List Mgmt. 2015 Best 22 - Rolling thread

[Bombers36]

Marigliani M.Brown Tipungwuti

Ashby Freezer Gleeson

Kavanagh Chapman Polkinghorne

Langford Michael Edwards

J.Merrett McKernan Petrenko


Giles O'Brien Jones


Bench from: Long McKenna A.Heppell Dalgleish

 

[Keystone agony]

Which way would you go?

I think its probably close to Ambrose vs Langford vs Giles vs Neither and utilise our quality smalls

Baguley - Hooker - Fletcher

Dempsey - Hurley - Hibberd

Goddard - Watson - Stanton

Zacka - Carlisle - Cooney

Chapman - Daniher - Winderlich

Bellchambers - Hocking - Heppell

Colyer, Myers, Melksham
Sub: Z.Merrett (Maybe Edwards and/or Gleeson)

So that is the side with going all small. Change the players how you like with maybe Howlett, Gleeson, Edwards as a sub ect

Or do we pick one of Ambrose, Giles or Langford instead of probably say Melksham or even Hocking (although if fit the coaches will just pick him even though im not 100% sure about it)

With the above best 22 only had 5 playing in the game tonight (and one of them would be sub in this case Z.Merrett so really only 4 starters played against GWS in Goddard, JoeD, Cooney and Zaharakis)

 

[hurlygurdy]

Which way would you go?

I think its probably close to Ambrose vs Langford vs Giles vs Neither and utilise our quality smalls

Baguley - Hooker - Fletcher

Dempsey - Hurley - Hibberd

Goddard - Watson - Stanton

Zacka - Carlisle - Cooney

Chapman - Daniher - Winderlich

Bellchambers - Hocking - Heppell

Colyer, Myers, Melksham
Sub: Z.Merrett (Maybe Edwards and/or Gleeson)

So that is the side with going all small. Change the players how you like with maybe Howlett, Gleeson, Edwards as a sub ect

Or do we pick one of Ambrose, Giles or Langford instead of probably say Melksham or even Hocking (although if fit the coaches will just pick him even though im not 100% sure about it)

With the above best 22 only had 5 playing in the game tonight (and one of them would be sub in this case Z.Merrett so really only 4 starters played against GWS in Goddard, JoeD, Cooney and Zaharakis)

Personally i like the gut determination of Ambrose in the side (and Hocking for that matter). We have a huge amount of class and silk with the rest of the team, but i feel better if there is that grunt factor as well. He has to be up to it mind you, and if he hasn't moved forward from last year then i can't see how he can demand a place ahead of Gleeson or even Giles. It's one of my high hopes this year that Ambrose has taken that next step.
As we have discussed on the other thread, Melksham cannot be regarded as best 22 until he dominates some games. He is not going to to get the chance to do that in the NAB which a damn shame for him, which just leaves the VFL.

 

[MightyDons4]

My best 22 ATM
FB: Fletcher Hooker Baugley
HB: Hibberd Hurley Winderlich
C: Cooney Watson Goddard
HF: Colyer Daniher Zerrett
FF: Langford Carlisle Chapman
Fol: Bellchambers Heppell Zaharakis
Int: Myers Hocking Stanton Sub: Dempsey/Ashby/Edwards/Gleeson

 

[Cristiano Ronaldo]

Still feel we need a tad bit more pace in the side. Someone like an Edwards, Laverde or Fantasia needs to push out either Hocking or Stanton

 

[BrunoV]

I still can't see how we are going to tie everything together if we play Giles over Ambrose (and really, if we don't play Ambrose at all).

It took a while for Ambrose to work his way into the game against GWS and he has his deficiencies (that ultimately he addresses or we improve on with a different player) but in 2015 we need the grunt.

It's hard to work out whether his understanding of where to lead in order to maximise his strengths has improved because obviously the team is in shambles but he did seem to be in step with the game more than chasing and keeping up because he is a freak (like he was last year).

The dog shit dished up by Giles against GWS cancels out his performance against St Kilda and doesn't exactly have him screaming 'pick me'.

I would prefer that Daniher or Carlisle don't ruck but it really is unavoidable.

The forwardline could take a really interesting shape this year. Dominant marking targets (Carlisle and Daniher with the rotation coming from Bellchambers), explosive mid-sized guys who are seriously good overhead (at least Winderlich, Edwards and Langford with Laverde being more of a wild card given that he will have a slower start to the year), some quality, skillful smalls who will rest close to goal (Zaharakis and Z. Merrett), other resting marking options such as Goddard and Watson with ground level grunt coming from the likes of (probably) Howlett, J. Merrett an hopefully Fantasia.

It is really just a genuine hard leading CHF that there is uncertainty around and which is needed to tie everything together. It would take absolute stagnation in his game for Ambrose not to play every game in 2015 if I was responsible for team selection.

