List Mgmt. 2015 AFL Draft - what type of players should we be looking at & who do we take? (Poll added)

Who would you select with our first round pick?

  • Joshua Schache (VIC – KPF)

    Votes: 57 12.8%
  • Jacob Weitering (VIC – KPD)

    Votes: 349 78.3%
  • Aaron Francis (SA – DEF/FWD)

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Charlie Curnow (VIC – KPF/MID)

    Votes: 9 2.0%
  • Kieran Collins (VIC – KPD)

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Ryan Clarke (VIC – MID/FWD)

    Votes: 7 1.6%
  • Darcy Parish (VIC – MID/DEF)

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 1.3%

  • Total voters
    446
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Here's what I think we'll draft. Did a bit of a Phantom to look at what other clubs will be after and thus, who'll still be around when out picks are called out.

1. Jacob Weitering - Key Defender
8. Jade Gresham - Inside Mid
11. Clayton Oliver - Mid
19. Harry McKay - Key Forward / Ruck
F/S. SOSOS - Key Forward

Would really love a Francis, Curnow or Weiderman to slide, but I don't think they will get to us unfortunately. Other players such as Balic and Milera seem a bit too "icing on the cake" types. I really think we need to go for gut running beasts that love the contest and get their hands dirty. Skills and leadership should be massive priorities.
8 seems high for Gresham but if the other boys don't slide, I'm in. Am hoping to get him with 11 or 19.

I'm so with you on Balic & Milera, exactly what I've been thinking. We just got rid of Menzel & Yarran, we need good, hard nosed footballers ATM. Preferably with elite foot skills. The icing can come in 2-3 years.

As long as we pick up 1 highly rated KPF to develop. McKay sounds good.

Also 2 good mids. Any 2 of Gresham, Oliver or Mathieson would be my choice.
 

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Knightmare on Oliver:
Aggression – Oliver has a real aggression to him. When he bumps you, tackles you or charges at the ball with the intent to win it, he is going in hard and you’ll feel it. He’ll willingly hurt guys going after the ball. It’s just the way he is.

Would love a couple of midfielders like this with no bell & robbo
 

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8 seems high for Gresham but if the other boys don't slide, I'm in. Am hoping to get him with 11 or 19.

I'm so with you on Balic & Milera, exactly what I've been thinking. We just got rid of Menzel & Yarran, we need good, hard nosed footballers ATM. Preferably with elite foot skills. The icing can come in 2-3 years.

As long as we pick up 1 highly rated KPF to develop. McKay sounds good.

Also 2 good mids. Any 2 of Gresham, Oliver or Mathieson would be my choice.
Agree - reckon we pinch JW at 1 obvz. Then a key tall slider at 8 (Weids or Curnow) or McKay at 19 sandwiched between two mids in Gresham, Oliver or Mathieson.

Excited bout the draft - may make effort to watch it for once.
 

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I want Ryan Clark at 11 or 19. Reminds me a bit of Luke Parker but with more acceleration. Two way runner with pace, disposal can be a bit off but can be improved. Kicks goals
Which may be one good reason, he may be a bolter.
Would be very happy with him at #11..............at this stage, at least.
Not huge on Mathieson though, who has at times this year been touted as very high end potential.
 

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Knightmare on Oliver:
Aggression – Oliver has a real aggression to him. When he bumps you, tackles you or charges at the ball with the intent to win it, he is going in hard and you’ll feel it. He’ll willingly hurt guys going after the ball. It’s just the way he is.

Would love a couple of midfielders like this with no bell & robbo
You may join me on the Clayton Oliver Bandwagon, but spots are filling up fast. I'm driving.
 

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For those trying to wrap their heads around the Academy/Father-Son system, here's a little something to mull over.

Mills – bid at Pick 3 – costs Sydney 1787 points after the discount.
Sydney have Picks 33, 36, 37, 44, 54 and 69.
Pick 33 (563 points) becomes Pick 3, pushing everyone between 3 and 32 back one spot.
Deficit points (1224) consume picks 36 and 37, and move pick 44 back to pick 62.
Everyone between 38 and 63 move up two spots, and picks 64 onwards move up 1 spot.

Rinse and repeat for Hopper, Kennedy, Keays, Hipwood and maybe Dunkley.

The interesting part of this is that an early bid for Mills actually pushes GWS’s pick 10 back to pick 11, decreasing it’s value by 66 points.

It’s much smarter for clubs to hoard late picks, because they’re likely to move UP the draft as multiple picks are consumed for early bids, rather than having early picks moved back by late picks dropping in.

Our picks 59 and 60 could quite conceivably move up to the early 50’s, because there are multiple picks owned by Brisbane, GWS and Sydney that will be taken out of the draft entirely to match early bids.

Brisbane have picks 38, 39, 40, 41 and 42. Two of these will move up, but three will probably disappear or drop back substantially.

GWS have picks 10, 34, 43, 53, 55 and 58. Two move up, three or four disappear/move back.

As above, Sydney likely to lose two and drop one back.

This would move our picks up nine or ten places, conservatively giving us picks 50 and 51.

This in turn covers us for a bid on SOSOS from pick 29 onwards!
 

