2015 Division 3

[HBFlanker]

For mernda and south Morang it would be the same distance as going too banyule and w/Heidelberg pretty much

its more than double according to google maps

 

[Solatium]

Spoke to a mate who is connected to a club and he said the NFL has told clubs of Kilmore's intention

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc...51-0-0-0&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=35929519

 

[Tagmein]

its more than double according to google maps

Definitely not double takes 30 -35 to get to Kilmore and took us roughly 25 too get too west this year

 

[local footy fan]

the only ones who will have a hard time with the extra distance is the under 19's as it hard enough to get them to a game on time even when they are playing at home LOL

 

[Big Unit 30]

hbflanker I agree with your statement about just staying up I still reckon they will need to spend 80 to 90k for players for just to place lower to mid field and avoid the drop

$90k just to stay up!
Wow.... after Thomastowns transition that was more than competitive, are you sure it would take that amount?

 

[luvlocalfuty]

$90k just to stay up!
Wow.... after Thomastowns transition that was more than competitive, are you sure it would take that amount?

A certain figure wont keep you up! Right recruits and good coach does. Thomastown spent 42k last year and up by 20k this year im told. Im hearing Div 3 sides spent considerable more than that. Alot of money wasting going on.

 

[Grassroots Guru]

Wallan will not be playing in the NFL next year.

I'm guessing your in the know at Wallan.
Out of interest why do the juniors at Wallan play in the NFL but go to RDFL in the seniors?
Were Wallan part of the original D3 set up in the NFL?

I'm always interested to see why clubs aren't aligned in the same leagues with junior & senior level.

 

[Iceman27]

I'm guessing your in the know at Wallan.
Out of interest why do the juniors at Wallan play in the NFL but go to RDFL in the seniors?
Were Wallan part of the original D3 set up in the NFL?

I'm always interested to see why clubs aren't aligned in the same leagues with junior & senior level.

Wallan were not apart of Div 3. We left in 07 which was before div 3 was formed.

I believe the juniors stayed in the NFL is because the league fees are cheaper & parents with multiple kids playing in different age groups find it easier to travel from ground to ground.

I would love for both seniors & juniors to play in the one comp (RDFL IMO) but I don't think that will happen in the near future.

 

[local footy fan]

$90k just to stay up!
Wow.... after Thomastowns transition that was more than competitive, are you sure it would take that amount?

Thomastown have been able to do a lot with paying a little but they have a good junior program.
90K would be on the mark to stay up and finish mid table, I have heard that to the be right up there in div3 you need to be north of 50k. But this might change for the better with the new points system coming in next year as this should stop the over priced footy sluts hocking their services around to the highest bidder

 

[Chet_Wynd]

Interesting to see that Parkside, who left the NFL at the end of last season to return to the Amateurs, is playing in the Division 4 Grand Final this weekend and one of their players won the comp B&F. Now I know that it's way down the pecking order of grades there, but it appears that the Club has certainly got their act together and as we all know, success breeds success. And although I doubt it will ever happen, it does underline some previous comments about the future and direction that Heidelberg West should consider.

 

[Reserves_dud]

Wallan were not apart of Div 3. We left in 07 which was before div 3 was formed.

Would wallan have stayed if they had been in div 3?

Kinglake in the same boat... Might have stayed if div 3 was formed a little sooner

 

[Ease uP]

I'm guessing your in the know at Wallan.
Out of interest why do the juniors at Wallan play in the NFL but go to RDFL in the seniors?
Were Wallan part of the original D3 set up in the NFL?

I'm always interested to see why clubs aren't aligned in the same leagues with junior & senior level.

Wallan juniors play in the NFL purely because it's a better comp simple don't have to put any more Mayo then that on that subject

Senior club went back to the rdfl the year divvy 3 was formed because players did not want to lower themselves to that standard (they thought they were better footballers then they are)

 

[Ease uP]

Interesting to see that Parkside, who left the NFL at the end of last season to return to the Amateurs, is playing in the Division 4 Grand Final this weekend and one of their players won the comp B&F. Now I know that it's way down the pecking order of grades there, but it appears that the Club has certainly got their act together and as we all know, success breeds success. And although I doubt it will ever happen, it does underline some previous comments about the future and direction that Heidelberg West should consider.

