List Mgmt. 2015 Best 22 - Rolling thread

[Halftimehero]

Not a chance. Quality player and is seriously important. Selected each week he is fit.

Like I said, I don't expect him to missing many games and yes he is a quality player but I don't think he is in the category of being selected each week if his performance and output were to drop away.

 

[rines]

I thought Myers was on the fringe when we had this discussion last year.. however he is no longer on the fringe imho.

Myers is leadership, clearances and Mr Consistency this year.. he is a definite starter.

I don't think taggers are dead.. and I LOVE the way Hocking goes about it.. but he seemed to lose a yard of pace this year which meant that he lost the valuable 'tool' of being able to get his own touches and hurt his opponent going 'the other way'. I don't know if he was carrying an injury or other stuff.. and I certainly don't think he is on the trade table or anything like that.. however I'm not sure he is in our best 22 if we seriously challenge for a flag next year and beyond.

 

[Doss]

Like I said, I don't expect him to missing many games and yes he is a quality player but I don't think he is in the category of being selected each week if his performance and output were to drop away.

His output and performance never drop away enough now for that to come to fruition.

 

[Halftimehero]

His output and performance never drop away enough now for that to come to fruition.

Probably not with the list we have had, but I am hoping Fantasia, Gleeson, Ashby, J Merrett, Edwards, Melksham, Browne and Kommer all improve enough to at least put a lot of pressure on the players in the senior side to perform at a high level every week. Myers last 6 weeks barring the West Coast game were pretty average compared to the rest of his season, he only bettered 20 disposals once and his clearance numbers dropped from his earlier season form. He doesn't kick enough goals for someone with such a powerful kick either. I would be hoping that moving forward, our midfielders would be producing 5 consistent matches and 1 sub standard performance over a 6 week block, not the other way around.

 

[rines]

It is a very valid point you make HIMH. As supporters we probably over rate those we 'know' compared to those we don't.

However we probably do need 2-3 of those younger guys to start pushing into the seniors to get the improvement we need.

I just would have thought that it will be guys like Howlett, Stanton, Hocking, Chappy, Dempsey that start to get pushed out.. rather than Myers.

 

[Halftimehero]

It is a very valid point you make HIMH. As supporters we probably over rate those we 'know' compared to those we don't.

However we probably do need 2-3 of those younger guys to start pushing into the seniors to get the improvement we need.

I just would have thought that it will be guys like Howlett, Stanton, Hocking, Chappy, Dempsey that start to get pushed out.. rather than Myers.

I have listed up further the players I would consider locks and none of who you mentioned except Chappy were in, Myers as I have stated a few times is a player I don't expect to miss many games at all but I still don't consider him an absolute lock if his performances were to drop away.

 

[Halftimehero]

Put it this way, this time last year I doubt you would have found too many saying Melksham would be dropped after the year he had just had, but we all know how that ended up.

 

[rines]

Put it this way, this time last year I doubt you would have found too many saying Melksham would be dropped after the year he had just had, but we all know how that ended up.

I'm probably the wrong one to talk about that with..

In fact I think I suggested trading Melksham while he still had trade value.. similar to my suggestion this year about Stanton.. and pretty much got the same response as I'm getting now...

At the time it was mooted that we were offered an early 2nd round pick for the Milkshake.. Impey, Crouch, Taylor, Hartung... all would be sounding pretty good right about now to play alongside Z Merrett...

 

[BrunoV]

Probably not with the list we have had, but I am hoping Fantasia, Gleeson, Ashby, J Merrett, Edwards, Melksham, Browne and Kommer all improve enough to at least put a lot of pressure on the players in the senior side to perform at a high level every week. Myers last 6 weeks barring the West Coast game were pretty average compared to the rest of his season, he only bettered 20 disposals once and his clearance numbers dropped from his earlier season form. He doesn't kick enough goals for someone with such a powerful kick either. I would be hoping that moving forward, our midfielders would be producing 5 consistent matches and 1 sub standard performance over a 6 week block, not the other way around.

