2014 Non-Crows AFL Discussion

Status
Not open for further replies.

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Mike Smyth

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Oct 8, 2012
Posts
13,604
Likes
16,335
AFL Club
Adelaide
I think the future for gws is watching young talent walk out the door while being a haven for older players looking to make a few dollars as they are nearing the end of their career. I initially thought gws were going to be a much better team than gold coast but I've changed my mind.
 

AFC979810

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Nov 5, 2009
Posts
6,406
Likes
4,667
AFL Club
Adelaide
I think the future for gws is watching young talent walk out the door while being a haven for older players looking to make a few dollars as they are nearing the end of their career. I initially thought gws were going to be a much better team than gold coast but I've changed my mind.
There is still an awful lot of talent there. IMO they have done better than Gold Coast.

By focusing on bringing in so many young players through the draft it was inevitable that they would lose a lot of youngsters.

They are doing exactly the right moves now.

Their strategy was never to keep all of the top end draftees from 2011/2012 to dominate in 5 years. There is no way they could keep them all with regards to opportunities.

There strategy was to go as hard as they could in the draft and then give away expendable top end talent for future draft picks to ensure they were more balanced.

They have traded Jaksch, Wiley, O'rouke, Tyson, Taylor Adams for either top end draft picks (they have 4, 6, 7 this year) or really good established talent (Shaw, Griffen).

They will be more of a powerhouse than GC who went more of a win now. That side falls away fairly quickly when the GOAT goes missing.
 

Mattrox

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Mar 7, 2012
Posts
16,885
Likes
13,970
AFL Club
Adelaide
There is still an awful lot of talent there. IMO they have done better than Gold Coast.

By focusing on bringing in so many young players through the draft it was inevitable that they would lose a lot of youngsters.

They are doing exactly the right moves now.

Their strategy was never to keep all of the top end draftees from 2011/2012 to dominate in 5 years. There is no way they could keep them all with regards to opportunities.

There strategy was to go as hard as they could in the draft and then give away expendable top end talent for future draft picks to ensure they were more balanced.

They have traded Jaksch, Wiley, O'rouke, Tyson, Taylor Adams for either top end draft picks (they have 4, 6, 7 this year) or really good established talent (Shaw, Griffen).

They will be more of a powerhouse than GC who went more of a win now. That side falls away fairly quickly when the GOAT goes missing.
GWS's development has been poor. They do not resource it like other clubs. They simply have not put into place development staff, hence structures to maximize the talent. There was analysis of this on one if the footy shows and the comparision was telling. They also discussed Miles in particular.

Talent is only about half the equation.
 

dayton

Premiership Player
Joined
Apr 12, 2012
Posts
3,768
Likes
6,130
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Ricciardo, Red Sox
There is still an awful lot of talent there. IMO they have done better than Gold Coast.

By focusing on bringing in so many young players through the draft it was inevitable that they would lose a lot of youngsters.

They are doing exactly the right moves now.

Their strategy was never to keep all of the top end draftees from 2011/2012 to dominate in 5 years. There is no way they could keep them all with regards to opportunities.

There strategy was to go as hard as they could in the draft and then give away expendable top end talent for future draft picks to ensure they were more balanced.

They have traded Jaksch, Wiley, O'rouke, Tyson, Taylor Adams for either top end draft picks (they have 4, 6, 7 this year) or really good established talent (Shaw, Griffen).

They will be more of a powerhouse than GC who went more of a win now. That side falls away fairly quickly when the GOAT goes missing.
I agree. They draft really well and I haven't really rated the players who have left (Taylor Adams, Jaksch, O'Rourke, Wiley, Aylett, Edwards) but they still manage to get good value for them. Boyd was the exception but there are still big question marks over his head. I haven't seen anything at AFL level that's impressed me.

They've also recruited some great senior players in Davis, Ward, Shaw, Mumford, Griffen, Patfull. Imagine if they'd got Franklin as well.

The drafted talent in the team is scary (* - extremely scary):

Cameron* (AA, 3rd in the coleman)
Treloar*
Shiel*
Hoskin-Elliot*
Kelly*
Smith
Greene

Not to mention what they'll do with 4, 6 and 7 this year.

GWS's development has been poor. They do not resource it like other clubs. They simply have not put into place development staff, hence structures to maximize the talent. There was analysis of this on one if the footy shows and the comparision was telling. They also discussed Miles in particular.