 

[hurlygurdy]

I still can't see how we are going to tie everything together if we play Giles over Ambrose (and really, if we don't play Ambrose at all).

It took a while for Ambrose to work his way into the game against GWS and he has his deficiencies (that ultimately he addresses or we improve on with a different player) but in 2015 we need the grunt.

It's hard to work out whether his understanding of where to lead in order to maximise his strengths has improved because obviously the team is in shambles but he did seem to be in step with the game more than chasing and keeping up because he is a freak (like he was last year).

The dog shit dished up by Giles against GWS cancels out his performance against St Kilda and doesn't exactly have him screaming 'pick me'.

I would prefer that Daniher or Carlisle don't ruck but it really is unavoidable.

The forwardline could take a really interesting shape this year. Dominant marking targets (Carlisle and Daniher with the rotation coming from Bellchambers), explosive mid-sized guys who are seriously good overhead (at least Winderlich, Edwards and Langford with Laverde being more of a wild card given that he will have a slower start to the year), some quality, skillful smalls who will rest close to goal (Zaharakis and Z. Merrett), other resting marking options such as Goddard and Watson with ground level grunt coming from the likes of (probably) Howlett, J. Merrett an hopefully Fantasia.

It is really just a genuine hard leading CHF that there is uncertainty around and which is needed to tie everything together. It would take absolute stagnation in his game for Ambrose not to play every game in 2015 if I was responsible for team selection.

To play devils advocate, what is really that wrong about playing JD at CHF? He has the work ethic and mobility...

 

[BrunoV]

To play devils advocate, what is really that wrong about playing JD at CHF? He has the work ethic and mobility...

I don't know, does he? He hasn't played more than a quarter all up in any game I've seen.

His and Carlisle's strengths are closer to goal. Just strikes me as a better balance to have Ambrose doing the grunt work.

 

[hurlygurdy]

I don't know, does he? He hasn't played more than a quarter all up in any game I've seen.

His and Carlisle's strengths are closer to goal. Just strikes me as a better balance to have Ambrose doing the grunt work.

Well yes he does have the work ethic and mobility. But does he have the stamina and strength? Perhaps not.
Essendon has often played with an unusual CHF arrangement over the years though... Apart from Lucas we have seemingly played the position in some unorthodox ways with some success. I think JD has some creativity to his game that could be useful there. If the position becomes too much of a forward line focal point then the opposition can tend to build around it. JD is still at an age where he can afford to be something of a decoy for periods of the game, and that could play into our hands?
But i'm totally all for Ambrose as a first option...

 

[eth-dog]

I sot of agree with Bruno. They both can move up the ground as a change up but both of them are better close to goal. They're very similar forwards and I think that will harm them, mostly because they're a bit too similar and get in each other's way. Carlisle should be in defence post-Fletch

 

[JohnnyDrama1]

FB:Baguley Hooker Fletcher
CHB:Hibberd Hurley Dempsey
C: Cooney Watson Goddard
CHF: Zaharakis Daniher Chapman
FF: Z Merrett Carlisle Licka
R:TBC, Heppell, Myers
Interchange: Hocking, Stanton, Ambrose Sub: Gleeson
Ashby/Melksham/JMerrett/Howlett borderline
Giles can come in if extra tall needed

 

[Ambrosia]

FB:Baguley Hooker Fletcher
CHB:Hibberd Hurley Dempsey
C: Cooney Watson Cooney
CHF: Zaharakis Daniher Chapman
FF: Z Merrett Carlisle Daniher
R:TBC, Heppell, Myers
Interchange: Hocking, Stanton, Licka Sub: Dempsey
Gleeson/Ashby/Melksham/JMerrett borderline
Giles/Ambrose can come in if extra talls are needed

You've named Cooney, Dempsey and Daniher twice.

 

[Yoda_]

I'm not completely sold on Winderlich being the lock he once was.

Career best football last year saw him dominate but a player who relies on continuity in his football is now coming from a long way back. The emergence of our 12/13 class should see Dempsey, Winderlich be looking over there shoulder.


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[Ambrosia]

How I'd like us to line up in round 1.

FB: Baguley - Hooker - Fletcher
HB: Hibberd - Hurley - Gleeson
C: Stanton - Heppell - Zaharakis
HF: Colyer - Carlisle - Goddard
FF:Chapman - Daniher - Langford
R: Bellchambers - Watson - Cooney
IC: Myers - Z.Merrett - Ambrose sub: Howlett

I don't think Howlett is in our best 22 however I think has good attributes for a sub.

 

[Halftimehero]

I'm not completely sold on Winderlich being the lock he once was.

Career best football last year saw him dominate but a player who relies on continuity in his football is now coming from a long way back. The emergence of our 12/13 class should see Dempsey, Winderlich be looking over there shoulder.


