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Damages are not, of themselves, a cause of action
tell that to the 50 law firms who do it anyway. I lodge formal actions every week, a good percentage of them have dubious legal merit but you do it to get something for your client as there is always scope to negotiate and no litigation is without risk to either side.

Plenty of legal opinion saying Essendon didn't have action against ASADA, but there they were anyway and Hird is still continuing it.
 

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Yes, but you are talking about equality. Some teams got to play GWS twice, where as some got to play them once. Thus the point is essentially the same that some teams got a few extra free games than others.


Really, there are easy beats every year which is why the draft order is determined by where you finish, this circumstance will be determined by a penalty and throws the whole equal up system into chaos one solution ban the players for a year and treat them like a bottom club so the bottom clubs play them twice
 

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Really, there are easy beats every year which is why the draft order is determined by where you finish, this circumstance will be determined by a penalty and throws the whole equal up system into chaos one solution ban the players for a year and treat them like a bottom club so the bottom clubs play them twice
I would like to think that penalties are determined on the level of an offenders culpability rather than what is convenient for everyone else.
 

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Culpability is a word that i have had flowing through my head as well. I think culpability is going to be travelling north and south from the ground zero point of this legal mess.
 

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I would like to think that penalties are determined on the level of an offenders culpability rather than what is convenient for everyone else.

No question they will be, with the NRL team given soft penalties but they did co-operate then you could look at the two Australian Sprinters banned this year for two years for failing to show up for a couple of drug tested and never testing positive. I still think they will meet in the middle 12 months off for everyone.
 

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Yes, the likely cost to Essendon is going to be mind boggling. Will little feel guilty & personally bail out the club? If not Will the Afl? If not do we get a team from Tasmania? How will the true hird believers think then...
Apparently the payments for all the legals et al for Essendon at the moment have been paid for out of their insurance, but if a number of players are done for doping offences and then team / support staff as well, that could mean that they have to pay that all back as well. No wonder they had been fighting so hard to get it declared illegal.
 

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The main instigator of all of this s##t remains silent and hasn't been called to answer anything. DANK. When is this weasel gonna squeal?
Because how did the investigation start? With an ACC investigation into bikies and importation of peptides. That is how Dank got on the ACCs radar and then they found links of him and Cronulla and Essendon which the ACC then passed onto ASADA. No wonder he's keeping his mouth shut if his money comes from bikies.
 

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Because how did the investigation start? With an ACC investigation into bikies and importation of peptides. That is how Dank got on the ACCs radar and then they found links of him and Cronulla and Essendon which the ACC then passed onto ASADA. No wonder he's keeping his mouth shut if his money comes from bikies.
Has DANK been prosecuted for acquiring peptides by illegal means?
 

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Has DANK been prosecuted for acquiring peptides by illegal means?
I don't think drug laws have been broken.

Just that there is a bikie link. The police are interested in bikies and betting. Bikies get friendly with players, make them do something that would ruin them if it got out, then get them to influence outcomes. Particularly micro betting. The bikies can then launder dirty money through betting as wins are then clean money with a receipt.

I can only speculate why bikies would like a supply of peptides...... profits by selling to bodybuilders. .... use them themselves to bulk up...... but while dodgy I'm not sure Dank broke laws of the land.

He should however be found guilty of trafficking under the WADA code and get life bans from every WADA signatory sport.
 

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I don't think drug laws have been broken.

Just that there is a bikie link. The police are interested in bikies and betting. Bikies get friendly with players, make them do something that would ruin them if it got out, then get them to influence outcomes. Particularly micro betting. The bikies can then launder dirty money through betting as wins are then clean money with a receipt.

I can only speculate why bikies would like a supply of peptides...... profits by selling to bodybuilders. .... use them themselves to bulk up...... but while dodgy I'm not sure Dank broke laws of the land.

He should however be found guilty of trafficking under the WADA code and get life bans from every WADA signatory sport.
So it's purely conjecture that his money come from bikies. And this is where the problem lies. I'm in no way an expert but the epicentre of this has a ripple effect. Take all the legal argument aside and look at the facts. All the effects of this situation occurring are being focused and legally argued from the Essendon FC down. DANK is the key that makes it go up as well. I'm getting the feeling it's not only bikies that don't want that to happen.
 

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Has DANK been prosecuted for acquiring peptides by illegal means?
That investigation is still very much ongoing. He's one fish in a very big pond is my understanding.

But Dank has been banned for life from the NRL and ASADA asked to also have him banned for the AFL as well, but the AFL hasn't said if they have done so or not.
 

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That investigation is still very much ongoing. He's one fish in a very big pond is my understanding.

But Dank has been banned for life from the NRL and ASADA asked to also have him banned for the AFL as well, but the AFL hasn't said if they have done so or not.
That investigation better hurry up because the rest of this weasels doings seem to be running faster than he is.
 

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