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what we give up isn't the issue for Cooney. He is worth a third or fourth rounder every day of the week. However, he is reported to be on 500k at the dogs. I certainly am against paying him anything near that. Not worth a gamble at anything more than 350k imo.
It was reported earlier that he is on 400k at the dogs and we are offering him less but on a 2 year deal. If this is true and he only costs around 300k I can't see any reason why we wouldn't
 

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My problem is that Cooney/Varcoe takes up a spot on the list which could be used for a new young player. I would rather we added new blood instead of yesterdays men.
Memories of the Shane Harvey, Hay trades are still very fresh. History being repeated>
We could rebrand our club as the John Paul Young's. Take a look at me now I am yesterday's hero.

To be honest I think it is a good move.

As much as people are saying Levi is motivated by a payday I think some of our recent or proposed pickups are motivated by time and not $.

Dal Santo, Cooney, Waite, Higgins have performed in finals and much like Petrie, Harvey, Wells time is running out.

North are using this like the 10 year rule but instead of massive bundles of cash for superstars we are giving reasonable dollars to players in the right frame of mind.

Unlike many clubs who are rabbles ATM NMFC no matter what we say are having a crack over the next 2 years.

Last time I looked we had 20 players under 25 and are using our first 3 picks on youth.

At worst we will have an entertaining ride for 2 years and reload when guys like Atley have just turned 24 with 130 games under their belts.
 

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So if we get Cooney, Players about 30 age will be Firrito, Grima, Harvey, NDS, Waite, Petrie, Cooney.
We have players coming through in Garner, Wood, Harper, Dumont, Delaney. As long as they use their first 3- 4 round picks in the draft for the next 2 years, and rookie up to cover loss of older players.
We should have a crack at trying win a premiership in the next 2 years with these older players.
 

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Draft position is like your VCE score.

Sure it looks impressive on a resume for one or two years, but it's the blokes that work the hardest that get the best jobs.

If we grow a successful and competitive culture, it won't matter what picks we have. They'll grow into success, see what's required and have to break into the team.
 

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The way I see it, we believe we have holes and these guys are there to fix them:

Higgins - class across HF and mid
Waite - marking power forward
Cooney - Midfield run and HF class
Varcoe - HB runner to free up Atley and Mc Donald

Now all are valid reasons but I do see some issues structurally. If you add Higgins and Cooney to the likes of Thomas, Boomer and Wells, our forward line resembles more Port Adelaide than Sydney, particularly if we add part time forward in Z and Cunners or my preference Wood. That would be built around 2 main forwards and several smaller dangerous forwards.

But that flies in the face of the Waite trade. Now we have 5 or 6 tall forward options to consider and potentially having 4 taller options. That leaves scarce room to add the likes of Higgins and Cooney to the mix.

I can see Turner being kept on the Rookie for the first half of the season, Bastinac being pushed out along with Greenwood and Brown or Black being replaced by Waite. So in essence, all 4 can fit. But that doesn't leave any room for organic growth and I think Turner, Wood and Dumont in particular will be bashing doors down.

Perhaps the Roos have a flexible game plan developing that will adapt to the best performing because the targeting of Higgins, Varcoe and Cooney tells me they think we lack enough run or class to compete with the Hawks and Port moving forward. And lets be honest, other than Harper, we have no run outside the 22 and Dumont is the only true coalface mid.
 

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We could rebrand our club as the John Paul Young's. Take a look at me now I am yesterday's hero.

To be honest I think it is a good move.

As much as people are saying Levi is motivated by a payday I think some of our recent or proposed pickups are motivated by time and not $.

Dal Santo, Cooney, Waite, Higgins have performed in finals and much like Petrie, Harvey, Wells time is running out.

North are using this like the 10 year rule but instead of massive bundles of cash for superstars we are giving reasonable dollars to players in the right frame of mind.

Unlike many clubs who are rabbles ATM NMFC no matter what we say are having a crack over the next 2 years.

Last time I looked we had 20 players under 25 and are using our first 3 picks on youth.

At worst we will have an entertaining ride for 2 years and reload when guys like Atley have just turned 24 with 130 games under their belts.
Top post. As another poster said, we have 2 years of JB left?, 2 years of Tassie, 2 years of Scott, 2 years for some older players ect ect.