Talent is only about half the equation.
Spot on. I think they compared them to the Hawks. Years of experience per development coaching teams. The difference was staggering.
 
Joined
Sep 6, 2008
Posts
1,354
Likes
2,282
AFL Club
Adelaide
The drafted talent in the team is scary (* - extremely scary):

Cameron* (AA, 3rd in the coleman)
Treloar*
Shiel*
Hoskin-Elliot*
Kelly*
Smith
Greene
Must say I've been extremely impressed with Toby Greene's game since his punishment over crutchesgate. Couldn't have responded any better. I can't help but notice him which is a lot different to a player who just racks up chip-scab possessions.
 

DJ75

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Aug 4, 2004
Posts
5,958
Likes
8,125
Location
on planet Crow
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
36ers

GROTTO

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Posts
36,567
Likes
36,819
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Could ASADA ban the Bomber players from September 2015 onwards? It would inflict a better blow to the Bombers and send a message loudly to all AFL players.

At the moment a lot of the players involved seem to be happy to accept a 6 week ban say as it really doesnt screw too badly with their season.
 

Bosley

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Mar 9, 2008
Posts
10,765
Likes
6,408
Location
Port Hedland
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Norwood, Adelaide United, QPR
Could ASADA ban the Bomber players from September 2015 onwards? It would inflict a better blow to the Bombers and send a message loudly to all AFL players.

At the moment a lot of the players involved seem to be happy to accept a 6 week ban say as it really doesnt screw too badly with their season.
It defies belief that this thing is still going on. It also defies belief that a summary of charges against each player requires an "individually tailored" 350 page book. The whole thing is a joke.

As Kramer said "Isn't there a statue of limitations?!"
 

GROTTO

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Posts
36,567
Likes
36,819
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It defies belief that this thing is still going on. It also defies belief that a summary of charges against each player requires an "individually tailored" 350 page book. The whole thing is a joke.

As Kramer said "Isn't there a statue of limitations?!"
I know, I still cant believe the saga that has taken place. I would like to see the player suspensions to take effect from September 2015 onwards.

It would be a fairly decent body blow by ASADA to those players. Most of them seem happy and content to have 6 week potential ban. The punishment is meant to be a deterrent to others as well as punishing the players involved.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Geoffa32

Hall of Famer
Joined
Aug 17, 2007
Posts
42,830
Likes
34,561
Location
Adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
The Autobots and Team America
The AFL or whoever better not back date the penalties.
If ASADA/AFL go easy on these players our sport's stance on drugs is a joke.

Given the penalties handed out to the VFL player and Amed Saad I would suggest systematic doping by a club for nearly a year (not 3-4 weeks like Cronulla) should see the penalties be the harshest ever seen in Australian sport.

If not, then we can no longer look down our noses and shake our fingers at those "naughty" cyclists or the Chinese/Eastern Europeans.



If any of these guys miss less games than Tippett did, then this code's priorities are a joke.
 

RePete

Club Legend
Joined
Jan 23, 2013
Posts
2,488
Likes
3,592
AFL Club
Adelaide
Go ask the Port flogs what they think about Wantfree's and syringe Ryder's potential ban. They claim there is no evidence and that we are dreaming and grabbing at straws thinking they will be banned.

Oh well guess they don't mind wasting their first 2 draft picks ;)
 

GROTTO

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Posts
36,567
Likes
36,819
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Go ask the Port flogs what they think about Wantfree's and syringe Ryder's potential ban. They claim there is no evidence and that we are dreaming and grabbing at straws thinking they will be banned.

Oh well guess they don't mind wasting their first 2 draft picks ;)
A 2 year ban would really stuff up a lot of these players. Lets not forget it means no association with the Club and they are not allowed to play in a lower league either.
 

GROTTO

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Posts
36,567
Likes
36,819
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If ASADA/AFL go easy on these players our sport's stance on drugs is a joke.

Given the penalties handed out to the VFL player and Amed Saad I would suggest systematic doping by a club for nearly a year (not 3-4 weeks like Cronulla) should see the penalties be the harshest ever seen in Australian sport.

If not, then we can no longer look down our noses and shake our fingers at those "naughty" cyclists or the Chinese/Eastern Europeans.

If any of these guys miss less games than Tippett did, then this code's priorities are a joke.
If they deliver a soft penalty, I cannot see why more players will not want to roll the dice and gamble.