I think you'll find that when his numbers drop below 20 it's because he spends large portions of time playing as the third tall defender. He spent much of the night on Griffiths the second time we played Richmond for example.

On the weekend he had a light tag of Zeibell (I say light because he didn't follow him forward) and killed him while still getting his 20. No doubt that it was an error not having a shot first time around in the last when he ended up chipping it to the pocket and that, generally, he doesn't kick enough goals.

The goal kicking is pretty easily solved though he just needs to hit the 55m ball first time rather than worrying about being unselfish as has been the case on 3 or 4 occasions in the last 4 games he has played.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Is the tagger a dying breed?

No.

 

[citizen-erased]

Baguley Carlisle Hooker
Fletcher Hurley Hibberd
Stanton Myers Goddard
Hocking Daniher Colyer
Zerrett Bellchambers Ambrose
Ryder Watson Heppell
INT:Gleeson Zaka Dempsey
SUB:Winderlich

We haven't been the best users of the sub, but if Winders stays, we have an opportunity to use it to advantage.
Thinking of players who can come on and impact a game for 2-3 goals in a short space of time when the game starts to slow and Winders is perfect for it. Can play back, forward or middle. Shame we wouldnt get his output for 4 quarters, but it could be more telling in 1 and a bit.

I like Carlisle in the backline. Experiment has gone on and outside of beating up on some poor backlines, it hasn't looked promising.
And clubs are starting to go back to tall forward lines. The Swans, Hawks, Roos, etc will stretch Hurley, Hooker and Fletch/Steinberg. And I still think Carlisle/Hooker/Hurley is a premiership trio of tall defenders. And without being convinced on Steinberg yet and Fletcher's time now really looking like its close to be over, the future needs to be considered.

Forward line still present issues.
Ryder, Daniher, Bellchambers is not good enough, and we don't know where Ryder will be in 2015. Regardless, we need a full forward. Whether its through the draft, looking at the stocks in NSW (Reid, Tomlinson, Cameron, Boyd) or elsewhere, it needs to be addressed. so while i have bellchambers at FF, i'd like to see that position replaced and either Belly or Ryder become our number 1 ruck.
Ambrose & Zerrett I can see being our Gunston & Bruest role players. Hocking to tag the attacking HBF is probably his best fit after losing a yard of pace in the middle.

Howlett v Gleeson was the big ?
Howlett is more developed but I do like what Gleeson brings to the team.

 

[Nasty Penguin]

I'll be interested to see what happens to or how the seasons are assessed for these guys: Gleeson(not much of him), Dalgleish, Ashby, Browne(obviously injured) and Melksham.
Clearly there's talent there and a lot of upside but I guess there's a bigger question on Melksham and why he went backwards.

 

[Keystone agony]

This post is wrong - Sydney use McGlynn and Bird, Hawthorn use Shields and Langford, Geelong use Guthrie, Power have the indomitable Cornes, Freo have Crowley - North don't have a defined tagger.

Hocking's issue is poor use - Has spend too much time tagging half forwards or being a defensive forward - He needs to spend his time in the midfield.

Please tell me who those guys have specifically tagged every week, week in/week out like crowley, macaffer, hocking have?

I havnt annihilated booking agencies for the past 2 years with DT bets for no reason. You need to know whos tagging and whos tagging who. Ive researched this alot in the padt 2 years with great success.

Agree all those guys do little jobs here and there but none are too the effect of hocking ect ie: they arent heavy tags.

 

[Keystone agony]

I'll be interested to see what happens to or how the seasons are assessed for these guys: Gleeson(not much of him), Dalgleish, Ashby, Browne(obviously injured) and Melksham.
Clearly there's talent there and a lot of upside but I guess there's a bigger question on Melksham and why he went backwards.

Given no confidence. Played out of position. When he came 3rd in the B&F how many times was he in the starting 3 onball? Plenty. This year he was unsighted. He needs to become a more permanent fixture guys like Howlett/Hocking are holding him back but Melksham does need to take some of the blame because if he isnt good enough then guys will get played ahead.