So going by your theory if you finish on the bottom of the ladder in divvy 3 you should rack off to the ammo's

 

[Iceman27]

Wallan juniors play in the NFL purely because it's a better comp simple don't have to put any more Mayo then that on that subject

Senior club went back to the rdfl the year divvy 3 was formed because players did not want to lower themselves to that standard (they thought they were better footballers then they are)[/QUOTE

Pretty sure we left 3 or 4 years before div 3 was formed.

 

[sceamer]

iceman27 you are correct and they left because they couldn't compete in this league

 

[Iceman27]

iceman27 you are correct and they left because they couldn't compete in this league

That's correct mate. In my opinion we were never going to compete while there was 2 divisions & in hind site, we should have just stayed in the RDFL.

 

[localfootywatch]

Interesting to see that Parkside, who left the NFL at the end of last season to return to the Amateurs, is playing in the Division 4 Grand Final this weekend and one of their players won the comp B&F. Now I know that it's way down the pecking order of grades there, but it appears that the Club has certainly got their act together and as we all know, success breeds success. And although I doubt it will ever happen, it does underline some previous comments about the future and direction that Heidelberg West should consider.

About time somebody finally agreed with me. Success does breed success, you win a flag or get within 12 points of one, players who left or sat out a season or two will want to return, regardless of being paid or not.

With all due respect to Parkside, they were pretty poor in their last 2-3 seasons in the NFL. But credit to them, they said you know what, we cannot compete in this comp and grade, so lets go somewhere where we can compete and our players and committee staff, president ect will enjoy success and win games.

People may think it is the easy way out leaving and heading over to the VAFA, it isn't, admitting that you are not strong enough to compete in the league anymore and relocating is the harder thing. Making the call to leave I am sure would not have been anywhere near easy for the committee, of course people may not have agreed but I am sure that come August-September when they are playing off in finals and a grand final they know they have made the right choice.

They will go straight to into div 3 after their first year and in my eyes, that is a win. That too in my eyes is immediate success, a promotion and playing in a grand final, two years ago we all would have scoffed at the sound of it, I would of.

I will always stand by my word that Heidelberg West should move to the VAFA, I never will back away from that.

You may lose fans, players maybe money too over it, but you know what? People play football to win and believe it or not, people also play for the jumper, hence why some of their better players have not left after I am sure numerous offers have came at them. You lose some fans and some players, but like Chet_Wynd said success breeds success. You win 4 or 5 in a row by convincing margins, you play off in a finals series all of a sudden you go from having 50 people watching that grows by 150-200 people purely because of success. The year after you have won a flag or played off in one you will suddenly see 10 or so new and old faces coming back into the club.

I used to play for West but I have not played in two or so years purely for the reasons I have mentioned. I was not the best player, nor did I ever 100% put in every night at training, but every time I put on that jumper I gave it everything I had, I left nothing out there. I stopped playing because mentally I was shot, physically I was fine. I was sick of my mates asking me how much did you lose by today or asking me if we will get within 100 points today. It literally made me sick. I hate losing, I really do. I could have gotten a clearance to play elsewhere but truth be told, I do not want to play football anywhere else. I want to win a premiership with them, I want to apart of the clubs proud history, but in the Northern Football League I know my goal will not be achieved, not in my playing days anyway.

I love the footy club with all of my heart, the proud history, the work and the countless hours the committee members do is amazing. They give so much time for almost no return in terms of results. I would do anything I can to help them make the transition over or into a league where they will be competitive and win games, make all the effort and time the committee put in worth it in regards to the on field results.

I obviously have not been honest in my posts, I have said things I deeply and genuinely regret on this forum, my only intentions were to help get us some success, find some love in the game of football again. We love footy, no doubt, we also love to win, I want nothing more than to have both next season.