Send a loud and clear message ASADA or GTFO.
 

Geoffa32

Hall of Famer
Joined
Aug 17, 2007
Posts
42,830
Likes
34,561
Location
Adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
The Autobots and Team America
Go ask the Port flogs what they think about Wantfree's and syringe Ryder's potential ban. They claim there is no evidence and that we are dreaming and grabbing at straws thinking they will be banned.

Oh well guess they don't mind wasting their first 2 draft picks ;)

Could not care less if it affects two of their players. In the case of Monfries I feel a bit for them as he was traded before this all broke. Ryder is a case of buyer beware.

This is bigger than petty club v club spats/trolling/rivalries. On a global scale the two biggest scourges in world sport are gambling (Match fixing) and drugs. Go easy on those who break the rules in these areas and your sport is a joke.
 

GROTTO

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Posts
36,567
Likes
36,819
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Could not care less if it affects two of their players. In the case of Monfries I feel a bit for them as he was traded before this all broke. Ryder is a case of buyer beware.

This is bigger than petty club v club spats/trolling/rivalries. On a global scale the two biggest scourges in world sport are gambling (Match fixing) and drugs. Go easy on those who break the rules in these areas and your sport is a joke.
Good post champ.

I agree with all of it.

Can you imagine a 2 year ban though>??? fk me it would scare every player in the AFL in a good way to do the right thing.

The other issue with a 2 year ban is that geez you would lose a lot of touch of not playing a competitive game for so long and also not having the training facilities either to use.

Might even see them for the next two years at Next Generation.:p
 

GROTTO

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Posts
36,567
Likes
36,819
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If ASADA/AFL go easy on these players our sport's stance on drugs is a joke.

Given the penalties handed out to the VFL player and Amed Saad I would suggest systematic doping by a club for nearly a year (not 3-4 weeks like Cronulla) should see the penalties be the harshest ever seen in Australian sport.

If not, then we can no longer look down our noses and shake our fingers at those "naughty" cyclists or the Chinese/Eastern Europeans.



If any of these guys miss less games than Tippett did, then this code's priorities are a joke.
I have quoted you twice. But on reflection this is post of the day. :thumbsu:
 
Joined
May 21, 2001
Posts
49,519
Likes
38,509
Location
Floating around the Universe
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Adelaide Crows
Could ASADA ban the Bomber players from September 2015 onwards? It would inflict a better blow to the Bombers and send a message loudly to all AFL players.

At the moment a lot of the players involved seem to be happy to accept a 6 week ban say as it really doesnt screw too badly with their season.
There is no chance of the players being offered anywhere near a 6 week ban! They will be banned for a very ling time - probably 1 year. Asada are pissed with dons attitude & are not going to give a pathetically light penalty!
 

GROTTO

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Posts
36,567
Likes
36,819
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is no chance of the players being offered anywhere near a 6 week ban! They will be banned for a very ling time - probably 1 year. Asada are pissed with dons attitude & are not going to give a pathetically light penalty!
FFS, I would be really shitty if ASADA delivers a real soft cock penalty. Essendon had systematically taken an illegal advantage to get ahead of other competing teams, if ASADA have the balls, as you stated, a 1 year penalty would be fair but still light and lucky.

A 2 year ban would end a few careers.
 

NikkiNoo

Premium Platinum
Joined
Feb 3, 2004
Posts
17,476
Likes
22,977
Location
in a happy place
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
panthers, ukraine & broncos
FFS, I would be really shitty if ASADA delivers a real soft cock penalty. Essendon had systematically taken an illegal advantage to get ahead of other competing teams, if ASADA have the balls, as you stated, a 1 year penalty would be fair but still light and lucky.

A 2 year ban would end a few careers.
It's not ASADA that gives the penalty, it is the AFL Tribunal that will. ASADA will be sitting in on the Tribunal though for this time which is rare. If they don't like the penalty that is given by the Tribunal, they can appeal to CAS etc.
 
Joined
May 21, 2001
Posts
49,519
Likes
38,509
Location
Floating around the Universe
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Adelaide Crows
It's not ASADA that gives the penalty, it is the AFL Tribunal that will. ASADA will be sitting in on the Tribunal though for this time which is rare. If they don't like the penalty that is given by the Tribunal, they can appeal to CAS etc.
Very true but I reckon asada will make it clear to the Afl what minimum penalty they won't appeal ;)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom