Draft Review 2014 - Redo the 2014 AFL Draft

[Hannabal]

So pressure acts not exactly a concrete metric.

How can something not tangible be measured ?

They're concrete alright and measured every game.

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"Each disposal has pressure assigned to it, ranging from no pressure for a set position to closing, corralling, chasing or physical pressure. A pressure act is when a player has applied either closing, corralling, chasing or physical pressure."

"Weighted sum of pressure acts. Under the Champion Data pressure point scoring system physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing pressure acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing pressure acts are worth 1.50 points, and corralling pressure acts which are worth 1.20 points."

Herald Sun
June 16, 2017 12:01pm

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Physical pressure acts obviously include tackles, smothers, spoils, etc.

Forward pressure has never been more important in Australian Rules football.

 

[Ambrosia]

How can something not tangible be measured ?

They're concrete alright and measured every game.

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"Each disposal has pressure assigned to it, ranging from no pressure for a set position to closing, corralling, chasing or physical pressure. A pressure act is when a player has applied either closing, corralling, chasing or physical pressure."

"Weighted sum of pressure acts. Under the Champion Data pressure point scoring system physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing pressure acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing pressure acts are worth 1.50 points, and corralling pressure acts which are worth 1.20 points."

Herald Sun
June 16, 2017 12:01pm

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Physical pressure acts obviously include tackles, smothers, spoils, etc.

Forward pressure has never been more important in Australian Rules football.

How do you read that and think it could possibly be concrete and taken accurately.

 

[Hannabal]

How do you read that and think it could possibly be concrete and taken accurately.

How can you read that and think they can't ? They already are.

But by all means contact Champion Data and set them straight.

Also, what point are trying to make ?

 

[Prochard123]

Strongly disagree on the bolded and again this is down the line not for now.

Ok, I obviously don't know as much about Langford as you, so maybe you're correctly predicting a breakout here.

But wanna explain to me what has Lever and Petracca got over Andrews? Both has had alot of exposure, and Andrews is literally everything Lever was touted to become. Except Andrews is already there and playing consistently. Even Lever's only strength, that is his intercepting ability will look to be quite average when Brisbane releases Andrews to a more offensive role.

If every player in the comp was shuffled into a talent pool and drafted, Andrews would be top 30, Lever barely stay in top 70.

 

[Haychh]

How can something not tangible be measured ?

They're concrete alright and measured every game.

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"Each disposal has pressure assigned to it, ranging from no pressure for a set position to closing, corralling, chasing or physical pressure. A pressure act is when a player has applied either closing, corralling, chasing or physical pressure."

"Weighted sum of pressure acts. Under the Champion Data pressure point scoring system physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing pressure acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing pressure acts are worth 1.50 points, and corralling pressure acts which are worth 1.20 points."

Herald Sun
June 16, 2017 12:01pm

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Physical pressure acts obviously include tackles, smothers, spoils, etc.

Forward pressure has never been more important in Australian Rules football.

So do you have anything else to support your argument? Because right now it seems like you’re really clinging onto the fact this guy is 6th best in the league for a stat that reeks of just a bunch of numbers Champion data throw our from time to time when they run out of things to count.

 

[Ambrosia]

How can you read that and think they can't ? They already are.

But by all means contact Champion Data and set them straight.

Also, what point are trying to make ?

I take it you haven't. Champion Data themselves freely admit that the pressure acts stat has issues.

I was just confirming that you were just talking about pressure acts when you said he's a top 6 pressure forward in the comp not some other metric.

 

[Hannabal]

I take it you haven't. Champion Data themselves freely admit that the pressure acts stat has issues.

I was just confirming that you were just talking about pressure acts when you said he's a top 6 pressure forward in the comp not some other metric.

I haven't what ?

Seeing CD apparently "freely admit" collecting pressure acts stats is problematic please link an article referencing same ? Thanks.

And to your final sentence, yes, I was confirming what I actually said. Do you often ask people to confirm unambiguous comments ?

 

[Ambrosia]

I haven't what ?

Seeing CD apparently "freely admit" collecting pressure acts stats is problematic please link an article referencing same ? Thanks.

And to your final sentence, yes, I was confirming what I actually said. Do you often ask people to confirm unambiguous comments ?

C'mon man I thought you were prick not dumb. You don't see how there could be massive grey area in a stat that is trying to track the impact of coralling and chasing? When is a chase not a chase where do you draw the line?

 

[Hannabal]

C'mon man I thought you were prick not dumb. You don't see how there could be massive grey area in a stat that is trying to track the impact of coralling and chasing? When is a chase not a chase where do you draw the line?

Just link me with Champion Data "freely admitting" their issues with pressure acts stats. It shouldn't be hard if they "freely admit" it.

Thanks

 

[Ambrosia]

Just link me with Champion Data "freely admitting" their issues with pressure acts stats. It shouldn't be hard if they "freely admit" it.

Thanks

Saw it on their Twitter they working to improve it. Feel free to be sceptical.

 

[Hannabal]

Saw it on their Twitter they working to improve it. Feel free to be sceptical.

Been following them on twitter for years and I've never seen this "freely admitted".

Anyway, I'll leave you to discuss stats that don't suit your Essendon narratives. Strange fruit.

 

[Haychh]

This is the official player ratings from Champion Data.... What are the chances???

 

[Wild Bill]

Just a heads up, enagaging in a discussion with Bill on anything Essendon is just a precursor to banging your head against a wall. Troll everytime.

So I disagree that Langford will break out and become a gun in 2019 I’m trolling?

Well we will know in 10 months time. Big chance my “troll” is in fact 100% correct.

 

[Andronicus]

So I disagree that Langford will break out and become a gun in 2019 I’m trolling?

Well we will know in 10 months time. Big chance my “troll” is in fact 100% correct.

Oh. You think I'm basing my opinion on a single post do you?

Also, it was more aimed at your oh so subtle crack at Myers.

What percentage of your posts here are about Essendon?

 

[Wild Bill]

Oh. You think I'm basing my opinion on a single post do you?

Also, it was more aimed at your oh so subtle crack at Myers.

What percentage of your posts here are about Essendon?

5%. I see two similar players. Name a player Langford is more like than Myers?

Their 4th year stats are extremely similar.

 

[Ambrosia]

5%. I see two similar players. Name a player Langford is more like than Myers?

Their 4th year stats are extremely similar.

Myers was playing HBF in his 4th year. Raw kicks and handballs may be similar but that'd be about it.

Just off the top of my head Jake Melksham is probably more similar in the way he struggled to find his best position for a big portion of his career.

 

[Andronicus]

5%. I see two similar players. Name a player Langford is more like than Myers?

Their 4th year stats are extremely similar.

Love to see stats on where you get your 5% from.

For a North supporter, you spend a disturbingly high amount of time worrying over all things Essendon.

 

[Wild Bill]

Love to see stats on where you get your 5% from.

For a North supporter, you spend a disturbingly high amount of time worrying over all things Essendon.

Easy - look at my last 100 posts. 5 were about ess.

5% is a disturbingly high amount?

 

[Zoom]

For a guy who supports the most vanilla list in the AFL, Wild Bill sure does troll a lot of players.

 

[Andronicus]

Easy - look at my last 100 posts. 5 were about ess.

5% is a disturbingly high amount?

100 posts is a small sample size.

I'm sure the point resonates with you.

 

[Donakebab]

5%. I see two similar players. Name a player Langford is more like than Myers?

Their 4th year stats are extremely similar.

Jobe Watson.

Same size, same shape, both maligned players who started as forwards but moulded into midfielders. Jobe the better solid extractor, Langford better kick.

 

[Wild Bill]

Jobe Watson.

Same size, same shape, both maligned players who started as forwards but moulded into midfielders. Jobe the better solid extractor, Langford better kick.

Watson averaged 29 touches at his peak. I can’t see Langford becoming a 29 touch mid. But this can be revisited down the track.

 

[Andronicus]

Watson averaged 29 touches at his peak. I can’t see Langford becoming a 29 touch mid. But this can be revisited down the track.

I am certain you were very confident Jobe would amount to nothing at the same stage of his career.

Assuming you were as Essendoncentric back then as you are now.

 

[Wild Bill]

I am certain you were very confident Jobe would amount to nothing at the same stage of his career.

Assuming you were as Essendoncentric back then as you are now.

Where did I post Langford would amount to nothing? Unless you think Myers in nothing you’re making things up.

 

[Wild Bill]

Paul Ahern getting through his 1st pre season. Could be a big mover in 2019 - his 37 touches v the premiers last year is glimpse of why he went so early. Now he reminds me of Watson but a better decision maker.