the understanding that this is seen as an unfair trade. As TW said, I am also happy for this to be debated and vetoed if that is the decision that is made.
If you guys didn't see my spreadsheet in the signups thread, have a look. You will notice that I am planning to cull a large amount of players, some of which still have 2 or more good seasons ahead of them. I understand that not all of these players I plan to get rid of will be taken up, I will be de-listing a number of them. When I am given the opportunity to take up 3 young players in Wright, Burbury and Moore, along with 3 draft picks (all of which I believe I can use to gain young players that I think can develop into good players in a year or two). I think I would have been silly to simply knock it back being in my position...
The argument on Reid is;
as TW said he hasn't really lived up to the hype. For me, when looking at Moore I was only really taking into the account the games where he didn't start as a sub. The numbers he posted in those games are promising, more so then the numbers Reid has been capable of. It is a risky trade for the both of us, TW more so then I. Reid could continue on as he has and never really be a great UF Player. TW is relying on one guy to come good, if he doesn't then he has basically traded everyone for a couple of draft picks...
Thanks for the advice Unknown Caller, it is the same advice given to me by tenderwarrior when I was announced the new coach. Apologies for causing such an uproar in my first decision as a coach, but in all honesty, I don't see the issue with this trade.
On the flip, I am also more then happy for you guys to PM me if you are interested in some trade talks
If you guys didn't see my spreadsheet in the signups thread, have a look. You will notice that I am planning to cull a large amount of players, some of which still have 2 or more good seasons ahead of them. I understand that not all of these players I plan to get rid of will be taken up, I will be de-listing a number of them. When I am given the opportunity to take up 3 young players in Wright, Burbury and Moore, along with 3 draft picks (all of which I believe I can use to gain young players that I think can develop into good players in a year or two). I think I would have been silly to simply knock it back being in my position...
The argument on Reid is;
as TW said he hasn't really lived up to the hype. For me, when looking at Moore I was only really taking into the account the games where he didn't start as a sub. The numbers he posted in those games are promising, more so then the numbers Reid has been capable of. It is a risky trade for the both of us, TW more so then I. Reid could continue on as he has and never really be a great UF Player. TW is relying on one guy to come good, if he doesn't then he has basically traded everyone for a couple of draft picks...
Thanks for the advice Unknown Caller, it is the same advice given to me by tenderwarrior when I was announced the new coach. Apologies for causing such an uproar in my first decision as a coach, but in all honesty, I don't see the issue with this trade.
On the flip, I am also more then happy for you guys to PM me if you are interested in some trade talks
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I think everyone still jumps the gun on trades. Too much is invested in trying to keep things as close as they can be when sometimes a risk needs to be taken, a completely different mindset can change the way a trade is done, and simply put - no one is going to agree with everything. It's just reality to understand that there are always going to be different opinions. In terms of footy, let's just say "Not 15, play on"?
Just found the spreadsheet. Maybe consider not delisting Lucas though? He's fairly comparable to Moore who you've traded in. Would suck a bit if you delisted Lucas after trading in Moore and Kane ends up best 22 at the Blues and averaging 25 touches and Moore is still playing SANFL next season :/
Moore only really plays SANFL after an injury lay off, so not likely to happen
I think you will find that Lucas and other players in that colour category are only delisting options if they are delisted from their AFL team and therefore UF Out of interest, didn't you get a first round pick from Angels in the deal where you traded him Lucas
Out of interest, didn't you get a first round pick from Angels in the deal where you traded him Lucas
Also traded him a ruck that played 21 games this season in that deal. Pretty cheap for a playing ruck really.
If we subbed out pieces of my deal last season with that last one, then your deal with Tutty might've looked more like this:
TW receives:
Sam Reid
Pick 9
Tutty receives:
Andrew Moore
Wright and Burbury (are Wright and Burbury worth Blicavs though?)
Pick 32
Pick 46
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Rockford, If you want to make a veto call do it, you are well within your right - but what you have posted above doesn't make sense - why you have changed the draft picks around and left other ones out I don't know, but both Tutty and I have explained the rationale for the trade in previous posts, as I also have with you directly through numerous private messages.
My reference to Lucas and a first round pick was tongue in cheek, but in hindsight I should have simply not responded to your comparison of Lucas to Moore (I wonder which Carlton would prefer?). I believe that I have said all there is to say, so I will refrain from responding to further comments on this trade, unless a question is asked directly. This will be hard for my ego, but a bit of spiritual discipline never hurt anybody. In the words of flaps, "play on".
You compared my deal last season with StAnselm to your deal this season. I thought it only fair to compare it in its entirety.
You've traded Moore (statistically comparable to Lucas), Wright, Burbury, Pick 20, Pick 57 and Pick 62 out. In return you've received Sam Reid, Pick 9 AND Pick 37.
My own comparison was in response and to highlight that there was a great deal more happening than Kane Lucas for pick 10 (as you alluded to). Specifically, I also gave up Mark Blicavs (a playing ruck), Pick 36 and Pick 42 and had Laird come back the other way.
A comparison between a 23 year old Moore now and Lucas now isn't that relevant to the difference in the trades either. Lucas at the end of last season when the trade was made was a promising prospect and only just turned 22. He played 17 games and averaged over 18 touches a game... and there was talk he was a trade target for a number of other clubs.
I don't think this trade is close to a balanced one but you've both made your arguments. I've not mentioned the word veto and am happy to leave that decision to others. But in the way you take exception at your integrity being questioned with respect to this trade, I take exception at my trade being used in an effort to justify this one.
The two best components of this trade are Sam Reid who is young and shows a lot of promise and pick 9 would be a premium player most likely. Big drop off between pick 9 and 32.
Having said that Wright, Burbury, Moore and 46 for Reid I would not do.
At the end of this I think TW wins, but not by a huge margin, if he gave up his second round pick instead of third round pick Tutty would be in front.
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Do they both know each other? Don't like this if that is what was said!
PS: Tutty to win this league you have to really recruit potential premiums not junk players. You have taken a lot of risk on for a premium (I would say pick 9 would be) and a most likely potential premium in that trade, that being Sam Reid!
StAnselm and tenderwarrior have known each other for years and I don't think it's been an issue.
My understanding is that tenderwarrior and Tutty are brothers?
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