List Mgmt. 2015 AFL Draft

[Dynamics]

Weideman at Essendon. Bleh.

Couldn't he go play for Albury like his grandfather? Then we work out a way to slide him on to the list while no one is watching. It could happen.

 

[Hardas]

Weideman at Essendon. Bleh.
Couldn't he go play for Albury like his grandfather? Then we work out a way to slide him on to the list while no one is watching. It could happen.

Still can't believe that he ended up a Richmond supporter - did his dad end up with an axe to grind at the club?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Pretty hard to muck up 4 top 20 picks.

Silvagni was list manager at GWS when they had picks 1, 2, 3, 12, 14 and 27 in 2012, and they basically have Lachie Whitfield, Aidan Corr and James Stewart to show for it. Don't assume anything!

 

[TradeDraft]

Weideman at Essendon. Bleh.

Couldn't he go play for Albury like his grandfather? Then we work out a way to slide him on to the list while no one is watching. It could happen.

Melbourne are also Keen on him

 

[TradeDraft]

Silvagni was list manager at GWS when they had picks 1, 2, 3, 12, 14 and 27 in 2012, and they basically have Lachie Whitfield, Aidan Corr and James Stewart to show for it. Don't assume anything!

Top Picks don't mean you get the Best Player in the Draft

 

[MyManLynch]

Still can't believe that he ended up a Richmond supporter - did his dad end up with an axe to grind at the club?

Well, after his first year playing 20 games, then hardly got a look in, can't remember if he was injured or just simply out of favour.

 

[Dynamics]

Still can't believe that he ended up a Richmond supporter - did his dad end up with an axe to grind at the club?

If my kids supported Richmond I think I'd need counselling.

Not much chance of that though. My 4 year old chose to wear a Collingwood T-shirt to daycare yesterday and he thinks Jamie Elliott is "awesome like Batman".

 

[Dynamics]

Melbourne are also Keen on him

That would just be sad.

 

[jackcass]

Silvagni was list manager at GWS when they had picks 1, 2, 3, 12, 14 and 27 in 2012, and they basically have Lachie Whitfield, Aidan Corr and James Stewart to show for it. Don't assume anything!

Too true, but O'Rourke, Plowman, and Jaksch may still all be very good players so a bit early to suggest they were poor picks. Agree, with the full benefit of hindsight, Stringer, Wines and Macrea are arguably 1-2-3 from that draft but all just starting their careers.

GWS likely always expected a high turnover of recruits while they stabilise their list. TPP, even with concessions, doesn't allow them to keep the lot. They just hoped they'd be able to retain the players they most wanted.

I appreciate that there's a lot of anti-Carlton sentiment driving the SOS comments but I think a bit of it is just too far over the top. I think given where they're at in their rebuild, SOS has done a fantastic job getting the 4x GWS kids and 4x top 20 picks in his first year.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Pies have landed two GWS kids and two Lions as well but without one single man pulling the strings. What SOS has done in the off season is bizarre. Has thrown his reputation on the line by poaching the very kids he drafted in the first place. There are 16 other teams out there!

 

[unplugged]

I'll be keeping an eye on this one to see how it pans out.

I know some will take this with a grain of salt, but for anyone interested...

Earlier in the year, Dom Milesi started following a small group of players on Twitter, which by no means tells us anything, but anyway, those players were:

Stephen Tahana, Callum Ah Chee, Darcy Tucker, Ben Keays, Josh Dunkley, Ryan Burton, Gach Nyuon, Sam Skinner, Dan Houston (?) and James Parsons (?).

A lot earlier than this, he followed the Weed.

* began following all of these players on Twitter before trading away pick 7. I'm not sure I've heard of those last 2, so whether or not these guys are in the same category I'm not sure.

 

[The Dawes]

Pies have landed two GWS kids and two Lions as well but without one single man pulling the strings. What SOS has done in the off season is bizarre. Has thrown his reputation on the line by poaching the very kids he drafted in the first place. There are 16 other teams out there!

was a strange trade period for Carlton - they delisted a bunch of non-contributers, but then traded in a heap of extraneous GWS fluff.

 

[jackcass]

Pies have landed two GWS kids and two Lions as well but without one single man pulling the strings. What SOS has done in the off season is bizarre. Has thrown his reputation on the line by poaching the very kids he drafted in the first place. There are 16 other teams out there!

