2015 Draft Discussion

[Lace Out]

Do the academies now have an advantage over traditional footballing pathways in the footy States in terms of player development?

I wouldn't think so.

15 of the top 20 will be from footy states and would normally be 18 or 19/20

 

[Fatcat08]

Do the academies now have an advantage over traditional footballing pathways in the footy States in terms of player development?

Answering that would probably take a bit more knowledge of the resources at TAC Cup, WAFL Colts and SANFL under 18's clubs as far as access to coaches, performance staff etc which is something that I don't have. I tend to think that maybe with the academies those involved in them may have a bit better access to these things now than the other states. However they need to be when you're trying to make up a massive number shortfall as well as elite talent competition that we have up here. I guess this is the real reason the academies were set up in the first place. In order to make up for these deficiencies in talent numbers and quality, to get more draftable kids they need better resources than the other states. The downside of this may be that we see kids from these programs be better developed earlier, but perhaps don't have as much natural improvement as their careers go on due to the fact that they aren't the prime natural athletes from their age groups.

Hopefully the longer term benefit of them is that AFL does begin to lure more of those prime athletes from the talent pool, in which case this combined with better resources means that the numbers affect is almost cancelled out. Still thats a long term thing 15+ years I would imagine.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I wouldn't think so.

15 of the top 20 will be from footy states and would normally be 18 or 19/20

Except maybe now some academy players are seen as top five or ten rather than top 15 or 20. Small change perhaps but still a trend I think.

 

[dlanod]

Do the academies now have an advantage over traditional footballing pathways in the footy States in terms of player development?

Acknowledging WA is historically bad this year, here's the figures for top line talent based off the same Twomey mock draft POBT used.

Victoria: 12 players, 1 per 480,000 people.
South Australia: 2 players, 1 per 840,000 people.
Queensland: 2 players, 1 per 2.3 million people.
NSW: 3 players, 1 per 2.5 million people.
WA: 1 player, 1 per 2.5 million people.

Historically good years for NSW and Qld is equivalent to a single historically bad year for WA, and three times as bad as the next best state. I think there's some way to go yet before they're even equal.

 

[Fatcat08]

Acknowledging WA is historically bad this year, here's the figures for top line talent based off the same Twomey mock draft POBT used.

Victoria: 12 players, 1 per 480,000 people.
South Australia: 2 players, 1 per 840,000 people.
Queensland: 2 players, 1 per 2.3 million people.
NSW: 3 players, 1 per 2.5 million people.
WA: 1 player, 1 per 2.5 million people.

Historically good years for NSW and Qld is equivalent to a single historically bad year for WA, and three times as bad as the next best state. I think there's some way to go yet before they're even equal.

I guess it depends on whether you are looking at results or and advantage in actual resources. While the actual numbers will still be skewed a lot it would be interesting to see whether the academies are doing a better job when compared with the number playing the game at different levels. The strike rate of afl draftees per number of registered under 18 participants would be a very interesting number.

 

[whatboutbob]

I'm not as big as others on William. I think his ball use really lets him down at times, but does have some really nice attributes. I think if he has a future in the AFL its is as a forward/winger.

What do people see as his strengths besides his athleticism and ability to accumulate?

His linebreaking and general endeavour. Footskills definitely a concern but I think (hope) they can be fixed. Where normally I suspect he'd be a borderline ND/rookie prospect, I reckon the supposed relative shallowness of this draft and his late blooming pushes him up the boards.

 

[Len S]

His linebreaking and general endeavour. Footskills definitely a concern but I think (hope) they can be fixed. Where normally I suspect he'd be a borderline ND/rookie prospect, I reckon the supposed relative shallowness of this draft and his late blooming pushes him up the boards.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Did he play junior footy? If not then he may have a good chance of improving his skills from where they are now, particularly his kicking.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Len S I have seen a few times you quote a post but make no comment about it. Is this meant to be an extra big like? Just curious.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Hi guys, sorry to intrude (I come in peace) but I would like some opinion on the following:

Our board has been discussing PP and FA compensation regarding you guys wanting to take Schache who is expected to go at pick 2.

I think we can safely say that the AFL wont issue priority picks, but might be open to changing other rules if it gets them the outcome they (and you) desire. So here it is:

How about, AFL remove the games requirement for Father/Sons, but games played influences the discount:
- 0-50 Games - no discount, but first rights
- 50-100 Games - 10% discount
- 100-200 Games - 20% discount
- 200-300 Games - 50% discount - father was a loyal servant to the club
- 300+ Games - no draft picks required - instantly goes to the club where their father would be a legend.

Schache played 27 games for Fitzroy - therefore if we bid pick 2, Brisbane have to use pick 3 and slide down the order in the second round a little bit.

Interested in your thoughts.