The wins I played in there were amazing, we celebrating like we won a grand final, we celebrated so long and so well because winning is very rare to come by, we wanted to cherish that. I want to win games every week next season and when we win, we do not celebrate every week like we won the flag, Why? Because making a habit of winning will take out the jubilation of it all and we will save our celebration for when we win a grand final or even a final.

 

[localfootywatch]

So going by your theory if you finish on the bottom of the ladder in divvy 3 you should rack off to the ammo's

You idiot. 8 years of finishing in the bottom, you then give it some considerable thought.

 

[local footy fan]

You win 4 or 5 in a row by convincing margins, you play off in a finals series all of a sudden you go from having 50 people watching that grows by 150-200 people

While I agree about success breeds success your statement about crowds is way off the mark. Have you been to a d4 or d3 game in the ammos ?
I have and you would be lucky to get two men and a dog to a game to watch. one of the main reasons is there is no alcohol served during the game as the VAFA is a dry comp I know this is not the end all to be all but it does help bring in people and money game day .
Most of the seconds don't hang around to watch the seniors play ( home and away teams) especially at away games as most times its a fair way from home ,The under 19's don't play at the same ground as the seniors or reserves as it seen as a different comp by the VAFA .The lack of players hanging around after their game equals less sales in the canteen.
You might be competitive but your club struggles to get in any really dollars game day. I am not knocking the VAFA as it is a good comp I have been involved with a couple of clubs from d4 to d2 and really enjoyed my time there. Just wanted to let you know it's not all ways greener on the other side

 

[localfootywatch]

While I agree about success breeds success your statement about crowds is way off the mark. Have you been to a d4 or d3 game in the ammos ?
I have and you would be lucky to get two men and a dog to a game to watch. one of the main reasons is there is no alcohol served during the game as the VAFA is a dry comp I know this is not the end all to be all but it does help bring in people and money game day .
Most of the seconds don't hang around to watch the seniors play ( home and away teams) especially at away games as most times its a fair way from home ,The under 19's don't play at the same ground as the seniors or reserves as it seen as a different comp by the VAFA .The lack of players hanging around after their game equals less sales in the canteen.
You might be competitive but your club struggles to get in any really dollars game day. I am not knocking the VAFA as it is a good comp I have been involved with a couple of clubs from d4 to d2 and really enjoyed my time there. Just wanted to let you know it's not all ways greener on the other side

Yeah, that is true, to be honest I have only ever been to one D4 game and that was very early this year. Would have been 60 people there. I say that because Heidelberg West have not really had any success over the past 6-8 years, so my thoughts are if we are winning games, people come to watch and see some wins. The alcohol is no doubt a big money maker, it is probably where 50% of the money comes from, to be fair I am only guessing. If you love your club, love watching your club play, the ability to not drink while the game is on should not matter at all.

We may lose money, yes, but we save on player payments which I have no idea about. We have regular functions, who knows how money is made in the VAFA, I guess it is another new experience. If I was a president of any football club all I would want is to cover our yearly and others fees, cover our purchases, their bills, alcohol, food ect and come out even anything else is a real bonus. I understand how clubs like to make profits, dont get me wrong, but for me, being happy, having good people and everyone on the same page, paying their memberships, purchasing drinks after games at functions ect is more than enough.

 

[local footy fan]

Yeah, that is true, to be honest I have only ever been to one D4 game and that was very early this year. Would have been 60 people there. I say that because Heidelberg West have not really had any success over the past 6-8 years, so my thoughts are if we are winning games, people come to watch and see some wins. The alcohol is no doubt a big money maker, it is probably where 50% of the money comes from, to be fair I am only guessing. If you love your club, love watching your club play, the ability to not drink while the game is on should not matter at all.

We may lose money, yes, but we save on player payments which I have no idea about. We have regular functions, who knows how money is made in the VAFA, I guess it is another new experience. If I was a president of any football club all I would want is to cover our yearly and others fees, cover our purchases, their bills, alcohol, food ect and come out even anything else is a real bonus. I understand how clubs like to make profits, dont get me wrong, but for me, being happy, having good people and everyone on the same page, paying their memberships, purchasing drinks after games at functions ect is more than enough.