Many neutrals will say we cant win the flag, but im glad we're not going to die wondering. But at the very least it'll be entertaining as you say which should lead to solid off field results which could see us close to debt free and pushing 50,000 members. Even with the older players retiring we wont need a total rebuild like StKilda, WB, Melb - we'll just need a reload.
 
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That was Porplyzia. Petrenko is only 24, which surprised me a bit because it feels like he's been around for a long time.
Just to change tac a bit.

With Petrenko being delisted I think he is a better option than Nahas, whats everyone else's view? Derick Wanganeen has also been delisted by Hawthorn who also has shown quite a bit of promise. These guys have age on their side and there is nothing like a player wanting to prove that he can make it in the AFL. I think we should seriously look at these 2 kids, we could potentially get them for almost nothing.
 

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Just to change tac a bit.

With Petrenko being delisted I think he is a better option than Nahas, whats everyone else's view? Derick Wanganeen has also been delisted by Hawthorn who also has shown quite a bit of promise. These guys have age on their side and there is nothing like a player wanting to prove that he can make it in the AFL. I think we should seriously look at these 2 kids, we could potentially get them for almost nothing.
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We could have a fwd line of:

HF: Higgins, Waite, Cooney
FF: Thomas, Petrie, Black

With the likes of Harvey, Ziebell, Cunnington, Wells rotating with Higgins and Cooney for stints inside F50, it looks like it could wreak some havoc, especially now on the turnover which hasn't always been the case with us. Turner will continue to develop in the two's and I don't see a problem with this as he is still the youngest in the comp before all the new kids come in, and still needs to work on plenty of areas in his game. Brown, don't actually want him out but it creates pretty good competition for spots amongst the other tall forwards, so the least performing one should miss out.

So with the 3 inclusions (if Cooney comes in/don't really want Varcoe) it looks like this to me:

FB: Firrito, Thompson, Hansen
HB: McDonald, Grima, Wright
C: Atley, Cunnington, Wells
HF: Higgins, Waite, Cooney
FF: Thomas, Petrie, Black

Foll: Goldstein, Swallow, Ziebell

IC: Harvey, Dal Santo, Gibson, Macmillan

There just looks like more class in that team than we have had for a long time. There's 'class' outweighing 'average' skills on almost every line there. I don't know why some of you were/are against bringing in skillful players as it will make a big difference to our side. We'll get to supplement our core 16 or so players with more highly skilled players. Just from the Sydney PF, Higgins replaces Jacobs, Cooney replaces a Turner, Waite replaces a Brown or Black who had 2 disposals and 2 tackles that night, and 1 goal in the last 5 weeks of our season (yes he was injured for most of the season, and he played a higher role up-field, but this is exactly the benefit we will reap when we can replace him for a guy like Waite when Blacky is struggling).

As for the calls that the young'uns we have that might have their development stymied, lets look at the younger players who miss out on a spot in the 22:

Bastinac: Maybe this will actually force him to pull his finger out and work his butt off to get back into the side. This is my opinion only of course but to me he was extremely lucky to play all but one game for us this year. This could be the catalyst that pushes him to be that player we thought he could develop into after his pretty good debut season.

McKenzie: Has to show continuing physicality and consistency in the two's first. Shouldn't just be allowed to come into the 22 because of his left boot. Has to earn it, should work for it and thus steadily develop and improve in the seconds.

Harper/Garner: Like McKenzie, have to show that they can consistently perform at VFL level first. Once their output is of an adequate level that's required of Brad and others involved in selection, I'm sure we'll see them replace a Cooney/Higgins. Which is how it should be. They shouldn't have to come in and develop in the ones like how the likes of Bastinac/Cunners/Ziebell etc. did when they were thrown into the deep end 4-5 years ago because we had nobody else.

Jacobs: He will go back and show us he's too good for the VFL and I feel he needs an extended run in the ones to develop confidence and get the best out of himself. He's one that I can see being in and out of the side and his develop could be stunted. But he'll replace whichever one of the HB/Mids that isn't performing which will only make our side stronger.