Assumes they didn't try to land a Carlisle, or Seedsman, or Aish... and they did land Kerridge. Ultimately, players have to want to go there.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Assumes they didn't try to land a Carlisle, or Seedsman, or Aish... and they did land Kerridge. Ultimately, players have to want to go there.

It doesn't help their case much by saying only four GWS rejects were interested

 

[jackcass]

It doesn't help their case much by saying only four GWS rejects were interested

I'm not overly worried about their case but ultimately I think they've made all the right decisions to turn themselves around quickly. That annoys me.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I'm not overly worried about their case but ultimately I think they've made all the right decisions to turn themselves around quickly. That annoys me.

I dont share your enthusiasm. That excites me!

 

[jackcass]

I dont share your enthusiasm. That excites me.

I'm completely ambivalent to your lack of enthusiasm, actually, that might even overstate what I think about it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You seem to be getting a bit personal in a minor discussion about Carltons immediate future

 

[35Daicos]

Still can't believe that he ended up a Richmond supporter - did his dad end up with an axe to grind at the club?

Mark Weideman presumably would have been very unhappy about being left out of the 1981 Grand Final team, having been in the Preliminary Final side and playing 20 games that year. With Peter Moore returning for the GF he lost his spot in the team. The fact that he stayed at Collingwood for another 3 seasons suggests he handled the situation okay.

Well, after his first year playing 20 games, then hardly got a look in, can't remember if he was injured or just simply out of favour.

I'm pretty sure he had quite a few injury problems, I just can't find any real evidence of that. He was sold to Fitzroy after the 1984 season, but failed to play a senior game there. I presume that injury hampered him at the Lions at least. Strangely, the biography on his Collingwood Forever page only mentions that he went to Coburg (this is an exact copy of what it says in Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers):-

Son of Murray, he was recruited from West Adelaide, but never established a regular senior place and later transferred to Coburg.

http://forever.collingwoodfc.com.au/players/mark-weideman/

 

[Apex36]

I'll be keeping an eye on this one to see how it pans out.

I know some will take this with a grain of salt, but for anyone interested...

Earlier in the year, Dom Milesi started following a small group of players on Twitter, which by no means tells us anything, but anyway, those players were:

Stephen Tahana, Callum Ah Chee, Darcy Tucker, Ben Keays, Josh Dunkley, Ryan Burton, Gach Nyuon, Sam Skinner, Dan Houston (?) and James Parsons (?).

A lot earlier than this, he followed the Weed.

* began following all of these players on Twitter before trading away pick 7. I'm not sure I've heard of those last 2, so whether or not these guys are in the same category I'm not sure.

Twitter stalking seems to be becoming the best way to find out player/club intentions.

Not even joking lol.

 

[jackcass]

You seem to be getting a bit personal in a minor discussion about Carltons immediate future

I think you're stretching, I'll restate my ambivalence.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Just spent the week at a conference at the Adelaide Convention Centre, real pity it wasn't being held next week as I see the AFL Draft is being held there. I know which of the two I would've preferred to sit through!!!!

 

[Apex36]

I'm not overly worried about their case but ultimately I think they've made all the right decisions to turn themselves around quickly. That annoys me.

Silvagni is very adept at trading out players for draft picks, he's done it very well at GWS. The problem with this strategy at Carlton though, is that they don't have 3-4 years worth of first round draft picks sitting in the reserves that he can trade out for new talent every year.

As it is, they've traded out Henderson and Yarran to gain first round picks this year, who are two of their better performed long term players, in addition to a former first round pick in Menzel. Since they will be very unlikely to have the currency in their player stocks next year to attack the draft hard, they'd want to nail every single early pick they have this year. I'm not convinced that SOS has the ability as a recruiter to do that given his very hit and miss recruiting at GWS.

To be honest, I think Carlton would have been better served trying to get picks for next year, in what's reported to be a much stronger draft. In addition to that, Bolton needs to make wholesale changes to how their development program is run. He's going to have a baptism of fire going from an assistant at a club full of talented players to the rabble that is Carlton. There's every chance he could end up being Mark Neeld/Scott Watters MK II

 

[thetruth000001]

I've said before to compete for the top and flags you must string really good drafts and trade periods together hawks did it freo did it swans did it and eagles have also done it

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Can't imagine it was that hard at GWS to trade out players, most were young kids who wanted out.

And a Carlton there's a massive exodus as well.

Jury massively out on Silvagni.