It is hard to make money in the lower sections of the ammo sure you have no match payments which helps but it's still hard to turn a buck so you break even for the year, in the ammos as you get fine for farting in the wrong direction.we used to pay from 5k up to 10k in fines for things as small one player with the wrong sock or shorts or being out form the room two mins late they were small fines but all add up at the end of the year. What happen to the train of thought of changing your club name from Heidelberg West to Warringal hawks? as i know this was being mooted by some commity members a few years back as Heidelberg West had bad conantations and players would baulk as soon as the club name was mentioned .not fair i know but that's the perception

 

[localfootywatch]

It is hard to make money in the lower sections of the ammo sure you have no match payments which helps but it's still hard to turn a buck so you break even for the year, in the ammos as you get fine for farting in the wrong direction.we used to pay from 5k up to 10k in fines for things as small one player with the wrong sock or shorts or being out form the room two mins late they were small fines but all add up at the end of the year. What happen to the train of thought of changing your club name from Heidelberg West to Warringal hawks? as i know this was being mooted by some commity members a few years back as Heidelberg West had bad conantations and players would baulk as soon as the club name was mentioned .not fair i know but that's the perception

Yeah, I have no idea of how money is made in most local footy. If you break even, is it really a bad thing? It is better than losing money.

Haha farting in the wrong way, seriously if you have a player wearing the wrong socks or shorts, surely they are missing a screw. Have somebody treat them like kids, inspect their uniforms. Can understand being late, it happens, fair enough to get a fine for that.

I have no idea it was ever happening, I have been away since 2012, I have however attended games and kept an eye on results.

I was thinking this while on a very very boring shift at work.

Change of name, change of competition, committee stay the same, by all reports and what I have seen they have been amazingly good, just the on field results have not been ideal. Hard to rebuild anything in life even more so a football club but with the committee members they have who work so hard and are so dedicated it would not be as hard.

I will put my hand up for anything to help make the transition across.

 

[Ease uP]

Yeah, I have no idea of how money is made in most local footy. If you break even, is it really a bad thing? It is better than losing money.

Haha farting in the wrong way, seriously if you have a player wearing the wrong socks or shorts, surely they are missing a screw. Have somebody treat them like kids, inspect their uniforms. Can understand being late, it happens, fair enough to get a fine for that.

I have no idea it was ever happening, I have been away since 2012, I have however attended games and kept an eye on results.

I was thinking this while on a very very boring shift at work.

Change of name, change of competition, committee stay the same, by all reports and what I have seen they have been amazingly good, just the on field results have not been ideal. Hard to rebuild anything in life even more so a football club but with the committee members they have who work so hard and are so dedicated it would not be as hard.

I will put my hand up for anything to help make the transition across.

Dead set you are a flog! are you getting commission for west to go to the ammo's??? They are a proud and happy club and if my memory serves me correct they have bailed out a few clubs over the years Watsonia and nth Heidelberg are two I can think of and have got and have not asked for anything back in return! You don't need to win to be successful!! When you and everyone else in the football world figure this out the better off YOUR life will be!! There's always a team that finishes on the bottom!

Btw how bout selling some tickets at the gate there's a start!

 

[localfootywatch]

Dead set you are a flog! are you getting commission for west to go to the ammo's??? They are a proud and happy club and if my memory serves me correct they have bailed out a few clubs over the years Watsonia and nth Heidelberg are two I can think of and have got and have not asked for anything back in return! You don't need to win to be successful!! When you and everyone else in the football world figure this out the better off YOUR life will be!! There's always a team that finishes on the bottom!

Btw how bout selling some tickets at the gate there's a start!

Is losing every week by 60 points successful? Cool.

 

[localfootywatch]

Actually what on earth does helping out clubs have to do with my suggestion of heading elsewhere?