Dumont: Like Jacobs above, I feel next year he'll show that he's way too good for the VFL. But he doesn't need the full 26 games next season, nor will he get it. Through form and inevitable injury, he should get his chance and depending on how well he does, he will get around about the amount of games he deserves. Here's hoping anyway.

Wood: Is probably the one (with Jacobs) that is most difficult to find a spot in the 22 for. Again he'll most likely do very well next season in the VFL and thus require some AFL games to develop further. Question is whether we can play the three talls AND Wood. If not, he would probably be behind all of the tall forwards for a spot in the 22, depending on form of course, and would find it tough to get a gig.

All in all, it's tough. For one, I can see the inclusion of players not really affecting or actually improving the development of some of our own (Basti, McKenzie, Harper, Garner). But for Jacobs and Wood, games may be taken from them and yes it might hinder their development. Dumont not so much as I feel he'll get a handful of games which will be enough for him being a second year player. In the end though, I do believe it makes us a stronger, highly skilled (how often have we been able to say that or even be close to thinking it this past decade?), and possibly formidable unit if most of the important core players stay on the park. Even if we don't get Cooney, I am bloody excited not only for 2015, but several years beyond because we have both utilised the FA well and recruited well and will continue to invest in recruitment.
 
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We could have a fwd line of:

HF: Higgins, Waite, Cooney
FF: Thomas, Petrie, Black

With the likes of Harvey, Ziebell, Cunnington, Wells rotating with Higgins and Cooney for stints inside F50, it looks like it could wreak some havoc, especially now on the turnover which hasn't always been the case with us. Turner will continue to develop in the two's and I don't see a problem with this as he is still the youngest in the comp before all the new kids come in, and still needs to work on plenty of areas in his game. Brown, don't actually want him out but it creates pretty good competition for spots amongst the other tall forwards, so the least performing one should miss out.

So with the 3 inclusions (if Cooney comes in/don't really want Varcoe) it looks like this to me:

FB: Firrito, Thompson, Hansen
HB: McDonald, Grima, Wright
C: Atley, Cunnington, Wells
HF: Higgins, Waite, Cooney
FF: Thomas, Petrie, Black

Foll: Goldstein, Swallow, Ziebell

IC: Harvey, Dal Santo, Gibson, Macmillan

There just looks like more class in that team than we have had for a long time. There's 'class' outweighing 'average' skills on almost every line there. I don't know why some of you were/are against bringing in skillful players as it will make a big difference to our side. We'll get to supplement our core 16 or so players with more highly skilled players. Just from the Sydney PF, Higgins replaces Jacobs, Cooney replaces a Turner, Waite replaces a Brown or Black who had 2 disposals and 2 tackles that night, and 1 goal in the last 5 weeks of our season (yes he was injured for most of the season, and he played a higher role up-field, but this is exactly the benefit we will reap when we can replace him for a guy like Waite when Blacky is struggling).

As for the calls that the young'uns we have that might have their development stymied, lets look at the younger players who miss out on a spot in the 22:

Bastinac: Maybe this will actually force him to pull his finger out and work his butt off to get back into the side. This is my opinion only of course but to me he was extremely lucky to play all but one game for us this year. This could be the catalyst that pushes him to be that player we thought he could develop into after his pretty good debut season.

McKenzie: Has to show continuing physicality and consistency in the two's first. Shouldn't just be allowed to come into the 22 because of his left boot. Has to earn it, should work for it and thus steadily develop and improve in the seconds.

Harper/Garner: Like McKenzie, have to show that they can consistently perform at VFL level first. Once their output is of an adequate level that's required of Brad and others involved in selection, I'm sure we'll see them replace a Cooney/Higgins. Which is how it should be. They shouldn't have to come in and develop in the ones like how the likes of Bastinac/Cunners/Ziebell etc. did when they were thrown into the deep end 4-5 years ago because we had nobody else.

Jacobs: He will go back and show us he's too good for the VFL and I feel he needs an extended run in the ones to develop confidence and get the best out of himself. He's one that I can see being in and out of the side and his develop could be stunted. But he'll replace whichever one of the HB/Mids that isn't performing which will only make our side stronger.