 

[Len S]

His linebreaking and general endeavour. Footskills definitely a concern but I think (hope) they can be fixed. Where normally I suspect he'd be a borderline ND/rookie prospect, I reckon the supposed relative shallowness of this draft and his late blooming pushes him up the boards.

Agree. I saw him play twice at the state champs,and knew nothing about him prior.
The eye goes readily to him , first due to his line breaking, then his strength and athleticism....winning contests. I would think he could play a number of roles. There was distinct interest from other clubs. I would hate to lose him,or Wagner and Buzza as far as that goes.If losing average players like Redden and Aish helps to gain some real talent that bleeds maroon and blue ,GOOD.

 

[Len S]

Len S I have seen a few times you quote a post but make no comment about it. Is this meant to be an extra big like? Just curious.

Can't recall mate...possibly just a stuff up...or both !Sorry.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Hi guys, sorry to intrude (I come in peace) but I would like some opinion on the following:

Our board has been discussing PP and FA compensation regarding you guys wanting to take Schache who is expected to go at pick 2.

I think we can safely say that the AFL wont issue priority picks, but might be open to changing other rules if it gets them the outcome they (and you) desire. So here it is:

How about, AFL remove the games requirement for Father/Sons, but games played influences the discount:
- 0-50 Games - no discount, but first rights
- 50-100 Games - 10% discount
- 100-200 Games - 20% discount
- 200-300 Games - 50% discount - father was a loyal servant to the club
- 300+ Games - no draft picks required - instantly goes to the club where their father would be a legend.

Schache played 27 games for Fitzroy - therefore if we bid pick 2, Brisbane have to use pick 3 and slide down the order in the second round a little bit.

Interested in your thoughts.

Interesting but there is no way something like that would be proposed, debated and implemented in time for this year's trade period.

Pretty confident we will get Schache without such a major intervention.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Interesting but there is no way something like that would be proposed, debated and implemented in time for this year's trade period.

Pretty confident we will get Schache regardless.

They changed the rules not too long ago regarding FS now able to have a 1st and second preference where more than 1 club is eligible. The AFL have shown by changing the rules during the year that the offseason trade period and draft rules arent set yet (look at the Sydney trade ban). Maybe not probable, but in my opinion the best way to achieve their desired outcome that wouldnt put too many clubs offside - and in a year where they have overhauled the FS rules anyway.

 

[xplo]

I'm not as big as others on William. I think his ball use really lets him down at times, but does have some really nice attributes. I think if he has a future in the AFL its is as a forward/winger.

What do people see as his strengths besides his athleticism and ability to accumulate?

Just going from his video from the championships, it looks like Williams' kicking was a bit sketchy against NSW/ACT, but pretty good against NT. Rams are a better tackling and pressure side than NT.

Is that a general thing or is he just lacking a little bit of composure? I'm not sure myself.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

They changed the rules not too long ago regarding FS now able to have a 1st and second preference where more than 1 club is eligible. The AFL have shown by changing the rules during the year that the offseason trade period and draft rules arent set yet (look at the Sydney trade ban). Maybe not probable, but in my opinion the best way to achieve their desired outcome that wouldnt put too many clubs offside - and in a year where they have overhauled the FS rules anyway.

That's a tweak but what you've proposed would be a fundamental change and that won't happen for this year.

 

[Hollow Knight]

They changed the rules not too long ago regarding FS now able to have a 1st and second preference where more than 1 club is eligible. The AFL have shown by changing the rules during the year that the offseason trade period and draft rules arent set yet (look at the Sydney trade ban). Maybe not probable, but in my opinion the best way to achieve their desired outcome that wouldnt put too many clubs offside - and in a year where they have overhauled the FS rules anyway.

Still think your idea is very, very fanciful.

If you read which way the wind is blowing, it seems pretty clear that the first two picks in the draft will belong to Carlton and Brisbane. We will get our man.

 

[BrizzyBandit]

Still think your idea is very, very fanciful.

If you read which way the wind is blowing, it seems pretty clear that the first two picks in the draft will belong to Carlton and Brisbane. We will get our man.

Unless Carlton take Schache.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Unless Carlton take Schache.

They won't.

 

[jjami15]

They won't.

TBD, love your optimism and I'll follow your lead.

 

[SizeMatters]

They won't.

They could still come out and get pick 3 for Kruzer/PP combo like the Dees got for Frawley. Will we take a risk with Weitering? they could tell Weitering to tank his draft interviews... much like Wingod.

1: Schache
2: Francis
3: Weitering

 

[Hollow Knight]

They could still come out and get pick 3 for Kruzer/PP combo like the Dees got for Frawley.

Could, but won't.

 

[SizeMatters]

Could, but won't.

You are confident. Must have inside info so ill take your word for this.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I reckon Carlton will take Schache just to spite us.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I reckon Carlton will take Schache just to spite us.

As petty as it can get between fans, no club is petty enough to compromise pick 1 just to spite another. That would be beyond absurd.