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For those trying to wrap their heads around the Academy/Father-Son system, here's a little something to mull over.

Mills – bid at Pick 3 – costs Sydney 1787 points after the discount.
Sydney have Picks 33, 36, 37, 44, 54 and 69.
Pick 33 (563 points) becomes Pick 3, pushing everyone between 3 and 32 back one spot.
Deficit points (1224) consume picks 36 and 37, and move pick 44 back to pick 62.
Everyone between 38 and 63 move up two spots, and picks 64 onwards move up 1 spot.

Rinse and repeat for Hopper, Kennedy, Keays, Hipwood and maybe Dunkley.

The interesting part of this is that an early bid for Mills actually pushes GWS’s pick 10 back to pick 11, decreasing it’s value by 66 points.

It’s much smarter for clubs to hoard late picks, because they’re likely to move UP the draft as multiple picks are consumed for early bids, rather than having early picks moved back by late picks dropping in.

Our picks 59 and 60 could quite conceivably move up to the early 50’s, because there are multiple picks owned by Brisbane, GWS and Sydney that will be taken out of the draft entirely to match early bids.

Brisbane have picks 38, 39, 40, 41 and 42. Two of these will move up, but three will probably disappear or drop back substantially.

GWS have picks 10, 34, 43, 53, 55 and 58. Two move up, three or four disappear/move back.

As above, Sydney likely to lose two and drop one back.

This would move our picks up nine or ten places, conservatively giving us picks 50 and 51.

This in turn covers us for a bid on SOSOS from pick 29 onwards!
I have a headache after reading that !!
 

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as always, I'm not even going to pretend I know any of these kids. Would love to know how many people here have actually seen them play.

Give me Weitering ( i believe the hype) and whoever Sin tells me we want


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I have a headache after reading that !!
Was initially going to draft up the likely order factoring in ALL the academy selections, but it just gets too convoluted!

The good news is, our SOSOS picks will be guaranteed to improve over the course of the night, so we shouldn't have any carryover points for next year.

It's an interesting dynamic. The associated points for late picks will actually improve when there are multiple academy/father-son picks, which makes them more valuable than their points would suggest.

Trading Pick 10 (1395 points) for Picks 44-47 (1356 points) could have actually improved GWS's position substantially.

Pick 10 will end up reducing in value to 1329 points, while if picks 44-47 move up even 1 spot, their value increases to 1418 points.

A 39 point loss on the initial trade actually results in an 89 point gain. And this year it would have actually resulted in those picks moving up 2, maybe 3 places, which would turn a 39 point loss into a 218 point gain.


I reckon we're going to see some really odd trades taking place in future.
 

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Too tall... need a couple of zippy little mids/small forwards in those picks.
I don't think we should be using first round picks on small mids or small forwards. They'll generally slide anyway, see Caleb Daniel.
Betts & Garlett in PSD / Rookie drafts.
Plus IMO you're better off getting your KPP & ball winning mids in place before worrying about the rest.
 

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Read from someone that he's Carlton mad and rated for his leadership, and that SOS was interested.
I read an article earlier in the year that mentioned Gresham grew up best mates with SOSOS and is a huge Blues fan - hope he's there at 19. Leadership and a 'Marc Murphy clone' sound great
 

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Knightmare on Oliver:
Aggression – Oliver has a real aggression to him. When he bumps you, tackles you or charges at the ball with the intent to win it, he is going in hard and you’ll feel it. He’ll willingly hurt guys going after the ball. It’s just the way he is.

Would love a couple of midfielders like this with no bell & robbo
Stop it, I'm drooling
 
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our dream result based on likely outcomes:

if one of curnow or francis is on the board at 8:

1. weitering
8. Curnow/ francis
11. matheison/oliver
19. Gresham

if curnow is off the board as expected:

1. weitering
8. Harry Mckay
11. Oliver
19. Gresham


I really like mckay, he is born late december, and is a week off being in the 2016 draft. Cal Twomey said if he was a week younger we would be talking about him being the prospective number 1 pick next year. Could get a potential number 1 pick and KPF at pick 8/11. He will probably need 3 years at NB before having an impact at afl however.
 

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1. Weitering
8. Curnow/Wideman/Mathieson
11. Clark/McKay
19. Gresham/Burton/Hibberd

Not sold on Collins. Hasn't got the best acceleration. Risk that he is another Matty Watson
Agree 100% with Collins. Too many question marks for me. Can dominate at junior level but his lack of pace and wide turning circle has Watson written all over it for me.

I'm still a huge wrap on Francis and would be delighted if he somehow slipped to 8. Would then love to snare Balic at 11 and McKay at 19.

Mathieson is another one I'm interested in if Balic doesn't fall through to us. His leadership and no-frills approach is perfect for a young developing side IMO.
 
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matheison looks like he has a ceiling of a jordan lewis type. but serious question marks over his kicking and outside run.

Maybe more a Brad Sewell type - hard at it and good leader. would be happy to nab him


would also really like clayton oliver - would fit well with cripps. Bigger body than the other mids available and probably a bit quicker than cripps. Bit riskier than matheison though.

would we prefer: matheison who should play 200 solid but unspectacular afl games, or oliver who could play 50 average or 200 great afl games?
 
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