Dumont: Like Jacobs above, I feel next year he'll show that he's way too good for the VFL. But he doesn't need the full 26 games next season, nor will he get it. Through form and inevitable injury, he should get his chance and depending on how well he does, he will get around about the amount of games he deserves. Here's hoping anyway.

Wood: Is probably the one (with Jacobs) that is most difficult to find a spot in the 22 for. Again he'll most likely do very well next season in the VFL and thus require some AFL games to develop further. Question is whether we can play the three talls AND Wood. If not, he would probably be behind all of the tall forwards for a spot in the 22, depending on form of course, and would find it tough to get a gig.

All in all, it's tough. For one, I can see the inclusion of players not really affecting or actually improving the development of some of our own (Basti, McKenzie, Harper, Garner). But for Jacobs and Wood, games may be taken from them and yes it might hinder their development. Dumont not so much as I feel he'll get a handful of games which will be enough for him being a second year player. In the end though, I do believe it makes us a stronger, highly skilled (how often have we been able to say that or even be close to thinking it this past decade?), and possibly formidable unit if most of the important core players stay on the park. Even if we don't get Cooney, I am bloody excited not only for 2015, but several years beyond, and that is a testament to the management of our list.
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don't know about you guys, but i'm loving this trade period, something different everyday, last year was a serious yawn fest this year i'm actually interested...shocks left and right....
 

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Great write-up rooboy335. Only thing I disagree with is the exclusion of Turner. Already shown that he can play at a top level and almost all of our best games this year included a forward whose first priority was to create pressure (being him or Robbie Nahas). That forward line will kick a lot of goals but if it's not marked it will get taken out too easily too often.
 

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Fairly in depth breakdown, however you've basically neglected to mention what happens to Brown
Didn't mean for it to go on for that long but somewhere in there I did mention, albeit briefly, that Brown should replace the most out of form tall forward out of Waite, Black, Petrie. If they're all performing well, then the fourth tall would have to await their turn and make sure they're performing in the two's. If that's Brown or Black, it might not be the best scenario for them but Waite and Petrie only have 2 or so years on the list, so by the time they are gone hopefully it'll just be a case of handing over the reins and a comfortable transition. Obviously that fourth tall won't be in the VFL that whole time and more in and out of the best 22.
 

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Top post. As another poster said, we have 2 years of JB left?, 2 years of Tassie, 2 years of Scott, 2 years for some older players ect ect.

Many neutrals will say we cant win the flag, but im glad we're not going to die wondering. But at the very least it'll be entertaining as you say which should lead to solid off field results which could see us close to debt free and pushing 50,000 members. Even with the older players retiring we wont need a total rebuild like StKilda, WB, Melb - we'll just need a reload.
We have not sold the farm for a Buddy but have paid it down and got some more experienced hands on deck expecting a bumper harvest.

Those hands may pay for themselves as you say if the harvest ends up in march towards 50k or something in September or erasing the 2.05 M current debt or all of the above.

On field the club would have a solid and very even top 30 where like a Hawthorn you do not notice a change in output from week to week covering injuries, individual form and suspension. And the best teams also rest players or give them an extra week for niggles and injury recovery.

Thus far Brayshaw has said he wanted to follow the Hawthorn model. We seem to be doing this with our list as well as Hobart.

And in 2 years we might get that big fish or 2 or 3 more free agents.

The only danger I see is we have an incredible run with injuries and the MRP and lose a Dumont or a Wood who are starved still at the kids table.
 
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Fairly in depth breakdown, however you've basically neglected to mention what happens to Brown
Thought he covered Brown quite well.

Personally I think Brown will be competing for Blacks position although Brown could be competing with Petrie and Waite as well which is a good thing for the team especially if injury strikes..
 

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We could have a fwd line of:

HF: Higgins, Waite, Cooney
FF: Thomas, Petrie, Black

With the likes of Harvey, Ziebell, Cunnington, Wells rotating with Higgins and Cooney for stints inside F50, it looks like it could wreak some havoc, especially now on the turnover which hasn't always been the case with us. Turner will continue to develop in the two's and I don't see a problem with this as he is still the youngest in the comp before all the new kids come in, and still needs to work on plenty of areas in his game. Brown, don't actually want him out but it creates pretty good competition for spots amongst the other tall forwards, so the least performing one should miss out.