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Absolutely agree, in order for the team to improve we must get players like Gleeson, Ashby, Langford, Laverde etc into the side, that means players we once considered best 22 will need to go out of the side.

 

[Yoda_]

Absolutely agree, in order for the team to improve we must get players like Gleeson, Ashby, Langford, Laverde etc into the side, that means players we once considered best 22 will need to go out of the side.

I hope supporters don't assume that guys like Cooney, Gwilt, Giles who we brought into the club are considered automatic best 22. Obviously, we'd like to think they can be ahead of the kids but these youngsters will be coming into the side eventually.


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[hurlygurdy]

I hope supporters don't assume that guys like Cooney, Gwilt, Giles who we brought into the club are considered automatic best 22. Obviously, we'd like to think they can be ahead of the kids but these youngsters will be coming into the side eventually.


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Well if Cooney isn't automatically best 22 then we stuffed up with that trade.
Theres nothing automatic at all about Gwilt and Giles. I will be interested to see how TRB play that situation... They will want to blood them early in the season to encourage them and welcome them to the club, but i don't see them being regular fixtures. Gwilt will fill in for Fletcher at least once before Anzac day you would think. Giles might get a gig against a tall backline?

 

[Yoda_]

Well if Cooney isn't automatically best 22 then we stuffed up with that trade.
Theres nothing automatic at all about Gwilt and Giles. I will be interested to see how TRB play that situation... They will want to blood them early in the season to encourage them and welcome them to the club, but i don't see them being regular fixtures. Gwilt will fill in for Fletcher at least once before Anzac day you would think. Giles might get a gig against a tall backline?

If someone was dominating in the magoos and Cooney was struggling he shouldn't be considered a lock like Heppell and Daniher are.


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[BrunoV]

If someone was dominating in the magoos and Cooney was struggling he shouldn't be considered a lock like Heppell and Daniher are.


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Not sure what I'm supposed to think of bringing Cooney in if he isn't a lock.

 

[JohnnyDrama1]

You've named Cooney, Dempsey and Daniher twice.

yep my bad edited now

 

[hurlygurdy]

If someone was dominating in the magoos and Cooney was struggling he shouldn't be considered a lock like Heppell and Daniher are.


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Unless he is carrying an injury then i think he has to be a lock this year. This is a silly debate anyway, surely a fit Cooney is going to do enough each week and not allow the issue to be raised! When he is fit, a bad game would be high teens possessions with trade mark explosive speed from the contest. Who in the twos is going to trump that? I maintain that this is an underestimated pick up for the Bombers this year... Retrospectively the difference he would have made to 2014 is scary to contemplate. Pick a game where we looked a little flat footed? Insert Cooney at the expense of Howlett/Jackson etc? It's impossible to quantify precisely, but its not unreasonable to suggest that we could have placed higher on the ladder.

 

[hurlygurdy]

FB:Baguley Hooker Fletcher
CHB:Hibberd Hurley Dempsey
C: Cooney Watson Goddard
CHF: Zaharakis Daniher Chapman
FF: Z Merrett Carlisle Licka
R:TBC, Heppell, Myers
Interchange: Hocking, Stanton, Ambrose Sub: Gleeson
Ashby/Melksham/JMerrett/Howlett borderline
Giles can come in if extra tall needed

Needs more Colyer.
Colyer in, Z merrett sub. I really like Merrett as a sub and he is so young that i think its not bad for his development anyway.

 

[Yoda_]

Ok, I'll use another example; David Myers. Winderlich.


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[JohnnyDrama1]

Needs more Colyer.
Colyer in, Z merrett sub. I really like Merrett as a sub and he is so young that i think its not bad for his development anyway.

Forgot about Colyer completely. Definitely best 22. Don't know what i was thinking

 

[hurlygurdy]

Ok, I'll use another example; David Myers. Winderlich.


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I kind of feel like i'm being argumentative now... I'm sure you're right and that could be a possibility.
However! Once again, i don't see Myers slipping to that extent even if he does lose some form? A couple of years ago yes without doubt, but with the physical presence he brings now?
The thing about Licka is that if things aren't working for him up forward then so far he has been crazy good off HB. Now that we have Cooney also floating around and mids looking to rest up forward, i think Licka can fit in wherever. I struggle to see him not influencing games unless injured.
At the end of the day, this is why names like Stanton, Hocking and Dempsey get floated so much. Both Hocking and Dempsey do have some pretty ordinary games at times and so you would think it exposes them to someone carving up the VFL. Stanton should be safe now that we have extra speed...
I'd be pretty shocked at anyone losing their place this year (except through injury) other than Ambrose (if he has a place), Zach, Stanton, Dempsey, TBC and Hocking. Everyone else looks untouchable.