 

[Keystone agony]

The tagger isnt a dying breed but as soon as it starts to make you look slow around the footy then something needs to give. Sydney did it with Mitchell and ROK why cant we?

Where do Fasolo and Seedsman stand with contracts at collingwood? Harry O could give us dash on a wing but I still dont really rate him but adds outside pace.

 

[Halftimehero]

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Returning @EssendonFC coach James Hird has contacted Mitch Clark about a return to the #AFL: http://bit.ly/1lVmqAL pic.twitter.com/kxaPPIbPP5

 

[citizen-erased]

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FOX SPORTS News ‏@FOXSportsNews 13m
Returning @EssendonFC coach James Hird has contacted Mitch Clark about a return to the #AFL: http://bit.ly/1lVmqAL pic.twitter.com/kxaPPIbPP5

not the dumbest thing to do. Clark and daniher in our forward line

 

[Keystone agony]

And that is why I want him back. More agressive and attacking with his ways which leads to things on the field.

Hird knows we lack something forward so he goes out in search of the best forward not on an AFL list and thats Clark. Brilliant. He also understands this is a chance to get a player under their worth.

 

[eth-dog]

Forward line of:

Colyer - Clark - Zaharakis
Chapman - Daniher - Ryder

All 6 good overhead, all 6 good at ground level.

 

[Halftimehero]

Forward line of:

Colyer - Clark - Zaharakis
Chapman - Daniher - Ryder

All 6 good overhead, all 6 good at ground level.

then would allow a backline of

Hurley Carlisle Baguley
Hibberd Hooker Gleeson/Dempsey/Winderlich

and Fletcher hanging around when needed

 

[Halftimehero]

Forward line of:

Colyer - Clark - Zaharakis
Chapman - Daniher - Ryder

All 6 good overhead, all 6 good at ground level.

Honestly if we were to keep Ryder and get Mitch Clark(back to somewhere near his best) that would put us in the box seat for the top 4 next season without doubt, adding Carlisle to an already 4th ranked defence, Daniher producing what he did on Saturday night on a more regular basis up forward with support from Clark and Bellchambers having a pre season under his belt working in tandom with Ryder would make all the difference.

 

[eth-dog]

Honestly if we were to keep Ryder and get Mitch Clark(back to somewhere near his best) that would put us in the box seat for the top 4 next season without doubt, adding Carlisle to an already 4th ranked defence, Daniher producing what he did on Saturday night on a more regular basis up forward with support from Clark and Bellchambers having a pre season under his belt working in tandom with Ryder would make all the difference.

Would still need another "quick" wingman. IF we manage to get Clark (maybe Howlett + 19?) we'd be looking at:

Carlisle - Hurley - Baguley
Dempsey - Hooker - Hibberd
Zaharakis - Watson - Goddard
Colyer - Clark - Stanton
Chapman - Daniher - Bellchambers
Ryder - Heppell - Myers
Z Merrett - Gleeson - Hocking - ??? (I know I've forgotten somebody, and no it isn't Licha)

 

[Halftimehero]

Would still need another "quick" wingman. IF we manage to get Clark (maybe Howlett + 19?) we'd be looking at:

Carlisle - Hurley - Baguley
Dempsey - Hurley - Hibberd
Zaharakis - Watson - Goddard
Colyer - Clark - Stanton
Chapman - Daniher - Bellchambers
Ryder - Heppell - Myers
Z Merrett - Gleeson - Hocking - ??? (I know I've forgotten somebody, and no it isn't Licha)

Well you would hope J Merrett, Fantasia, Kommer, Ashby, Edwards etc would come on to fill that last spot, also swap one of your Hurley's for Hooker

 

[eth-dog]

Well you would hope J Merrett, Fantasia, Kommer, Ashby, Edwards etc would come on to fill that last spot, also swap one of your Hurley's for Hooker

Dalgleish is the one for me. Even then we're awfully one-paced

 

[Halftimehero]

Dalgleish is the one for me. Even then we're awfully one-paced

Yeah him too, and I still hold hope that Melksham will get back to his 2013 form, maybe Hirdy has the key to him.