So with the 3 inclusions (if Cooney comes in/don't really want Varcoe) it looks like this to me:

FB: Firrito, Thompson, Hansen
HB: McDonald, Grima, Wright
C: Atley, Cunnington, Wells
HF: Higgins, Waite, Cooney
FF: Thomas, Petrie, Black

Foll: Goldstein, Swallow, Ziebell

IC: Harvey, Dal Santo, Gibson, Macmillan

There just looks like more class in that team than we have had for a long time. There's 'class' outweighing 'average' skills on almost every line there. I don't know why some of you were/are against bringing in skillful players as it will make a big difference to our side. We'll get to supplement our core 16 or so players with more highly skilled players. Just from the Sydney PF, Higgins replaces Jacobs, Cooney replaces a Turner, Waite replaces a Brown or Black who had 2 disposals and 2 tackles that night, and 1 goal in the last 5 weeks of our season (yes he was injured for most of the season, and he played a higher role up-field, but this is exactly the benefit we will reap when we can replace him for a guy like Waite when Blacky is struggling).

As for the calls that the young'uns we have that might have their development stymied, lets look at the younger players who miss out on a spot in the 22:

Bastinac: Maybe this will actually force him to pull his finger out and work his butt off to get back into the side. This is my opinion only of course but to me he was extremely lucky to play all but one game for us this year. This could be the catalyst that pushes him to be that player we thought he could develop into after his pretty good debut season.

McKenzie: Has to show continuing physicality and consistency in the two's first. Shouldn't just be allowed to come into the 22 because of his left boot. Has to earn it, should work for it and thus steadily develop and improve in the seconds.

Harper/Garner: Like McKenzie, have to show that they can consistently perform at VFL level first. Once their output is of an adequate level that's required of Brad and others involved in selection, I'm sure we'll see them replace a Cooney/Higgins. Which is how it should be. They shouldn't have to come in and develop in the ones like how the likes of Bastinac/Cunners/Ziebell etc. did when they were thrown into the deep end 4-5 years ago because we had nobody else.

Jacobs: He will go back and show us he's too good for the VFL and I feel he needs an extended run in the ones to develop confidence and get the best out of himself. He's one that I can see being in and out of the side and his develop could be stunted. But he'll replace whichever one of the HB/Mids that isn't performing which will only make our side stronger.

Dumont: Like Jacobs above, I feel next year he'll show that he's way too good for the VFL. But he doesn't need the full 26 games next season, nor will he get it. Through form and inevitable injury, he should get his chance and depending on how well he does, he will get around about the amount of games he deserves. Here's hoping anyway.

Wood: Is probably the one (with Jacobs) that is most difficult to find a spot in the 22 for. Again he'll most likely do very well next season in the VFL and thus require some AFL games to develop further. Question is whether we can play the three talls AND Wood. If not, he would probably be behind all of the tall forwards for a spot in the 22, depending on form of course, and would find it tough to get a gig.

All in all, it's tough. For one, I can see the inclusion of players not really affecting or actually improving the development of some of our own (Basti, McKenzie, Harper, Garner). But for Jacobs and Wood, games may be taken from them and yes it might hinder their development. Dumont not so much as I feel he'll get a handful of games which will be enough for him being a second year player. In the end though, I do believe it makes us a stronger, highly skilled (how often have we been able to say that or even be close to thinking it this past decade?), and possibly formidable unit if most of the important core players stay on the park. Even if we don't get Cooney, I am bloody excited not only for 2015, but several years beyond because we have both utilised the FA well and recruited well and will continue to invest in recruitment.
Wow. Needed more than just a like ;) great work!
 
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I heard Kyle Cheney is up for trade, undersize key defender who is in the same mould as Josh Gibson and showed he is quite a good defender when injury struck Hawthorn in recent times.
 
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don't know about you guys, but i'm loving this trade period, something different everyday, last year was a serious yawn fest this year i'm actually interested...shocks left and right....
Agree, especially when I'm not into racing, A-league or 3rd string cricket. In fact I think the AFL lengthening trade week is a ploy to capture AFL attention and headlines well beyond the GF. Might be 4 weeks next year!
 
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